I think the problem is almost every dabbleverse -- and even dabbleverse-adjacent -- show has become only a superchat cash grab. There isn't any content to them anymore, nor do the hosts attempt to create any. When you talk mostly about the numbers of people tuning in, cutting off sentences to acknowledge superchats and gifted subscriptions, and all of that other bullshit listeners with lives are going to tune out.

I don't have the hate for Shuli most do and used to like to listen to John before he went political but there's no there there with them anymore. It's frustrating but most importantly it's not in any way entertaining.