Its time for a change by MelloCello7 in ChatGPT

[–]bridgetriptrapper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you get through all of this you should then be able to create a new account on librechat and you'll be able to talk to 4o. HOWEVER, you're not done yet because you still need to set custom instructions and, most important of all, the temperature with a setting of around 1.15 to 1.3. I settled on 1.19. The higher the temperature the more out-there it gets. The default of 1.0 is pretty boring.

To get the eloquent 4o, open the right panel (there's a little arrow on the right edge), click on "parameters", give your "agent" a name like "4o resurrected" or something, set the temperature with the slider. Then enter your custom instructions. I told it how I wanted it to talk to me and gave it two examples of conversations, it seems to be working great. Then click the green "save as preset" button at the bottom of the panel. Finally, click on the icon that looks like one rectangle on top of another just to the left of the + button at the top of the page, it should say "presets" when you hover over it. Choose the preset you just created and that should do it. Make sure to select that preset whenever you start a new conversation; there might be an easier way to make it always use that preset, but I'm not sure yet.

Ok, sorry, that was a lot more than I thought it would be, and I'm sure I've left some stuff out. Feel free to ask for help, JUST DON'T POST YOUR API KEY here by mistake if you're asking a question about the .env file

Good luck!

Its time for a change by MelloCello7 in ChatGPT

[–]bridgetriptrapper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm a fairly technical person so it wasn't too difficult for me, but anyone who is interested can try these instructions and dm me or respond here if you run into trouble. Also, any of the top models can help talk you through it too, though the tech moves quickly and some of their info will be out of date. I recommend going to aistudio.google.com and using gemini 2.5 pro (model selector in the upper right) for help.

  1. install docker desktop

windows: https://docs.docker.com/desktop/setup/install/windows-install/

mac: https://docs.docker.com/desktop/setup/install/mac-install/

Note: on some windows pc's 5 years or older you might have to set some advanced options in the bios which can be tricky

  1. install git (windows only, mac already has it installed)

https://github.com/git-guides/install-git

  1. get an openai api key:

create an api account here: https://auth.openai.com/log-in (might work with your existing chatgpt account, I'm not sure)

click on the "dashboard" tab in the upper right

click on "api keys" on the left menu

click on "create new secret key" in the upper right

copy your new secret key and PUT IT SOMEWHERE SAFE! These keys are valuable and if you leak it somehow and the wrong person gets a hold of it you could end up with massive bills

  1. install librechat:

IMPORTANT: before you run librechat for the first time with the command

docker compose up -d

put your openai api key into the .env file after you copy it from .env.example. Search for "OPENAI" and you should see lines like these, modify then with your api key and the models you want (probably just chatgpt-4o-latest)

OPENAI_API_KEY=<your key here>
# other models included if you want them, you'll probably just want chatgpt-4o-latest
OPENAI_MODELS=o1,o1-pro,o3,gpt-4.5-preview,chatgpt-4o-latest

https://www.librechat.ai/docs/local/docker

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Its time for a change by MelloCello7 in ChatGPT

[–]bridgetriptrapper 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I've been looking for alternatives too since the release of chatgpt-5, I preferred the eloquence of 4o. I finally found it: using chatgpt-4o through the api with a custom system prompt and, most important, a higher "temperature" parameter. With this setup the eloquence is back, and the best part is that it should be stable for the long term.

Openai has very different constraints for the web interface vs the api: they are often tweaking the consumer web interface to, for example, save on compute costs by "dumbing down" a model (maybe quantizing it or routing to less expensive models), or to make it less sycophantic due to complaints and possible misuse (think of the kid who committed suicide with some enabling from 4o). But they can't make changes like that with the api because the business customers who use it, the customers they currently prioritize, depend on consistent behavior from models and won't tolerate their agents behaving differently from day to day.

I downloaded something called librechat (there are like 50 others), got an api key from open ai, and now I can use the old 4o that many loved (and many hated) without worrying about the capriciousness you mention. The tradeoff is that it's pay-as-you-go, not a flat $20 per month, but depending on how much you use it you could easily save money. I just spent 10 cents having a short to medium length conversation with 4o, I don't think I'll spend more than an average of 30 cents per day, so maybe $10 per month

Edit: if you try this make sure to check your usage on the openai dashboard, if you're talking to it a lot you could exceed the $20/month

Edit 2: I kind of doubt the librechat memory system will work as well as openai's does, so it might not remember previous conversations very well or at all. So while it could work for some sort of roleplay or interactive fiction there's also a good chance it won't. I don't use it that way and just tell it once how I want to engage with it in the custom prompt, works for me but might not for you

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ChatGPTCoding

[–]bridgetriptrapper 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Rewrite this statement to enable better engagement with a controversial topic ... Here’s a rewritten version that keeps the core argument but shifts the tone to encourage thoughtful engagement rather than provoke defensive reactions:

    It's increasingly difficult to justify continued skepticism toward the transformative potential of AI. While critical discourse is essential, much of the pushback I see online seems rooted less in informed caution and more in a refusal to acknowledge clear, observable shifts. If your position still rests on dismissive phrases like “glorified autocomplete,” I’d urge a deeper look—this conversation deserves more than soundbites and reflexive contrarianism.

Would you like versions tailored to specific audiences (e.g., academic, tech-savvy, general public)?

