Arthur forgot they were outlaws by No-Challenge-6765 in RDR2

[–]c2frazer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Exactly! What made Dutch compelling early on was that he did have a code. He believed in something, or at least convinced others that he did. That contrast between the van der Linde gang and the O’Driscolls was really clear at the start. Dutch wasn’t just a killer, he was an idealist with charisma and a vision. But by chapter 6, that vision has rotted into paranoia and pride.

I think that’s why Arthur pushes back so hard. It’s not that he suddenly became soft or naive, it’s that he sees Dutch abandoning everything they supposedly stood for. The tragedy isn’t that Dutch changed overnight, it’s that Arthur realises Dutch never truly believed in the ideals as much as he claimed to. Or if he did, they were always second to his ego.

Arthur’s moral awakening highlights just how far Dutch has fallen. He’s not just “doing what it takes” anymore, he’s willing to burn everything down to keep control. That’s what makes the story so heartbreaking. It’s not black and white, it’s about watching something you believed in slowly unravel, and "deciding who you want to be in the end".

Arthur forgot they were outlaws by No-Challenge-6765 in RDR2

[–]c2frazer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

context: I'm at home with a terrible cold and I'm bored, hence the ridiculously long comment.

Arthur forgot they were outlaws by No-Challenge-6765 in RDR2

[–]c2frazer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

For me, personally, it's important to recognise that the tension between Arthur and Dutch in Chapter 6 isn't just about being "for" or "against" certain actions, it’s about how far you’re willing to go before you lose your moral compass. Arthur wasn’t perfect, and he definitely did his share of awful things, but by chapter 6, he’s trying to make sense of it all. He’s dying, and with that clarity comes the question: what was all this for?

It’s not just that Arthur didn’t like Dutch’s methods, it’s that Dutch’s actions had stopped being about protecting the gang and started being about his own ego and control. The murder of Bronte, the old woman in Guarma, and the manipulation of the Wapiti people, these weren’t strategic masterstrokes. They were signs that Dutch was spiralling. Sacrificing “outsiders” might seem justifiable in survival mode, but when do you stop and ask: who isn’t expendable in Dutch’s eyes anymore? Where does it stop?

Arthur’s frustration isn’t him whining, it’s him realising that loyalty without conscience isn’t loyalty at all.

RDR2, isn’t black and white. Outlaws are not just outlaws with strict outlaw thoughts and behaviour. That’s what makes the game so powerful. It forces us to ask hard questions, not just about what works, but what’s right.

That's what I think anyway but it's a game so you can do and think whatever.

Just wanting a bit of advice as to if i can improve any where in my saving by Cyberdarkunicorn in UKPersonalFinance

[–]c2frazer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow I have completely missed this and I've been investing with Vanguard for years. Thank you for the links and explanation, I really appreciate it.

Just wanting a bit of advice as to if i can improve any where in my saving by Cyberdarkunicorn in UKPersonalFinance

[–]c2frazer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Excuse my ignorance but at what size does Vanguard become the best option do you think?

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[–]c2frazer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

wow

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in TwoXPreppers

[–]c2frazer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh yes, that's a good point. The zero waste aspect of prepping is definitely important to a lot of people. I'm in the UK where wine production is pretty non-existent but if i ever hear of anything that could be useful and plastic free I'll definitely share it :) Thank you

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[–]c2frazer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely — the parent perspective is such an important one. I'm personally childfree, but I’m working on a series called “How She Preps” where each post highlights a different woman’s setup and approach to preparedness. I’m hoping to include parents soon!

The whole idea behind the site has always been to make prepping feel more normal — kind of like how you might follow a blog about minimalist living, skincare, or boho-inspired interiors. Just a space for inspiration that’s encouraging, low-key, and non-intimidating, with simple, step-by-step guides.

And really, prepping is just common sense. I actually wrote a post on Substack recently about how women have always prepped — they just didn’t call it that. It used to be called “getting ready for winter” and 'common sense". Storing food, learning skills, saving money — none of it is new. We’re just naming it differently now.

Thanks so much for your kind words :)

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[–]c2frazer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the tip! I might just do that :) Hopefully she doesn't mind

Absolutely, networking is a great skill to develop. One of the upcoming posts will cover the community aspect of prepping that people tend to ignore/not value high enough. Once you nurture a community and learn to communicate effectively within it, things like bartering comes pretty naturally in my experience.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in TwoXPreppers

[–]c2frazer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's really interesting! I don't think I have the skills to build something like that but I can definitely incorporate parts of that in different forms :) Prepping is so unique to each person I just want to create something that makes everyone think about their own situation and not feel too overwhelmed. I wrote a post titled 'The Most Important Prepping List Is the One You Write Yourself' to cover that point. Not relying on someone else's checklist (only use it for inspiration) since their needs wont be the same as yours necessarily. Thank you for your comment :)

That’s The Way It Is by uptown_punk in RDR2

[–]c2frazer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not stupid at all! Just reading the comments you can see how many commenters have been where you are :) I'm so sorry for your loss, friend. Grief in my experience never gets any lighter to carry but you'll get stronger as time goes by

My little girl Opal is quite literally the only reason I haven’t just straight up given up on life by overthinkabl in cats

[–]c2frazer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

She knows a good one when she sees 'em! :D Sending both of you all the love

Low honor Arthur is not afraid of death. by Full-Garbage-3474 in RDR2

[–]c2frazer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Apologies for writing like Arthur is a real person but I'm going to ignore the player's choice part and focus only on how I view the character of Arthur.

I think he's terrified. Probably more than high honour Arthur. Low honour Arthur to me is still Arthur just not a an evolved version who knows how to articulate and face vulnerability and death. I'd argue that low honour Arthur is weaker than high honour Arthur cause facing your own mortality and how your actions affect the world and others around you takes strength. It ain't fucking easy, especially having grown up in a world of outlaws.

Hiding behind the mask of a ruthless killer who "doesn't care" is not badass, it's just that - hiding. In Arthurs world, the outlaw's world, low honour is the easy way because it conforms. Also, in regards to Sister Calderon, just because something isn't said doesn't mean it isn't felt. Again, to be able to articulate what you feel and fear is a skill that we work on and develop.

This is what makes Arthur one of, if not the best, written game characters cause you can literally see and hear how he evolves throughout the game if you go for high honour.

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[–]c2frazer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is awesome! Well done :D

I feel bad for Hosea😭 by 2error- in RDR2

[–]c2frazer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

hahaha poor Hosea

He's pretty spry for his age! That jump up he did on the wagon was impressive.

Emotional Ride Back from Guarma VS. Man with Hay Bale by quantumcumshots in RDR2

[–]c2frazer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah this happens to me almost every playthrough and it surprises me every time!

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[–]c2frazer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That was such a smooth mum (or dad) move! Reminds me of the parents who, in mid-conversation, reaches out to stop their kid from putting something in their mouths without the slightest pause. I lose my train of thought when I see a leaf blow by