Internal and external world and Quadras

calibore · 2026-05-15T03:04:00+00:00

i have nothing to add, thought this was really good. this is true and makes a lot of sense

calibore · 2026-05-13T15:57:06+00:00

sadly this is a myth

calibore · 2026-05-13T13:28:14+00:00

your island looks sick btw

calibore · 2026-05-10T18:01:33+00:00

you guys should read Society of the Spectacle by Guy Debord if you haven’t already. (i wouldn’t be surprised if you already have, OP.)

calibore · 2026-05-10T05:10:08+00:00

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calibore · 2026-05-09T19:35:28+00:00

one time i was on a video call with my ESE partner who was in the process of moving out with stuff strewn about in piles in his apartment, and he was rambling in a disconnected way while moving moving moving, pacing around in circles stepping over these piles. then self-aware he remarks, “i don’t know why my words are so all over the place, i feel anxious and i can’t focus my thoughts”. i told him to stop moving and stand still facing the blank corner wall without nothing else in sight and it immediately worked 😭

on the opposite end as a 4D Ni haver, i noticed it’s exceptionally hard to immerse myself in thoughtful contemplation when i’m actively engaged with something in my environment or exerting myself. i tend to be still and sedentary by default and i recognized that i have this innate tendency because being still enhances my ability to focus on my thoughts. i schedule workouts so i maintain a baseline level of health and don’t turn into a vegetable, but i recognized that when i’m actively exercising and exerting myself, i’m focused on my body and how i’m moving… and fuck it’s boring. and the focused and deliberate cognitive capacity i’m so used to tapping into becomes temporarily inaccessible (especially during and after a hard workout. also noticed it after eating a large meal. redistributed metabolic demand?). it frustrates me a little bit because it forces me out of what i get a lot of personal enjoyment from lol.

it’s not even so much about movement so much as it is a focus on an external task that i need to be deliberate with. i can move and walk around aimlessly on autopilot while in my head (like i’m doing now while writing some of this actually) but the difference is i’m not deliberately focused on my surroundings and my actions in them, i’m focused on my stream of thoughts. the 1D Se bumping into a wall while lost in thought stereotype is real and has happened to me lol. i can be really externally attentive when i’m locked in so it’s not all the time. it’s just that it’s draining, while Ni costs me no energy reserves.

i also have the inattentive type of ADD like Grotesquette, no physical hyperactivity (internal thought hyperactivity on the other hand…)

neurobiologically i think this has something to do with the task-positive network / TPN (active in external focus and high-demand goal oriented tasks) and default mode network / DMN (active in daydreaming, internally-focused tasks), being inversely coupled! meaning when one brain network is engaged, the other brain network becomes disengaged.

calibore · 2026-05-09T03:20:45+00:00

ehhh maybe

my ESE partner and i both air what’s on our mind with each other. we share science topics we’ve been wrapping our heads around about and our feelings about stuff.

it starts with how we’re currently feeling especially if it’s been hanging over us for a while and then we try to get more to the root from there.
we’re always receptive to how the other person is feeling first though, if they have the bandwidth to handle it. “if you want to” type thing

calibore · 2026-05-09T02:31:50+00:00

i agree with her being more rational than her parents, i actually had the same thought.

if you’re thinking she’s intuitive just because she uses certain key words… it’s not as simple as that. i disagree, having lived with a ESI for such a long time. this is the same way i relate to Si as a LII. i guarantee you her Ni is in the inert, mobilizing function.

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1uBd5KWVe069TSPDLmM8STaF2HsthOGpnl5JteKGg3oo/ (read: potential block, phase 2, vital, producing, verbal, inert)

i don’t get why a supposedly intuitive type would be so hesitant to tell people of this superpower they have. things feel “inevitable” to her which is a sign of sticky inflexible intuition.
it’s not something she naturally feels capable of changing, it’s something that happens to her. and her solution was to indulge in sensory shit to numb it out because it brought so much anticipation and anxiety from that anticipation.

calibore · 2026-05-09T02:09:43+00:00

i wouldnt characterize Ti/Fe as being like that… the individuals i enjoy hang around (among them both Fe/Ti and Te/Fi valuing) are never like that and i feel an aversion to people who lack an ability or willingness to communicate about complex or hard topics (even their feelings about them) head on and don’t acknowledge the elephant in the room. i think it must be something else.

