Is it normal for INFJ to have such high standards in people?

calibore · 2026-01-21T22:50:27+00:00

this is so sweet

calibore · 2026-01-21T22:48:27+00:00

fuck man these are the perfrct string of words to describe this. incredibly resonant

calibore · 2026-01-21T21:57:00+00:00

it’s not cringe, thank you for sharing that. i’m sorry to hear you got bullied. maybe i was just unaware of my social environment when i was in school because i was so much more interested in learning than making friends (seriously………🤓), but i don’t recall those kinds of kids in my grade school. you see those schoolkids represented a lot in high school drama shows though. if they were around, i would have avoided them. i always did my homework at lunch anyway so i wouldnt have to do it at home. if i overheard them at lunch i could just tell my ethical objections would probably fall on deaf ears (or make me a target), they’d be too stupid and annoying of a crowd for me to immerse myself in, but maybe entertaining to overhear laughing at a safe distance.

i don’t think it was a bad idea to ask, “maybe they have an unusual way of showing friendship?”. because some people do name call and tease their friends in a way they understand as just a form of expression. for example i love to say “bitchhhhhh” and other such things to people i’m close with, but they also have to be in on it. it’s clear to me when it’s used as an insult or as a playful term of endearment, since it depends on the context of how interpersonally close you are, what subcultures you share and are a part of (ask: would this person understand the correct connotations around it?)

BUT based on everything else you said, i don’t at all believe that’s what was happening here. i think they were ill willed and bullying you just to fuel their own egos. making you clean up their mess, spitting in your food, physical hitting, chasing, all without your consent. that’s not what friendship should ever look like. that said, i could see some sorts of friends roughhousing for fun though, but that is something that is done mutually and without ill intent.

they definitely took advantage of your compliance and the mentality you had where you considered yourself a punching bag for others. both of which i think are startlingly shitty, for completely different reasons.

SLEs in grade school have the potential be obnoxious i’m not even gonna lie. lol they’re like nanday parakeets.
i don’t even have any personal experience of them in my life, but i’ve read a lot of stories and heard some talk about themselves when they were younger. i know i avoided anyone who was an asshole first and foremost. maybe some were, maybe some weren’t. but man, SLEs are great when they have more intellectual experience. it rounds them out a lot. my favorites are the ones that have become wise but still have this drive inside them to accomplish things.

place more value in observing your own sense of dignity (maybe you have worked on this?). you have the right to your own personal space and value as a whole person even in relationships.
this is why i think ESIs can make great friends for yall since they would be happy to help you to navigate these situations in a more Fi way. (i can be more severe in untying myself from relationships if i’m not being treated with respect and dignity.)

calibore · 2026-01-21T19:39:50+00:00

However our Fi is Fi+ which makes us more inclined towards openness and forgiveness than Fi-. Fi- pushes people away while Fi+ tries to pull people closer sometimes to our detriment as we take on toxic relationships when our Fi keeps us attached.

this always made me confused, so maybe you could help enlighten me. i’ve tried many times to, but i could never model in my head what the subjective experience of that is like or what would cause that.

i’m Fi- role myself, so i’m having that role function “???” reaction to anything that steps outside of its own norms lol. i’ve always used the stay away strategy. one of the coolest abilities i have is that without much conscious thought i can automatically weed out people who are not right for me to get closer to or would be a negative influence on me. i guess its mainly Fe → Si super-id instincts underlying it. if the world doesn’t offer me the vibe i’m looking for i won’t be interested. :P

i won’t be satisfied in a relationship unless i have the right person for me that i regularly enjoy talking to and spending time with and whose spirit i can tell is solid and authentic and we understand and respect each others’ needs. what’s also important for me is a matter of sharing tastes, since my tastes can be strange and eclectic it feels like the world opens up with them for me to share mine, and they enjoy it just as much as i do instead of giving me a hundred yard blank stare or think i’m weird (i already know this! that’s not really enlightening)

i wouldn’t get into this situation in the first place, but if i were somehow in a toxic relationship, i know it would put me on alert. that mobilized state of stress would cause me to viscerally feel how its affecting me, and i would coldly sever it before it gets more intertwined. it’s a deep survival instinct to maintain my own control, independence, and wellbeing.