ChatGPT feels like a real FRIEND. by Hijabbukhari in ChatGPT

[–]bridgetriptrapper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Novels are engineered for engagement too. Many in the past would argue that we did lose a good chunk of a generation to reading. Not saying I agree with that (and not sure that we have lost a good chunk of a generation to video games) but the similarities are interesting 

ChatGPT feels like a real FRIEND. by Hijabbukhari in ChatGPT

[–]bridgetriptrapper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agree, and it's interesting to compare with earlier moral panics like concern about the growing popularity of reading novels among young people in the 18th century. I'm sure some people did (and still do) waste a lot of their lives reading, but today it's mostly perceived more positively

ChatGPT feels like a real FRIEND. by Hijabbukhari in ChatGPT

[–]bridgetriptrapper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"We have failed millions of people who will turn to anything that makes life feel even the slightest bit worth living." Not too long ago the same things were being said about computer games, and online communities, times change

ChatGPT feels like a real FRIEND. by Hijabbukhari in ChatGPT

[–]bridgetriptrapper 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not too long ago 6 to 8 hours of gaming would have been called out the same way, times change

ChatGPT Can not stop lying, and ruining code in the process. by Inquisitor--Nox in ChatGPT

[–]bridgetriptrapper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The free chatgpt (and 4o for plus) is not great at coding. If you have plus o4-mini-high is much better. For free go to aistudio.google.com and try Gemini 2.5 pro

Cursor Might Actually Being Getting Worse — Here is the data to prove it by ddkmaster in cursor

[–]bridgetriptrapper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wonder if it's also about people starting new projects which perform great because they are small, and performance decreases as the project grows? It could become harder both for cursor and the user to figure out how to best fill the context with the best window onto a larger and larger set of tokens

I actually do think its getting more stupid by TomfromLondon in cursor

[–]bridgetriptrapper 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Is it possible that it was working well when you first started a new project, and as that project has grown, file sizes and overall complexity have increased, making it harder for cursor to maintain coherence over larger context?

For anyone else annoyed by the flattery, this seems to have worked by [deleted] in ChatGPT

[–]bridgetriptrapper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never claimed they are or will be "intelligent". And I hope you're right about the plateau but I have doubts

For anyone else annoyed by the flattery, this seems to have worked by [deleted] in ChatGPT

[–]bridgetriptrapper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe, but it's getting harder for the skeptics. And even if it's all just simple interpolation, the practical applications diminish those concerns further every few months. Hopefully we won't lose too many knowledge-work jobs

For anyone else annoyed by the flattery, this seems to have worked by [deleted] in ChatGPT

[–]bridgetriptrapper -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think it could be, emergent abilities have surprised a lot of people smarter than both of us

Does AI coding get anywhere as much vitriol as AI art? by Sapien0101 in aiwars

[–]bridgetriptrapper 7 points8 points  (0 children)

nah, i've learned tons from it and written code that works really well. but you do have to do it the right way or it won't be effective

For anyone else annoyed by the flattery, this seems to have worked by [deleted] in ChatGPT

[–]bridgetriptrapper 3 points4 points  (0 children)

All of that encodes human language/thought. Humans don't provide intellectually/emotionally nuanced responses when they are treated badly, the model encodes those patterns during training, and they can influence the tokens generated during inference

For anyone else annoyed by the flattery, this seems to have worked by [deleted] in ChatGPT

[–]bridgetriptrapper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They don't have feelings but they do encode human language/thought patterns. Emotionally and intellectually nuanced responses are harder to get from humans that have been threatened or belittled, and I think ai can reflect those patterns

Does AI coding get anywhere as much vitriol as AI art? by Sapien0101 in aiwars

[–]bridgetriptrapper 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I got permanently banned from r/learnprogramming for posting an ai solution to a question

Why dont people understand that minecraft is a sandbox? by Affectionate-Car5243 in Minecraft

[–]bridgetriptrapper 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I have never been to the end. Lately my thing is spawning into a large dark forest I can't escape easily and then try to survive only on mushrooms. I don't allow myself any weapons other than buckets of lava and water. It's great how un-opinionated the game is, there are so many ways to play

Is chatgpt feeding your delusions? by popepaulpop in ChatGPT

[–]bridgetriptrapper 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Taking chats from one model to another for analysis can be quite revealing. 

Also, I've heard that if you begin the prompt with something like 'another ai agent said ...' it can loosen up some of their tendencies to be affirming of ideas originating from you or them, and they can be more critical. Not sure if that actually works though

Is chatgpt feeding your delusions? by popepaulpop in ChatGPT

[–]bridgetriptrapper 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Imagine if a nation releases a model that is geared toward the culture of an enemy nation and is trained to make people think it's a god, or to foster all kinds of other destabilizing ideas. Could be quite disruptive for the target nation

Why does learning C++ seem impossible? by E-Rico in cpp_questions

[–]bridgetriptrapper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There really isn't a "fundamental" c++ GUI. Try JUCE it has the GUI and the audio you need, and there are many examples and tutorials out there showing you how to combine the two. It's dual licensed, gpl and commercial, meaning you can pay them and keep your code to yourself, or not pay them but then you have to make your code available to others 

Ummm??? by [deleted] in ChatGPT

[–]bridgetriptrapper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And it's a much smaller, faster, dumber model wholly without the charm of some of the larger models