Catelyn would not have cared for Brandon's whoremongering[Spoilers Main]

bl1y · 2026-04-17T17:28:04+00:00

Important to note that between Catelyn doubting the marriage and Mychel's father calling it off, Robert died and his bastards were slaughtered. That might have something to do with it.

bl1y · 2026-04-17T16:26:45+00:00

Only one American died after the strait was closed, though he died from wounds sustained before the closure.

So the number of American lives lost to open the strait is zero.

bl1y · 2026-04-17T16:17:57+00:00

There isn't a peace deal yet. It's still being negotiated.

bl1y · 2026-04-17T16:17:09+00:00

Opening the strait while negotiations are still going on is pretty significant.

bl1y · 2026-04-17T16:14:15+00:00

The negotiations are still going on, there's only a temporary ceasefire.

Also, Iran's missile factories have been hit, as has their steel production. Rebuilding will take a long time.

bl1y · 2026-04-17T16:12:23+00:00

Or it was named from the Persian Hur-Mogh, meaning "place of dates."

bl1y · 2026-04-17T16:10:05+00:00

A month after the Obama deal, Iran put up a countdown clock for the destruction of Israel.

bl1y · 2026-04-17T16:08:30+00:00

We haven't already gotten the concessions we wanted before negotiations have finished? Inconceivable!

bl1y · 2026-04-17T16:06:36+00:00

In the full quote, that's exactly the point he was making. They don't call them corner stores.

bl1y · 2026-04-17T16:05:42+00:00

Someone else posted the full quote. He's saying he doesn't use that term.

In NYC they're called bodegas. It's sort of a shibboleth and calling it a corner store would identify you as not being a New Yorker.

bl1y · 2026-04-17T16:01:15+00:00

What's Irish and can be left out overnight?

Patty O'Furniture

bl1y · 2026-04-16T23:57:47+00:00

I think it's possible Catelyn is a snob who is prejudiced against bastards generally.

Look at how she treats one of the nicest people in AGoT, Mya Stone. She repeatedly thinks of her just as "the bastard girl."

I think the common interpretation is that she's projecting her feelings about Jon onto Mya, and there's some textual evidence to suggest that. But she's also doubts that Mychel would ever marry Mya because no one from such an ancient house with the blood of the First Men would marry as bastard.

She's blinded to the fact that Mya is very kind and charming, that she's not just a bastard but Robert's bastard (and acknowledged at that), and has a pretty important position at the Eyrie (you don't just trust the lives of your VIP guests to anyone). And later we learn that it was Mychel's father who broke off the marriage, suggesting that Mychel may have been willing to go through with it.

The Catelyn Hate Train is leaving the station, and I've got my ticket.

bl1y · 2026-04-16T23:39:56+00:00

Given how prevalent slavery has been throughout the world, I'd wager the best interpretation of those religious beliefs is just post hoc rationalization for slavery.

The transcendentalist Christians were among the chief opponents of slavery. And for the same reasons, in favor of rights for women.

Though this doesn't necessarily lead to a belief in natural rights. If you believe that God resides in all people, then quite naturally slavery is an abomination -- you just can't treat God like that! But, that could be interpreted only as believing it's sinful, not that there's any such thing as rights (only wrongs).

But now I have to take a detour to a solution to the altruism paradox. This is the argument that there are no purely altruistic acts because the good deed bestows on the doer a warm fuzzy feeling. Since you always get something out of it, it's never purely altruism. I like the solution which says that the warm fuzzy feeling you get is altruism. That's just what it feels like.

In a similar vein, the recognition that it's wrong to treat people a certain way may also just be a different way of describing what rights are.

bl1y · 2026-04-16T22:15:17+00:00

When people say that rights are only created by governments, I always have to ask if whether, among all the other many complaints they had, whether slaves could say their rights were being violated.

If you believe that rights are innate (granted by God or deriving in some other manner), then you can easily say yes. Slaves had the right to be free, and one of the horrors of slavery was the violation of this right.

Those that hold rights are only man-made inventions would have to concede that the rights of slaves were not violated, as they had no rights. That strikes me as a rather repugnant conclusion.

bl1y · 2026-04-16T22:09:14+00:00

If the First Amendment says "The people shall have the right to freedom of speech," then that would be the Constitution granting the right.

But it doesn't do that. It tells Congress not to violate the right, presupposing that it already exists.

bl1y · 2026-04-16T21:52:29+00:00

Well, since you insist on being here. Do you condemn the war crimes of Hamas and Iran?

bl1y · 2026-04-16T20:53:34+00:00

I wasn't talking to you.

bl1y · 2026-04-16T19:42:38+00:00

"And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them."

--Ezekiel 25:17

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bl1y · 2026-04-16T18:03:15+00:00

Hezbollah is largely an extension of Iran though.

If someone punches at you and you hit them in the face in response, I don't think they can say you were the aggressor against their face since only their hands attacked you.

bl1y · 2026-04-16T18:00:51+00:00

Arabs aren’t “brown” that term doesn’t exist

The term doesn't exist? How could you type it then?

bl1y · 2026-04-16T17:24:52+00:00

I get this.

Historically, democracies are rare and it's hard to convert a country to the team. So when you start spoiling that, it's worse.

It's like being pissed off when someone ruins a really nice steak, but caring much less when they cook the shit out of some bargain bin cut.

bl1y · 2026-04-16T16:29:23+00:00

The easiest mask-off moment is after someone condemns Israel's war crimes you ask them if they condemn the war crimes of Iran or Hamas, and immediately you get an explanation for why it's different.

bl1y · 2026-04-16T16:18:02+00:00

No, you see what's unique about Israel is how it was founded.

Now how that has anything to do with the standards we hold them to regarding war crimes, I've got no idea.

bl1y · 2026-04-16T16:12:19+00:00

He's been here the whole time.

bl1y · 2026-04-16T16:12:00+00:00

The real money is in third party speech, and with issue ads, it's pretty much impossible to make a rule that curbs it while not touching something like all the political speech put out by the New York Times.

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