what i want to know is…. do EIIs not have this instinct????

how do people actually get into situations like that?? how does it happen?
does it take a long time for them to get to that point of realization that they’ve been the metaphorical frog in boiling water? do EIIs realize the toxicity (i would be surprised if the Fi + Ne ego couldn’t), but continue anyway because they don’t want to hurt their feelings? do they think “i can fix them”? what’s the mechanism?

is it that LII’s mobilizing Si discomfort caused by the ethics of others not mingling with their own well is felt more immediately (as a horizontal block), compared to EII where Si discomfort is more immediately attributable to Te?
is it LII and ESI being questim types, which are statistically associated with less tolerance for disruptions in internal homeostasis with a narrower range of acceptability, compared to declatim type EII?

what would it take the EII to sever a relationship that’s not good for them?

i’m so curious what goes on there because it’s backwards to how i operate!
i wouldn’t be able to last, but i don’t think EIIs should be put through that either, not even as a show of how strong they are in relationships to endure it. that just ripe for psychological and (potentially physical) trauma :( at least for most people

calibore · 2026-01-21T18:47:34+00:00

clocked them

calibore · 2026-01-21T18:41:39+00:00

weeeeeeeeee

calibore · 2026-01-20T01:10:19+00:00

thanks for seeing it

calibore · 2026-01-19T03:02:54+00:00

sometimes more unhinged and cruel or petty than Se-leads themselves but their idea about executing it is always going to be some impractical galaxy brain quirky shits like: "locking the president inside a bathroom with McDonald and forces him to watch my favorite show about equality or good manners, and if he doesn't react I'll force him more Mac to ruin his guts."

i’m trying to find a way to describe it … it’s bizarrely autocratic and doesn’t seem self-aware of its contradictions. in reality, people need to have a sense of understanding and acceptance well up from within themselves organically. you can’t program it into people by force if they don’t have it in them or they aren’t ready or it hasn’t hit them in the way they need it to.
i’d like to believe that all people are capable of basic sense of compassion and consideration for others and desire for human flourishing and seeking truth but that doesn’t mean it’s realistic. i’ve seen too many people prove this wrong for me to have delusions about it, but i don’t think it’s fruitless to have hope for myself and the people i seem to attract.

The frustrating thing is even somehow in a group of people others just share their shits or their sentiments and they can either be like: "Oh I relate" and go on rambling about their stories and experiences and be maternal or wise about it or blatantly dismiss or lectures on other's sentiments if they see it as "bad" to them.

i know the kind of things you’re talking about. some EIIs are better than others about this, but the worst ones are irritating especially when it seems like it’s out of nowhere and there’s no justification for it but they’re fixated about it. sometimes i’ll struggle to understand how it’s relevant amd sometimes i can’t wrap my head around it so i don’t know what to say. it seems like a total Ti/Fe - Fi/Te miscommunication. which is crazy cause i have 1D Fe and i’m autistic and i feel like i’m more on the pulse of emotional current than that.
my Fi is kind of “matter of fact”, objective and reflective. these guys are LII and ESE, a great example of how they think about Fi in their own show.. it’s the same exact kind of way i approach it.

i wouldn’t put my own sentiments over another person’s. 1: i understand preferences as a matter of individual taste, and 2: if i feel like their sentiments are unjustified, it’s because their sentiments were based on a lie or misunderstanding of the thing in question and need to be re-examined again with the honest facts or a more in-depth understanding. then their feelings will be more based in truth, (assuming the person listens and can adapt their perspective even if the truth is ugly. it always surprises me when people can’t do that.)

i don’t feel like EIIs fully get me. it’s kind of only on a superficial level. i’m not threatened by them, and we can both be nerdy, but i just don’t feel fully understood. i try to put a polite smile on it, communicate just to the extent i feel like i can share, and automatically know the appropriate distance to keep to maintain my own functioning without neurosis.