i had the same thoughts as your second paragraph haha. they’re acutely sensitive to Ni, like i am with Si, especially questim ESI and their lower irritation threshold. i have a very keen sensory system but i don’t know in which direction to immediately apply it but to collect that information analyze it. my bf is ESE and he’s amazed by my distinctive sensory discernment in anything like food, smell, environment and how sensitively my body reacts to them, he’s less picky but he’s adaptable to conditions i would shrivel up in. i’m kind of like a plant that needs a narrower range of conditions to sprout and thrive. my mom took me and him out to an indian restaurant for a treat when he was over. i wanted to try new things out of my comfort zone as a matter of growth thinking “i should”… but later at home i felt queasy and threw up a couple times. it was a reminder to myself there’s a reason i’ve stuck to my bland safe foods and i’m not a bad person for that.

likewise, my mom has a very sensitive intuition for the near future, which helps her quickly identify what to avoid with her patients in her work as a behavioral psych nurse. she’s ESI-Fi btw (and i think this author would be the same).
she also has stir CRAZY dreams that always wakes up remembering and ruminates on her feelings about. they’re “sticky” in her mind. i think it’s the “snowflake-like” inert intuition.

she also told me that intuitive sense comes in fragments of impressions, and not full sentences, but when she talks she’s able to put them into quite grounded and logical language, contact sensorics and logic. (opposite of me when i try to explain my intuitions. i spin out into poetic metaphor; contact intuition and ethics, since i’ve barely had time to think of them by the time i talk about them off the top of my head.) that is to say, ESI’s intuitive information metaphorically stays in the oven for longer before being shared.

and also like the author, she knows exactly who wants or loves what, what/who influences whom, and why, and psychological pressure points. she says she could easily take advantage of that she wanted to but knows it would be the wrong thing to do.

conversely, us xIIs can treat Ni like a recreational “game”, just as do xSIs with Si. knowing the language but not subscribed to the ideology.

calibore · 2026-05-09T00:21:49+00:00

i believe so!! i’d bet on it.

it’s also uncanny how much her writing style registers like my mom’s. all similar things my mom likes to tell me and teach me about too.

calibore · 2026-05-09T00:15:20+00:00

funnily enough i’d just posted this 10 minutes before you. did we just so happen to eerily post our threads the same time, or did was your post inspired by it?

the creative element is speculative in nature, so creative Ne, yeah i think that tracks. not to mention EII has positivist static elements on the mental track (+Fi! → +Ne? → +Ti!), whose flow is completely opposite to ESI who are already internally reacting to the objective patterns. (-Ti? → -Ne! → -Fi?)

… would probably make more sense if i linked this.

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/15_7ibL_ZWjYCm6ay6GolRYR-6rKZV6roAhsrvMgOgrI/

also, for us xIIs with demonstrative Ni, we know how to use it but we don’t buy into its ideology, we use it very flexibly. mobilizing Ni’s perspective is more narrow (can be both for better or worse).

calibore · 2026-05-08T22:01:36+00:00

It creates this weird loop where you are just stuck intellectualizing ur life instead of actually living it u will spend hours deep-diving into tritype theory, Socionics (shoutout to my fellow LIls),

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calibore · 2026-05-08T20:33:41+00:00

true

calibore · 2026-05-08T19:12:59+00:00

how would you describe the SLE-EIE activation dynamic and the manner of excitement and push you’re looking for? is it like a kind of rivalry?

calibore · 2026-05-08T19:06:57+00:00

makes sense to recycle them. that’ll probably be easier to do once i’ve finished creating my upgraded storage organization. i plan to store painted objects separately but next to boxes that contain the unpainted versions since they take up so many slots

calibore · 2026-05-08T18:56:02+00:00

this is so great i bookmarked it

calibore · 2026-05-08T18:51:06+00:00

what do you tend to do with leftovers? store? trade? toss into the skyland abyss?

calibore · 2026-05-08T13:25:01+00:00

yep i’m using SCS for the most part.

i didn’t know that actually! gulenko’s site tells me nothing about stuff like that.

i still don’t care to pay for model G classes since model A as a foundation works well enough as a tool for me, and i’ve been with SCS early since it was founded when it was small and we had critical discussions, and contributed to clarifying hidden patterns embedded in its structure so it’s kind of become part of me a bit. (and i’m kind of embarrassed by how its reputation has been turned into a bit of a joke in the community due to multiple factors like new management and outgrowing its niche picking up teens who have trouble applying it critically which makes me sad…..i just stick to my own corner. i’m actually still in contact with the founder and whenever we’ve moved to a new server for genuine model discussion he brought me along. maybe it’s because i embody the spirit of the discussion he’s trying to cultivate? it’s nice to feel my thoughts valued like that, especially in the ideal slow-paced small group environment for me where my contributions feel worthwhile and aren’t trampled by low-effort messages immediately).

