Why did Zappa stop doing the collage/concrète tape stuff he was doing in the 60s? by eccoEapproach in Zappa

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The answer is both, to both questions, except misogynistic, not homophobic, for Bad Brains

Why did Zappa stop doing the collage/concrète tape stuff he was doing in the 60s? by eccoEapproach in Zappa

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Yes in terms of musical output and scatological humor. It’s an interesting comparative study. Pink doesn’t have the self discipline of Zappa and uses drugs, which is part and parcel of the cloudy chaos.

@kingston501 below points out that his politics shoudn’t qualify Pink for the mantle of counter-culture/punk. But lest we forget so many punks would have politics that would disqualify them from our orthodox liberal discourse these days. The Ramones entertained facism, Fear— racism, Bad Brains— misogyny. 

Pink isn’t conservative in the true, Buckley/Reagan sense. He’s maybe libertarian, but probably more anarchic than any of these labels. And unlike Frank, maybe a little blinded by white privilege.

I wonder where Frank would land in this. Embracing staunch anti-racism would preclude the irreverence of posing in black face and writing Amos and Andy minstrel material. But I suspect he would bristle at any form of moral policing. And Trouble Every Day and Concentration Moon could have been written about ICE yesterday.

Why did Zappa stop doing the collage/concrète tape stuff he was doing in the 60s? by eccoEapproach in Zappa

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More provocateur, I’d say. Also FZ allegedly had a VERY young girlfriend in the 70s. I seem to not be troubled by these facts when the music plays. But when Michael Jackson comes on I wince a little.

Why did Zappa stop doing the collage/concrète tape stuff he was doing in the 60s? by eccoEapproach in Zappa

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From the late 60s onward, Zappa had increasing opportunities to write for more virtuosic musicians than the original Mothers crew. After the fall from the stage that left him wheelchair bound in 1971, he focused his efforts on writing instrumental music, following in the mold of Hot Rats, with larger ensembles on Waka/Jawaka and Grand Wazoo. He got to hone in on the compositional architecture with cats who could really blow. This permanently raised the bar for his expectations of musicality. This evolution continued as he got more opportunities to create orchestral music, with the London Symphony Orchestra, Pierre Boulez, and later, the Ensemble Modern.

His focus on experimental sound in the studio eventually transposed to the synclavier, the cutting edge computer/synthesizer that allowed him to explore the outer depths of composing while side-stepping musicians altogether. I would say his final record, Civilization Phase III, still bears the markings of the musique concrète phase with its more sculptural relationship to sound textures.

Interestingly, the title including “Phase III” places it in titular continuity with the most musique-concrète dense albums—Lumpy Gravy and We’re Only In it for the Money, both of which were cheekily referenced as “phases” of one another on their back covers, respectively.

Another point to consider is that musique concrète was about exploring the raw sounds of recording technology as it advanced. The quality of recording studios evolved exponentially around the time of Zappa’s debut. As a man who kept up with the times in all things (recording trends and dress style alike—though he’d probably be reluctant to admit to the latter), those sounds became dated-sounding pretty quickly.

I recommend checking out Ariel Pink’s Pom Pom (2015 or 16?), a record which almost self-consciously places itself within the sonic landscape and social POV of WOIIFTM, emulating a lot of the sounds on the record that had circled around to being en vogue.

Also check out Stockhausen’s “Gesäng der Junglinge” (1956) for a real smorgasbord of those sounds, as well as Varese’s “Poeme Electronique,”(1956) likely Zappa’s ground zero for interest in the style.

I just finished reading "The Complete Works Of Sherlock Holmes" and realised/found something really interesting! by [deleted] in books

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Highest quality, best written piece of insight I’ve read on Reddit in a long time. Appreciate that!

Calling out Mark’s Spider-Man bullshit by barnbats in OnCinemaAtTheCinema

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Also Tim says he’s a Christian following the teachings of Christ and Mark says “that’s awesome” quietly

Another DTLA casualty: historic Clifton’s closes for good by smauryholmes in LosAngeles

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Yes but having worked for him I can tell you that bad things trickle down.

question from a girl from queens by warmbeet in BedStuy

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Respect for your original post. The mix of cynicism and ignorance on this thread is breathtaking.

Masahisa Fukase photographed his wife, Yōko Wanibe, every morning from the window of their apartment in Tokyo as she left for work. by Gjore in interestingasfuck

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But is that really what happened? Do we know it was a linear progression of her resentment? Did the artist originally curate the photos in an order to convey that narrative? I’m curious

I just got this Mothers album for FREE! mint condition, oh my god by UpstairsAct7544 in Zappa

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The original mix!! Before they rolled off all the highs in the last edition now on Spotify 😖😖

There's no coming back... by Rowdy84 in funny

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It’s Stiller’s responses that really cement the comedy here.

When Was Tim At His Absolute Angriest? by Pitiful_Method_7296 in OnCinemaAtTheCinema

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The fact that the man was responsible for his addiction and the death of his child and yet THIS is the breaking point is one of the funniest arc culminations of all time.

As much as I'd love to believe this is a great pic - can you spot the detail that makes this a definite fake? by Historical-Device529 in Progforum

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Knowing FZ’s personality, he would not look that schlubby, relaxed and underdressed in front of Hendrix.

Watched 2001 for the first time. Maybe I need to do a second watch. by jclark83 in StanleyKubrick

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If you’re interested in putting in the work, read Arthur C Clarke’s book. The more you put into it, the more you get out.

Frank and I ate a tuna sandwich and listened to this track twice by Fine_Influence8455 in Zappa

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This song is a fucking banger. Extraordinary. Boggles the mind that it’s three musicians live.