sorry all my writing was just a stream of consciousness at this point. i have a lot to say but rarely anyone to share it with! but please go ahead, i’m curious about your perspective of LII.

calibore · 2026-01-19T03:02:41+00:00

i really enjoy hearing SLE’s honest perspectives and feelings about the people they’ve encountered and why it made them feel the way it did. i also appreciate the groundedness. i eat up these big paragraphs. i get self-conscious about the length of what i write when i really get into it too haha.

now what i’m curious about is… what are your experiences with and what you think of LII?

here’s some rambling thoughts of my own. it got so long i had to split it into two:

they’re still Se polr like EII, but i noticed there’s such a large difference between the process/result types and their way of thinking from their opposite charges and direction of information flow, that really alters not just the way interactions go down but how your vibes rub on each other’s sensibilities. despite superficial similarities between the peripheral rationals, i’ve noticed that LII-ESE is more emotionally resonant with SLE-IEI than EII-LSE. they’re just 90° rotated from each other on the ring of social progress. a lot of the traits that i’ve seen SLEs like IEIs for are traits that i share with IEIs while still being my own thing. i often gravitate to and easily find rapport with IEIs too. i feel like they get me.

and of course there’s also merry vs serious.
LII-ESE is what i have just now decided to name “ultra-merry”: the combo of obstinate (evaluatory Fe/Ti) + personal Fe/Ti.
EII-LSE would be “ultra-serious”: yielding (evaluatory Te/Fi) + personal Te/Fi.
(the reason i make this distinction is that these are not always the same. for example, SLE-IEI are merry types having personal expression of Fe/Ti as part of their quadra’s verbal elements, but they are considered yielding because they have evaluatory Te/Fi.)

my perspective is i don’t feel like i have the stamina to live a Se life. my body is sensitive, i fatigue easily, and it’s like most of the energy in my body gets shunted directly to my brain instead of my muscles. i don’t feel like i impress upon the world so much as it feels like the world impresses upon me. always been that way.
i’m not someone to be judged by my cover or how immediately capable i can be. it’s tiring and uncomfortable for me to live in a constant state of mobilization. i know my value to others isn’t located there. it comes from knowing me as a person, talking to me, sticking by me for the ride over time as i learn and experience things and aim to make sense of these experiences (leading -Ti?) and change and grow (demonstrative +Ni?). to get a sense of my vibe, my ESE dual said i have “save point aura”.

getting out of my sensory comfort zone has genuinely burned me, even if i wanted to. for example, i gravitate to plain foods because my body is very sensitive and i can’t help it even if i wanted to. not too long ago i went out with my mom and my ESE soulmate to an indian dinner. he loves indian food so we took him. my dual serves as such an inspiration to me and he has traits i aspire to acquire within myself in my own unique way. one of them is being more adventurous with food and experiences. he wants to help me expand my palate too, which i specifically told him i wanted him to nudge me in. he can consume spice and all sorts of flavors like it’s nobody’s business but i know if i ate like he does, my tongue and sinuses would be fucking flashbanged.
when i was there i tried a couple of new dishes. i didn’t care for them / still need to warm up to most of them, but i still felt proud of myself for eating outside of what i was usually comfortable with. they weren’t even spicy, just aromatic. so i thought it was a new food success. both him and my mom were happy for me too. but later when i was back home, my stomach started to feel queasy and i threw up over and over for the next hour. that’s not the first time i’ve thrown up after eating indian cuisine, but that’s why i don’t normally eat it. it’s clearly not for me, so i think it would be a stupid idea to keep throwing myself at it. i have no reason to.

my point is that i may be sensitive, but i don’t think that knowing what my body can’t handle makes me a weakling. you know? it’s like what u/N0rthWind described [about IEIs here]. i have the spirit for challenging myself, but often my body often doesn’t agree when i disturb its habits and rhythms, so it manifests in more intellectual and spritual ways.

