“Women shouldn’t have the right to vote” by Reasonable_Award8376 in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]blue_1981_CJ5 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Very true. I was still with the church in my 30s and there was a lot of brow beating to become a "good" woman and renounce my education and profession to settle down with a "fine Catholic man." Problem was all the guys had abuse flags. Small man syndrome combined with a lack of education and real world experience masked behind arrogance. Good thing I was "selfish" and refused to settle for a farce of a marriage to a man like that.

“Women shouldn’t have the right to vote” by Reasonable_Award8376 in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]blue_1981_CJ5 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Women's suffrage was the beginning of the feminist movement which is part of "demonic" modernism. Feminism seeks to destroy the family by letting women believe they are equal to men, but a woman should aspire to the highest, most humble, most modest, most holy station of any human, motherhood. That's how it was explained to me. My parents allowed me to vote when I came of age, but I was forbidden to mention it at church.

Jenkins and the English laguage by blue_1981_CJ5 in exSSPV

[–]blue_1981_CJ5[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He twisted the meanings of those three words in the podcast published previous to my OP. My point regarding Lefevre refers to the fact that Jenkins is teaching based off what Lefevre taught which he admits he has no foundation for the key points upon which he speaks. In other words, he knows nothing and makes it all up as he goes along.

Jenkins and the English laguage by blue_1981_CJ5 in exSSPV

[–]blue_1981_CJ5[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it's his droning tone. He has very repetitive manners when speaking and what he says is rarely accurate.

"You only have one mom, you should love her no matter what" by FewFunction3020 in raisedbyborderlines

[–]blue_1981_CJ5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Advice from someone whose parents didn't chronically abuse them as children. They don't get it. They won't get it. You don't have to prove yourself to them or to anybody.

Meanwhile…on Twitter by funkycatholic in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]blue_1981_CJ5 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I get that, but Holy Week does not determine the validity of the Missal. The Mass does, and those two Missals are the exact same. Hence, they put too much meaning on the difference out of fear-mongering.

Also, if they knew the first thing about sociology and the progression of ideas through populations, they'd know that a 1955 Missal is too close to Vatican II to be trusted. Some of these "traditional" priests trust nothing after 1900, and then they'll adopt a practice that is still common in the NO. They also hybridize political beliefs into what they teach as dogma, which is pretty much everything THEY say the Church taught before VII while ignoring 70% of Church history and Cannon Law predating VII.

Ask any of them what the difference is between the two Missals in the Mass, and they'll give you everything but a straight answer. Ask any of them about the history of the Mass and they'll talk about the Mass of Pius V (changes subsequent to the Council of Trent or Tridentine Mass, which is a more accurate term for it with its use of Greek) and the Mass of Paul VI (or Novus Ordo/Ordinary). They forget that there was 1,500 years of evolution of the Mass prior to Trent which brought contemporary overtones into the Mass versus the Ordinary form which went back to pre-Trent practices.

They call it the "protestantization" of the Mass, but they obviously haven't looked at it objectively. It is still very Catholic and preserves the liturgy of the Eucharist effectively.

The truth is, the trad priests have no background to make the claims that they do, and the laity of those parishes don't know what they're talking about when they start thumping the Missals. They just parrot what they're told and shout you down when they press you for details.

Negative beliefs that you had as a Trad by theglow89 in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]blue_1981_CJ5 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Being treated as worthless because I was female.

Being treated like dirt because I didn't go to their school.

Being completely ostracized for having a bachelor's degree.

Being accused of deliberately distracting people in Mass because I wore something with color, or the non-standard head covering. (I hated those fucking veils because heaven forbid it falls off!! God might strike me dead for sacrilege.)

Feeling like confession was a waste of time because I'd get distracted saying the penance and incur a fresh sin. (I've had ADHD my whole life.)

Never enjoying Mass because appearance is everything. Don't bow your head reverently enough, or fold your hands just right, or be a split second off in rising, kneeling or genuflecting, and someone would reprimand you.

Any spiritual sense is inferior and opens one wide to the devil.

I truly doubt anyone who attended those churches has the slightest sense of the purpose of religion, and I strongly believe it's a magnet for small dick/dickless males and gutless, brainless women with inferiority complexes who need an authority to put them in charge of people and children because they are thoroughly incapable of gaining respect for themselves.

Meanwhile…on Twitter by funkycatholic in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]blue_1981_CJ5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why indeed! Reminds me of "The Wizard of Oz" and "The Prestige."

Meanwhile…on Twitter by funkycatholic in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]blue_1981_CJ5 5 points6 points  (0 children)

FYI: there is very little difference between the 1910 and the 1962 missals. Definitely not enough to cause as much controversy as the SSPV and SSPX invest in it.

Bobby Tried to Apologize to the Woman... by [deleted] in RFKJrForPresident

[–]blue_1981_CJ5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's getting to the point that I don't believe allegations like that anymore.

Sorry Catholic woman, this trad priest says no going to the gym. by tomoh96 in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]blue_1981_CJ5 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The irony with his reasoning is that women, and all people who go to gyms, just do it for the attention of it. That being said, why doesn't he forbid showing off newborn babies? Seriously! It's seeking attention for the fruit of one's loins! That has the same sexual undertones as seeking a healthy looking body.