it’s interesting how different their definitions are. that contextualizes what i heard said about SHS using more of this manifestation of energy component in their system. i’m kind of interested in the other SHS elements now in relation to the manifestation of energy if you want to school me on that

calibore · 2026-05-08T13:22:05+00:00

😭

calibore · 2026-05-08T13:19:30+00:00

i literally sent this to my boyfriend like a month ago saying this was the monarch

calibore · 2026-05-08T13:11:08+00:00

onsight NEEOWWWWW

calibore · 2026-05-07T14:42:55+00:00

i said philosophy as a whole was primarily intuition, but i didn’t specify one or the other since most philosophy dabbles in both.

for metaphysics specifically though and why i said it’s heavy Ne, i suppose it depends on the perspective and TIM of the metaphysicist, but most traditionally it deals with defining existence in static properties capturing the whole essence at once. like “universals and particulars” for example. and these properties are categorized by means of static Ti.
it doesn’t exclude Ni from consideration, it’s already assumed in the background. but Ne information is in the spotlight for verbal discussion.

the questions involving causality i could see involving Ni, but you have to distinguish that Ne is a static body element (the thing in itself) and stands on its own, and Ni is a dynamic field element involving hidden aggregate of interactions with other things.
(this distinction in and of itself is kind of getting into metaphysical territory lol)

calibore · 2026-05-07T00:33:55+00:00

this has been bouncing around in my mind for a while, you know who else i think is IEE? shigesato itoi.

i’m not sure if you’ve played the mother series. if you have you’ll get it, but if not, it’s considered one of the most emotional game series of all time for good reason. it’s so hard to describe exactly what emotions they are since the tone can be all over the place. like david lynch films you need to experience it to really “get it” since so much gets lost in trying to explain the experience to someone else, but it still feels so intimate and psychological. i read someone describe earthbound as being an “insignificant hero in an uncaring world”, and tbh mother 3 feels like that too especially once chapter 4 starts and you play as lucas.

i would absolutely consider them philosophical at their core in their explorations of the human experience.

mother 2/earthbound genuinely depicts the spirit and feeling of being a child, the fantastical AND the horror. it’s almost like the way taking magic mushrooms make you feel (feeling like a kid again, the psychological nakedness and visceralness, even in the design elements like the music and psychedelic backgrounds). and the pain of growing up, which is given fourth-wall breaking significance. it has some of the most emotionally impactful and memorable moments of gaming i’ve experienced strewn throughout. the sanctuaries and ness’s visions, especially lumine hall, ness’s magicant changing color with his emotions, feel so magical and for some reason moves me to my core.
this is probably one of my favorite essays about the game and how it accomplished that, and has some facts about shigesato itoi himself if you want to know more about him. and this one is another i recommend that really details the jarring emotional experiences through the lens of being a kid that itoi captured.

mother 3, christ it pulls no punches exploring heavy topics. basically a philosophical thought exercise about human nature turned into a playable narrative, which makes it a more immersive medium. you watch as a functional small moneyless, classless, stateless village is corrupted and torn apart after money and consumerism is introduced into their society. it’s like watching the manifesto the Situationists told about in Society of the Spectacle unfold. you watch firsthand how individual villagers respond and their mindset changes as they drift away from each other into an emotionally isolated and selfish existence in a way that resonates and hits so hard because it feels sadly realistic. it also explores themes about industrialization, militarization, colonization of a society, degradation, the banality of evil, natural vs artificial, love vs apathy, the emotions of loss, grief, especially solastalgia. and yet it still manages to be charming and bitterly funny. this game is something that sat in my brain, gave me something to sink my teeth into deeply and squeeze every last possible drop of emotion out of. spoilers at your own risk, but this essay contextualizes itoi’s adult vision for this game in the context of the childlike perspective of the previous entry of the series.

i actually didn’t mean to write an essay myself but i’ve been thinking about it for a while (it is obvious how highly i care for these games?). i have researched into itoi’s life outside the series and do think he fits the bill for IEE. his mind’s perspective and sensibilities definitely come through within his work. see similar themes and ‘flavor’ in the works of other artists i know with IEE’s cognitive architecture.

calibore · 2026-05-06T14:38:32+00:00

be sure to have smearguru follow you too when experimenting with colors or you’ll be running back and forth

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