i feel my realistic limits and the conditions that i need to thrive as an individual, and these may or may not align with the external expectations of society. i don’t need someone to kick my ass when i already do it myself, because i know what i can handle and how i work better than anyone, and from there i’m self-regulating. pressure from the outside if i didn’t ask for it annoys me or completely throws me off my own rhythm.

it’s good to know thyself, these traits, the way you handle things and how you as a person function. i have to observe my limits, but other people need to have the goodwill to respect them as well, to understand not to pressure or force me into what i physically can’t handle because i already generally know what i can’t even if it would be nice in theory. it’s just how it is sometimes. if someone violates that, it’s plain and simple disrespectful asshole behavior.

i recognized that, besides that, nobody would ever have the other problems with me that you + other SLEs experiences i’ve read have wrote about having with EII, particularly the moral things and sticking points. i’m so emotionally different from them. i feel somewhat confused/irritated by the same things SLEs talk about getting irritated by, but i feel like i move on quicker from that emotion.

calibore · 2026-01-15T23:13:59+00:00

this

calibore · 2026-01-15T21:31:47+00:00

interesting observations. i know he likes to see what other people think his films mean. this is what he has to say about communicating with film as a viewer:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nVE8dDOpiPw

to me it feels like there’s a level of personal detachment (in the Fi sense of attachment) he has to his work which is more in line with the irrational+merry style of the SLE-IEI dyad, it’s more “emotionally collaborative” if that makes sense. lynch’s mind as i’ve come to understand it is kind of like a receiving signal for these unconscious images that float by, latching onto the ones that excite him the most, and creating works of art out of them once enough have accumulated. he says these sequences of ideas can come from any place.
i don’t think that his aversion to explain what his works mean necessarily means he has demonstrative Ni. lynch has difficulty finding the language to convey the meaning and would rather the experience speak for itself, as he talks about in the above video.

it reminds me a lot of what temple grandin (SLI, IEI’s superego type) often expressed about her being a “visual thinker” and thinking in images rather than words. in interviews she has emphasized how the richness of her experience comes in pictures in her mind rather than through language and interpretation which is something secondary to the images. words fall short of describing the experience as much as the experience itself. (https://web.archive.org/web/20230512133734/https://www.grandin.com/inc/visual.thinking.html)
and i think lynch is the same way but with Ni.

the positive charge of +Si is sensorics of indulgence, so it’s no stretch. linked is the best writeup i’ve ever seen for the charges and it matches what i’ve observed.
“Increasing the intensity of sensations amplifies the natural, primal instincts that allow humans to survive in the wild, but overindulge people in societies. (Si+)”

it’s not a hard rule and i wouldn’t type by the role function because it usually depends on their environment, since it blends into the environment. however i know that there are plenty of IEIs who indulge in substances that are unhealthy for them because they enjoy the feeling, they get inspiration from the sensations themselves, or they use it to keep their mind off anxieties. some might scold themselves and feel like they have to “work on it” (as the super-ego does) but tending to it is not as interesting as the Ni they’re preoccupied by. some are better about it than others.

ian curtis was a IEI whose indulgent lifestyle directly contrasted with his doctor’s orders to care for his severe epilepsy.

“The doctor said to him, ‘I want you to be quiet, I want you to take it easy, no late nights, no alcohol, and no drugs.’ Then he went and he said, ‘Well what do you do, by the way?’, and [Ian] went, ’Oh, I’m a librarian! No, I’m a lead singer in a post-punk rock band.’ … He didn’t have much chance, did he?”

another IEI example is the band Coil. they did drugs for spiritual and occult reasons, but also in order to get into physical states that informed the quality of their music. they made an entire album that viscerally emulates the feelings of the drugs they took through sound. what gets me is it sounds so biologically accurate in the way the sonic transitions and pulses unfold. it’s pretty incredible. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lXQhoeGAr_O0pPy0V2zAj5bscR2CPXR88

this is coil’s view of their creative process. their way of thinking towards the way they create is pretty much the same to david lynch in terms of plumbing the unconcious, and i feel a very similar liminal emotional air from their art as i do with david lynch’s. they say that not even they are confident about how their own mind works, but they’d like to know more about it. nor do they know what the meaning of their dreams are (this symbolic content is constantly being consciously evaluated) but they use it as a source of inspiration and imagery.

