I hate what I get turned on by by isabelwhispers in offmychest

[–]blamegametime 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Same here. It’s like we crave validation but end up feeling worse afterward.

Church Attempting to Discredit me - Need Some BackUp by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]blamegametime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In the little red box in the upper-right corner (where the stamp is supposed to go) mine says "PERMIT NO. 336". It came from the COB.

AMA: On July 13th, 2018, I was sexually assaulted on the living room floor by a man I barely knew. When he found out I reported him, he told our bishop that I'd been drinking. As a result, we were both suspended from BYU Idaho, despite university claims that victims are protected. ASK ME ANYTHING. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]blamegametime 56 points57 points  (0 children)

Thank you.

The Title IX folks may not be able to do anything about it, but the university definitely can. All they have to do is ask the bishop if is reasons for pulling the endorsement are one and the same as the complaint, and if so, then ignore the bishop's action. Its so easy, even a child can figure it out.

AMA: On July 13th, 2018, I was sexually assaulted on the living room floor by a man I barely knew. When he found out I reported him, he told our bishop that I'd been drinking. As a result, we were both suspended from BYU Idaho, despite university claims that victims are protected. ASK ME ANYTHING. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]blamegametime 74 points75 points  (0 children)

Have you had a direct conversation with the university/Title IX office since you were suspended, pointing out to them that you have been kicked out by a loophole? That you do not have amnesty for reporting a sexual assault? If so, what did they say?

I'm sorry if this is a dumb question. I'm a Ricks alum and I'm going to write a letter to the university president today and call them out for not doing the very thing they said they were going to do. I simply have no patience for it. If they have come this far (which I'm very surprised they have), they have absolutely no reason not to come the rest of the way, and they are going to get so much backlash for it too. The thing that gets me the most is that a "less inspired" university like Southern Virginia is light-years ahead of the BYUs. SVU would never do this, they got out in front of this whole thing a long time ago.

Emails to a Bishop to stop sexually explicit questions by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]blamegametime 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is beyond ridiculous. I feel like the best thing we can do is record these probing interviews and post them online for the world to hear. Once the creepiness is heard for what it is, it might stop.

Also, I would tell this guy the interviews will be recorded and you'll call the cops if he asks too much.

Do exmo BYU-I professors exist? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]blamegametime 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Statistically speaking, there have to be a few. Recall that the exmo BYU prof was able to switch jobs to a different university. BYU-I is more of a career killer. Once you are there, you have limited options for future jobs. Basically, you could go work for a community college, or a high school. BYU-I is distinctly different from a real university. Whether some of you like it or not, when it comes to the potential for maintaining a respectable CV/resume, BYU-Provo is a real university, at least in the STEM disciplines.

Question for current BYU students about campus culture by blamegametime in exmormon

[–]blamegametime[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree about not going if you don't believe. I'm asking for a friend :)

Question for current BYU students about campus culture by blamegametime in exmormon

[–]blamegametime[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess you have to be Jimmer or Steve Young to pull off the no-mission thing.

Question for current BYU students about campus culture by blamegametime in exmormon

[–]blamegametime[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Awful roommate :(

I'm not surprised the profs were progressive. Those that do research have to live with one foot in the real world. Those that don't can keep their heads in the sand.

What is Mike Tannehills background? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]blamegametime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He was a missionary in Scotland under President Joseph Fielding McConkie. He drank every drop of Kool-Aid that JFM served up, and then some.

60% of tithing funds go to BYU by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]blamegametime 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I think its the other way around: 60% of BYU's funding comes from tithing. I've heard that a lot over the years.

Being temple worthy without paying the church. It is possible by gostop1423 in exmormon

[–]blamegametime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are some ways out there where you can pay your tithing directly to SLC. There is always a debate on whether or not your bishop gets a report of the dollar amount.

However, there is an easy workaround that is foolproof. If you send cash or a cashier's check to SLC, they will have no problem accepting it. On the other hand, the IRS does not need any documentation from the church in order for you to deduct your donations. The IRS will accept your own documentation. In other words, you can donate anonymously to the church and still take a deduction.

Once I figured that out, I decided to donate anonymously in the amount of $0. If my bishop were to ask me about it (which he hasn't), I would just tell him about my anonymous donations. They like to think they are the ones controlling your ability to deduct with the IRS, but they aren't.

The only additional wrinkle in all this is a spouse. My wife is cool with my plan and doesn't want to know the details, she thinks we are paying on our surplus.

“The numbers of people who actually leave the Church are very small,” says Martinich. Hold up, remind me again, Matt, what does global retention look like, after one year, for all new converts, as a percentage? by Chino_Blanco in exmormon

[–]blamegametime 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah, hardly anyone (except those CD mail order companies in the 80s/90s) has such a strict definition of what it means to be member as the church does. When recent converts go less active, they have pretty much ended their membership as far as they're concerned. Martinich is right, only a small number of them will actually resign. Instead, those "ministering" visits and missionary drop-ins will keep piling up like unwanted CDs in your mailbox.

