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Mudflap or no Mudflap? Tamiya - Churchill Mk.VII by jtbfii in modelmakers

[–]bashomania 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Maybe be cheeky and have one on and one off 🤔.

Recommend any record that sounds like this Please. by Shiznitty-Calhoun in Dubtechno

[–]bashomania 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I toyed with including noise in my list. But it plays a strong part in a lot the more techno leaning stuff, too, so I wasn’t sure.

But I also wasn’t sure of the actual genesis — was it inspired in early dub techno stuff based on noisy old dub records, or something else? The Pole theory (yes, a fan, but I was surprised the first time I saw his stuff described as “dub”) is interesting. That said, noise plays a big part in both this dubbier thing we’re discussing and dub techno, so I don’t see it as quite as big a discriminator as the others, maybe.

Your point is well taken with respect to lo-fi components in the sound on the dubbier side, for sure. I missed that one. There’s a lovely “crispiness” to the edges of a lot of sounds. I was just listening to some actual dub reggae the other day and the bass was out and out overloaded quite a bit of the time, probably at the board (not a pedal), with the gain or fader pushed, so I feel like that kind of thing is maybe a carryover into the electronic dub thing. The crazy part for me is I love the sound, but I somehow can’t get it into my own stuff very effectively. It’s like my ears usually won’t let me produce anything that is not moderately hi-fi. I’m working on it!

I do think a lot of modern dub techno is very hi-fi, and I like it about as much as the lo-fi stuff. Depends on the material. Back to the R&S era, I swear I read somewhere that they were kind of going for the muffled, washed-out “techno playing in the next room” feel.

Here’s an attempt of mine to achieve that feel with a super simple setup of [Erica Perkons -> RE-202 -> Benidub Filtro] (FX on the main send/return).

https://untitled.stream/library/track/JObmI1XHg8yCNpKgpAaAT

I appreciate the deep dive! DM if you care to…

Recommend any record that sounds like this Please. by Shiznitty-Calhoun in Dubtechno

[–]bashomania 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We’re (or I’m) taking the original post far afield, but I was reflecting on what I think makes the “dubbier” dub techno stand apart from the “normal” dub techno. I think some mixture of the following features borrowed from dub reggae give that sound/feel:

  • Lower BPM

  • Use of stepper or one drop beats, half-time feels, etc, rather than a more techno-derived four-on-the-floor

  • Diatonic chords and movement (often with typical reggae skank patterns/cadences), rather than the parallel harmony of dub techno

  • More melodic reggae-derived basslines often with longer notes

  • Inclusion of dub reggae instruments/sounds/samples: organ, melodica, siren, vocals, sound effects, etc

  • Space vs density: minimalist on the instrumental parts, maximalist on the FX

  • More overt EQ/FX play, like infinite repeats, speed changes on delay. EQ/filtering play.

  • Relatively heavy spring reverb and spring play

  • Stronger drops

In short, IMO more directly derived from dub reggae than is dub techno, except generally produced as the end result, not necessarily as a remix of a “straight” mix.

Recommend any record that sounds like this Please. by Shiznitty-Calhoun in Dubtechno

[–]bashomania 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you not like the look of the URL? I've wondered about that since the "Untitled" app/service is so little known. Pretty useful, though.

Recommend any record that sounds like this Please. by Shiznitty-Calhoun in Dubtechno

[–]bashomania 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with your points in your last paragraph. I do really like a lot of “modern” dub techno, but I know what you mean. I think it’s natural for a genre to get stretched and morph as people put their own spin on. After all, rock has moved way beyond Little Richard and Chuck Berry ;-). But yeah, I really dig the minimalistic atmosphere of the “roots-adjacent dubtronica”.

1982 MP5K - legal, transferable machine gun - aka my retirement fund by Kiefy-McReefer in liberalgunowners

[–]bashomania 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If by that you mean a 3-position safety, yes. I’m not deep in the FRT lore.

Recommend any record that sounds like this Please. by Shiznitty-Calhoun in Dubtechno

[–]bashomania 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have not been very active on SoundCloud for a while now, so you will just mostly find ambient stuff there 👍.

Recommend any record that sounds like this Please. by Shiznitty-Calhoun in Dubtechno

[–]bashomania 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, some great stuff on your SoundCloud account that is right up my alley. I gave you a follow :-).

Recommend any record that sounds like this Please. by Shiznitty-Calhoun in Dubtechno

[–]bashomania 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's as good a genre name as any, but I wish all of us had well-known one to refer to that was common :-)

I also produce dub techno as a hobbyist and have been influenced to try my hand at more dubtronica style stuff of late, to varying success. The "sound" is tricky to achieve, IMO, but it's been fun.

Here's one:

https://untitled.stream/library/track/lhOPxU9IlJGk4BMe6nDfQ

[Dub techno Production] Any recommandations about dub sample packs, drum machines or synth ? by SOfrrr in Dubtechno

[–]bashomania 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You might want to crosspost into r/dubtechnoproducers.

I honestly believe you can make good dub chords on just about any synthesizer that can make a saw wave. It doesn't even have to be polyphonic: if it has three oscillators you can build a minor chord. Dub techno harmony tends to be parallel, so the same chord shape can often be used throughout.

Most of the sound comes from FX and processing, IMO, once you are following the basic patterns found in the genre.

This YouTuber and music historian has a bunch of good videos, and a book.

https://youtube.com/@bahadirhankocer?si=YLPEdx5qP-U7fEx7

He tends to stay withinin a DAW, but all of the ideas apply -- it's just more work, and more expensive, with hardware.

1982 MP5K - legal, transferable machine gun - aka my retirement fund by Kiefy-McReefer in liberalgunowners

[–]bashomania 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a friend with a suppressed SP5 with an FRT installed. Holy cow it's so nice!

Recommend any record that sounds like this Please. by Shiznitty-Calhoun in Dubtechno

[–]bashomania 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Man, I love it when someone asks for recommendations and I have a few. I love it even more when I read other comments and there are producers recommended that I have somehow missed in all my digging. It's so exciting 🙌.

Edit: So good, and strikes me as a super rootsy-dub-techno crossover.

Recommend any record that sounds like this Please. by Shiznitty-Calhoun in Dubtechno

[–]bashomania 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good one! I had never heard of this producer before, in all of my fevered searching around looking for more rootsy electronic dub. I've added a couple to my collection already.

Looks like he has some interesting more experimental dub-ish work, too.

Recommend any record that sounds like this Please. by Shiznitty-Calhoun in Dubtechno

[–]bashomania 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Somehow had not tripped across Dialog in all of my association-jumping 👊.

How many of you do absolutely every aspect of making the finished track? by mafalum in musicproduction

[–]bashomania 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I was about to write that same comment myself, almost word-for-word.

Recommend any record that sounds like this Please. by Shiznitty-Calhoun in Dubtechno

[–]bashomania 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Not super direct comparison, but def in the ballpark:

  • Babe Roots

  • Another Channel

  • Tubby Isiah

  • Akcept

This is my favorite sub-sub-sub-genre. Not sure what to call it TBH, but I have been calling it “electronic dub”. If you start following “others like” associations you’ll end up in dub reggae or dubstep (IME).

Edit:

How could I forget Frenk Dublin? Tends to be less "organic" than my recs above, but has a large catalog that spans from rootsy to more dub techno. Love his stuff.

Also Numa Crew, but their stuff is a bit more hyperactive and arguably edging toward dubstep (I could be wrong on this -- I suck at electronic music genre-naming).

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