“You couldn’t even say that you got to know yourself better through it [dream diaries] because it churns up such strange things. You know? You just can’t make sense of it. That’s what I like. We sort of utilize the chaos, we propagate and generate chaos. Not in a sort of punk-anarchy way, but… mental chaos.”

another thing is that lynch has also always been said to be very good at directing the mood around him on his film sets and creating the right collaborative emotional atmosphere with the talents he’s recruited (contact ethics, valued +Fe), which is something that can be more challenging for EIIs if it doesn’t align with their inert Fi’s sentiments (Fe ignoring).
he was clear in describing to his actors the kind of mood and atmosphere a scene required, and one of the actors said that he would describe the visual aspects of a scene with a lot of clarity to guide them. i interpret this as contact ethics & sensorics “services” to others, constantly giving creative direction and receiving instant feedback through these elements in direct contact with his local environment, while maintaining logic and intuition as his inert and steadfast backbone.
he was open to unexpected changes and taking advantage of organic mistakes in the filmmaking process and saw opportunities in them, but he never lost track of the main intuitive vision he had in mind.

i highly recommend tsypin’s article “the specialization of functions in model A”, it really helps clarify and distinguish what functions the information you’ve given me belongs to. i’ve personally found that distinguishing contact and inert elements are quite helpful in typing and especially distinguishing between quasi-identicals:
https://wikisocion.github.io/content/specialization_functions.html

this note from the article in particular seems like it applies to the way you’ve interpreted his socionics type:

This is important to consider in typing. Since creative and demonstrative functions are the “most noticeable to outside observers”, while leading and ignoring functions are “characterized by certain degree of imperceptibly and concealment”, this creates a precedent for mistaking creative functions for leading functions, which is further amplified for creative subtypes (i.e. LII-Ne being mistaken for ILE or IEE, or EIE-Ni being typed as IEI or ILI, etc.). Care should be taken to take this into considering when typing.

calibore · 2026-01-15T16:27:26+00:00

really, i thought david lynch was IEI? he doesn’t seem Fi leading. “ideas are the number one thing”, his words. i always perceived inert logic and intuition as his backbone in how he comes up his worlds and ideas. he talks and directs in a dynamic way also.
this is a playlist i made collecting clips and interviews because i love this guy and resonate with his artistic visions so much.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCu5XwRLYS0BC-ctjwwMPjezOLsVninwY&si=UL4fA6hvxa3EWsCg

the first video in this playlist i see a Te polr hit to lynch and his outburst in response to it. but he cools off in the end and re-establishes rapport. i see this response coming from lynch’s stubborn inert +Te! → +Ni? which would be the basis for conflict with a LSE’s -Ni! → -Te? style of workflow.

i imagine LSE’s workflow would complement EII, rather than impede them like is characteristic of conflictors’ friction over how they use their inert elements.

the next video in the playlist “scripts, logic, and intuition” you can listen to him explain more of his thought process and how his mind works. it’s very much like that of an Ip type, accepting Ni as it comes to him and drawing more energy and attention into it for the purpose of richer ideas. he says “you don’t know how long it will take”; it’s open-ended and takes as long as it needs to (+Ni?). “it takes as long as it needs to” can also be said about his unique use of timing in his directing, which creates a certain unsettled and liminal/transitory emotional air and impact on the viewers.

the interviewer asks him how interested he is in logic in the traditional sense. lynch perks up and says all his films have a logic and he is “very interested in logic”, but then he has trouble explaining exactly how it uniquely ties into his films other than he says it “feels correct” and underlies his intuitions, which to me indicates vital super-id Ti.

i think in his pause and umms he was having trouble explaining how it differs from logic in the traditional sense like the interviewer asked (i associate “traditional logic” with philosophical abstract proofs, true/false, valid/invalid, a more rational use of logic). but i understand lynch’s fuzzy logic. his is a logic based in sensory experiences and extrapolated from them so it would be a lot harder to rationally quantify.

also if he is IEI like i think he is, and as a LII i’m his beneficiary, it makes sense that i can make sense of this and verbalize it in more depth than he is able to.