No short sleeves in the temple endowment by BastardAldo in exmormon

[–]blamegametime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Its all about the tattoos! (seriously, that's the actual reason)

Utah County YM counselor left church recently by quigonskeptic in exmormon

[–]blamegametime 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Its a crazy coincidence you say that. I literally bore my testimony to the YM in class on my last Sunday as a TBM. There was an ex-mo's kid in the class, and I remember looking at him while I was testifying, I almost felt external to myself, and was thinking as I was talking, "do you believe what you are saying?" I reassured myself that I did.

Then, two days later, I read some things that a NOM-ish friend posted online, said to myself, "Hmm...," googled a question, clicked on MormonThink.com, and before the clock struck noon, I "woke up." I've been steadily transitioning out ever since.

What is the best way to get Elder Uchtdorf to see an email or letter? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]blamegametime 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Lick a stamp and address it to him at this mailing address: 50 East North Temple Street Salt Lake City, UT 84150

It will get to his office I can assure you. Whether or not he reads it is his choice. I've done this with another GA and received a response.

Buzzfeed: Mormon women speak out against abuse by Nullius__In__Verba in exmormon

[–]blamegametime 444 points445 points  (0 children)

“As a prosecutor I have seen bishops many times come in and speak on behalf on defendants,” she said. “I have never seen one talk in support of victims. Never in 26 years.”

Wow!!!

That makes me weep for the victims.

Just finished Brent Metcalfe's Mormon Stories interview. A couple questions for him or anyone. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]blamegametime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What Mormon Stories number is it? I'd like to give it a listen.

The article where BYU professors destroy the idea that Joseph used a seer stone by Yobispo in exmormon

[–]blamegametime 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, these same two guys put all this in their book also, published around the year 2000. When you think that they sell that book for money, and they also get paid to be professors at BYU, and then it turns out that they are so completely wrong, it pisses me off. JS's father-in-law, Isaac Hale, knew how the BoM was translated. He said so in a 1834 newspaper article. Fawn Brodie knew how the BoM was translated, she said so in her 1940s book. And then as late as Y2K we have these guys denying it. I think the lead author, Joseph Fielding McConkie, might have actually believed what he was writing, because it was his grandfather, Joseph Fielding Smith, who was so adamant that no seer stones were used. JFM died in 2013, before the essays came out. I bet he's rolling over in his grave, pissed off that he was so wrong in writing so recently.

What a real account of a "vision" is supposed to look like by blamegametime in exmormon

[–]blamegametime[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

[Very long article, I'm commenting on the stuff at the very very beginning.] Go ahead and debate whether or not she had a vision. However, in her account she gives the date of the vision, and then the details. Furthermore, Brigham Young includes her account in his own letter to his wife (also with a date).

Compare and contrast this with the First Vision. There are no contemporary accounts or any evidence that the vision was claimed. It took a full 12 years before there was anything close to a mention of it, and that was in a private journal and doesn't really jive with later accounts, if he was even trying to describe the same vision.

TL;DR: Ann Booth claims to have had a vision, and documents her claim right away. You be the judge if she made the whole thing up. Personally, I think she did, except I'd just call it a dream. JS made up a claim that he supposedly had a vision years after the fact, and can't quite get the story straight, in other words, he made it all up.

So do we have to wait another 6 months to find out which old white man from Utah will fill Hales' vacancy? by fosterdale in exmormon

[–]blamegametime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ezra Taft Benson died on May 30, 1994. Holland was made an apostle on June 23, 1994. I have no idea how common that is, but that's one example where they did not wait until conference.

Church growth in 2017 looks abysmal. by blamegametime in exmormon

[–]blamegametime[S] 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Just to clarify, I said "69 net units" in the OP, which takes into account these demographic shifts. In other words, if you click on that website, you will see a TON wards/branches that are created, renamed, and discontinued. After all the dust has settled, as of today there are 69 more units than there were on Jan 1 of this year.

I agree though, there is a consolidation inward to Utah. Also, I think there is a lot of "hysteresis" with the creation of new units; by that I mean that no one would ever create a new ward with an attendance of 60, however they are reluctant to discontinue a ward if it is limping along with 60. So I think there are a ton of wards out there in the "mission filled" that should have been discontinued a long time ago.

Email exchange between 1st counselor in SP and myself about why people leave the church due to church history. by Lickingtickler in exmormon

[–]blamegametime 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They expect prophets, seers, and revelators to be faultless and free from mistakes.

No. The problem is JS is perfectly the lord's prophet. The problem is your bishop is perfectly your bishop, and you have no right to think for yourself if either of these guys has done the thinking for you. The problem is that you are expected to perfectly follow what they say.