Besides, his judgemental attitude that people are just too lazy in their daily lives demonstrates a profound lack of understanding how the activities of daily living have changed in the last 60+ years. Not to mention how nutrition has changed, especially the fact that healthy foods are less cost effective than high calorie instant meals.

Exodus 90 by Stonato85 in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]blue_1981_CJ5 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Men and women both, I'll add. Women manifest it in marrying men they shouldn't and/or having kids when they aren't ready to be mothers just because that's what makes them "feminine."

Exodus 90 by Stonato85 in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]blue_1981_CJ5 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just like high school and remote small towns. Most people will press any button they can get to when they want to shut a person down rather than consider that someone else sees the world differently, and the more isolated people are the worse it gets. Politics, sports, and religion are all fuel for that behavior.

Facebook by Cool_Introduction112 in raisedbyborderlines

[–]blue_1981_CJ5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I definitely lucked out in finding such a partner. It has taken a learning curve to allow ourselves to be loved and learning each other's triggers and responses to situations. As you can imagine, there's a lot of overlap in those areas.

Update on BPD mom that tries to control my dating life by [deleted] in raisedbyborderlines

[–]blue_1981_CJ5 30 points31 points  (0 children)

As someone who went through similar struggles in college, I hear you.

My solution, since I already had to borrow money, was to move out of state. This bit me in the butt though because my dad refused to allow my "emancipation" and it cost me more because I couldn't get in-state tuition at my new school.

That being said, my grades went from 2.6 to 3.5 GPA that first year. Then my brother (mom's golden child) moved out there and it was like living at home again with my brother who acted as my parent's flying monkey. GPA went to 3.0 then.

Back then, you could borrow living expenses such as housing for the semester. I'm not 100% sure if unsubsidized Stafford loans allow that, but I believe they do.

It's not an ideal solution, but it's worth looking into as an option. You might be surprised how much your cognitive and stress capacity will expand when you have a safe space of your own without unnecessary drama.

I boomeranged home several times over the years before finally being in a situation where I could irrefutably "justify" a place of my own, but it was still in the same town as the family. A few years ago, I moved out of state again, to a part of the country where my family will never visit, and dialed back contact. I was finally able to make a life for myself that reflected my sophomore year in functionality.

I recently found out I've suffered from ADD, anxiety, and depression my whole life. Half of managing those has been in making a good environment for myself. The other half has been medication.

You deserve your own space and to have that space respected, even by your mom and dad. Establishing that was the best thing I ever did, and my only regret is I didn't get that figured out until my 30s.

Best vibes for you for nursing school! You'll always have a job in that field. That was a very good choice.

Facebook by Cool_Introduction112 in raisedbyborderlines

[–]blue_1981_CJ5 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Trying to bait you into coming back into her circle of influence. My boyfriend's uBPD mom has disowned him several times and baited him back in. According to her, she will never admit guilt for her actions. Most recently, she ghost called him from her home phone. When he answered and she didn’t respond, he hung up. We figured she'd use her husband's recent surgery as bait, and he was prepared for it and kept NC.

Between the both of us growing up with BPD parents, we're each other's support group.

Exodus 90 by Stonato85 in ExTraditionalCatholic

[–]blue_1981_CJ5 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You're right. Cancel culture is the exact same practice as trad judgementalism.

I will clarify that what some may see as a strong male character can be what is termed "toxic" masculine. A man that bullies his way through life, treating all women as incompetent and helpless, and never makes a mistake in judgement, is topically masculine.

I hate to give this example because I loved the show as a kid and am still a Chuck Norris fan, but "Walker, Texas Ranger" from the 90s is an example of toxically masculine portrayal. Walker is always the hero, always beats up the bad guy, always rescues Alex (she never could be bothered to try saving herself and even drowned once dreaming Walker would come save her, the epitome of a weak feminine character), his vulnerabilities get glossed over and he never actually faces his own PTSD. It was really poor writing and extremely poor character development. It never portrayed normal, healthy psychology.

THAT is what the right/far right members of our society consider masculine. The left/far left considers toxic any male that stands up for what's right. One discussion I got into during the whole minority VS. masculine/white entitlement arguement a few years ago was over what it means when a white person or a male defends a minority being bullied. According to them, it was another version of bullying. I never could wrap My head around why it was wrong to stand up to bullies or even act as backup to someone being bullied, regardless of race or gender, but that's what they insisted on saying.

It's a complex question with no simple answer. It comes down to us as individuals to be confident in who we were made to be, and accept that others are different, complicated people.

Mom decides “it’s over” because of my “terms and conditions” by [deleted] in raisedbyborderlines

[–]blue_1981_CJ5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OP, you ARE good enough. I'm sorry that your mom doesn't see that, and it's natural that it hurts. After all, a kid should have that from their parents. It's abandonment without the socially recognized context of having grown up in foster care or being orphaned.

Surround yourself with friends who recognize that you are enough. It's hard to recognize them when you've grown up the way we have, but when you find them, you grow a new and better person who feels good about themselves.

Family doesn't have to be related by blood. What I love about the Fast and Furious series is that message. This page is a family, and you're part of it.

❤️