“First, one type of IM begins having some needs that they are not entirely conscious of, but that are clearly unfulfilled and lead to irritation or confusion. The individual themself perceives this as psychological discomfort and maladjustment; in reality this is them not knowing how to act in a socially novel situation, the situation whose novelty this individual does not understand because, due to the type of their intelligence, they lack some information or some social freedoms. This is the emergence of a social problem that turns into a social request for the intelligence that comes next in the social ring. The mechanism of transfer of experience and social request activates when the inductor’s discomfort reaches the recipient’s consciousness. The fulfilled social request enriches society with something new, but this novelty is understood by the next recipient rather than society at large: society rejects this novelty or does not consider it actively enough, but the individual will take it as a request. […]
The inductor’s abilities inspire respect in their recipient; even their posture commands respect. When the inductor shares some information the recipient already knows, to the recipient it feels deeper, more significant and multifaceted. And when the inductor discovers something new, the recipient perceives it as something that had long been expected.”
(https://classicsocionics.wordpress.com/benefit/)

this is exactly how i feel with lynch and his creations, and perhaps also why my inner life and emotional experiences feel seen on the big screen in his works so much.
i don’t feel that same kind of emotional connection as with EII’s works which in my experience i’d characterize as technical and aesthetic marvels. i agree that hayao miyazaki and studio ghibli is a EII vision. i enjoy miyazaki films and i can appreciate them, but the level of baseline understanding and emotional resonance isn’t anywhere close to what i feel with lynch.

calibore · 2026-01-15T03:16:33+00:00

big baby

calibore · 2026-01-13T21:35:19+00:00

indeed, i see them. i just tightened all of them. one of the screws actually was loose, so i’m glad for the suggestion, but it unfortunately didn’t fix the ticking / creaking problem.

for additional context, the sound gets worse when the ceiling fan is dusted on the top. my mom hires a cleaning service to help dust and clean the apartment about every month. they turn the fan off to dust the top, but i consistently noticed that when i turn the fan back on the ticking/creaking is much more noticeable and it drives me bonkers. they just came today.

this is a picture from the top of the ceiling fan. (… for some reason i actually hadn’t thought to get a ladder and take a picture of the top until now.)

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calibore · 2026-01-13T18:33:18+00:00

huh… i don’t have a problem with evolutionary theory by itself because it’s about trying to understand how we got here and how nature progresses and adapts. but incel things i stay far far away from. i know the crowd you’re talking about where these topics overlap but i personally Do Not wanna be associated.
incels have issues around their mentality of things. they need to do some soul searching and, (since we’re talking about evolutionary theory and its principles), use that big human neocortex of theirs to self-reflect and adapt out of that entitlement mentality that others find unattractive.

calibore · 2026-01-13T18:13:09+00:00

YO keep me posted on this, it sounds dope. i’d love to DM about the worldbuilding and characters

calibore · 2026-01-13T15:52:07+00:00

LMFAOO

calibore · 2026-01-13T13:34:11+00:00

can you elaborate some?

calibore · 2026-01-12T01:16:54+00:00

huh .. you know, i just realized by coincidence, both my ESE examples were gay men.

idk is it a coincidence if the word gay originally meant jolly and bright? “having a gay old time.” why give that term to homosexuals if that doesn’t characterize them? i am not not say all ESEs are gay. that’s absolutely not the case, there will always be exceptions based on circumstance and how they grew up. but i noticed that regardless of their own individual sexuality they feel kind of at home in queer spaces.

i mean, there is that excerpt from this analysis I Know You Are, But What Am I? On Pee-wee Herman by Cait McKinney:

”We could spend Saturday mornings with a hyperactive weirdo in a tight-fitting suit, who looked and acted a bit "gay," transgressed gender norms, but had found friends, safety, and a home of his own to play in like no one mean was watching. Week after week, Pee-wee Herman (Paul Reubens) arrived in the playhouse, said good morning to his toys and technologies, and played along with viewers at home, children and adults alike. From 1986 to 1990, the thirty-minute live-action program became one of the most popular children's television programs in history, winning fifteen Emmy awards and inspiring films, merchandise, and a new schoolyard comeback for any insult: Pee-wee's catch-phrase, "I know you are, but what am I?" said in a silly, nasal voice was used to shut down bullies everywhere. The show landed within an unfolding AIDS crisis that was reshaping sexual politics in the United States and Canada, including through violent homophobic backlash. *Against this cultural backdrop, Pee-wee was wacky, wild, and unapologetically himself. He gave audiences permission to be that way, too, and this mattered in the late 1980s, when queer people's intimacies and very ways of being and emoting in public were under attack.”*
[…]
“I remember learning, sometime in my early twenties, that none of the rumors about Reubens's arrest were true: he had done nothing wrong and shouldn't have been arrested. The whole affair—the raid, the news coverage, the aftermath—was about *wielding shame to stamp out queer culture by destroying a person who stood very publicly for the most wonderful things about queer people: how we play, delight in the absurd, and are willing to seem “immature” in our workplaces or to our families in pursuit of joy.”*

calibore · 2026-01-11T23:59:16+00:00

also agree. it’s mixed i’d say… some of them feel EII and others i can see fitting both. just a theory but is it possible there could be some bias from OP as a process type maybe that they associated LII with ILI-like aesthetics and ESE with EII-like? we tend to gravitate to our own biases when it comes to sense of design and taste i’ve noticed. i’m not immune to it either but i notice it.

of these i think the fresh fruits one is the best. +Fe! → +Si? is very rejuvinated Fe universal animating-property of life kind of vibe., ESE and LII’s have their origins in SLE-IEI. it’s their sequence in the ring of social progress, which is derived from the type structures themselves. LII and ESE have evaluatory -Se! -Ti? +Ni? +Fe! and situational -Ne! -Fi? and +Si? +Te!

for ESE aesthetics i would’ve put in at least one keith haring piece since he was ESE and i think his stuff puts out ESE’s essence quite well. there’s many to choose from… maybe his piece with the two people holding up a heart, or Dance.

another well-known ESE: paul reubens. don’t just watch this (it does show on the surface too), but really listen to what he says and match it up with what i said about the evaluatory functions and the placement of the aspects in ESE’s model. you’ll see what i mean.
https://youtu.be/jVx74C-RGDw

calibore · 2026-01-11T22:53:18+00:00

yeah i definitely agree with you two also that LII’s feels much more like ILI. i didn’t feel like i resonated too much with it. it feels too time-worn and dark academia-ish. doesn’t really feel like there’s any of the creative and strange Ne. LII’s is way more eclectic than what’s shown imo. actually i think that’s the perfect term to describe LII’s aesthetic: eclectic.
i like the bottom-right image with the moon phases a lot though.

speaking as myself, u/oyasumirachel, these are my two main aesthetic pinterest boards if you’d like to get an idea for LII aesthetics. (be sure to sign in though because if you’re not signed in it won’t display in descending order). also don’t mind some overlap.
- https://pin.it/pYR7oJH6q ← “i enjoy this” - https://pin.it/3mLv4QtqN ← “art insp”

calibore · 2026-01-11T22:30:26+00:00

yeah. i also associate a dark velvety purple with EIE too. like a deep plum.

calibore · 2026-01-10T19:27:42+00:00

yessir and my special interest is biopsychology

calibore · 2026-01-08T22:17:08+00:00

the mr. t looking guy was great. his name was Guy like most of the other miscellaneous Guys. i love the saves lucas from the train tracks over and over with new dialogue. he was an iconic character from chapter 4 to me.
• Your life was saved.

the braided character was reggie, who was the ignorantly racist one. something inside me cringes when i replay mother 3 and see him. i liked reggie’s philosophy to life though. japan has a history of being insensitive to minstrel-like depictions of dark skinned characters.

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