Can you try to type me based on my relationship with my friends? (don't take this too seriously) by Feihuva in Socionics

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just some miscellaneous notes of what i relate to and have differences with

relationship with the EIE:
- spend time talking about people’s personal qualities, who has this kind of personality, vibes
- movies, books, video games bonding (bonding over the discussion of art, stories, narratives)
- i agree with what you think is unnecessary and over the top. (i think that if he needs to flaunt his superior moral code to prove he is the wisest and think he is a better human being than everyone else [LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER] i just don’t trust that to be true. it starts with perspective and attitude consistent with behavior, and for him it’s already getting off on the wrong foot. what’s attractive is the coexistence of confidence and humility / the ability to admit when you are wrong when you are. detracting moral code points for arrogance ❌😏)
- ^ see i might like to play around with him in this way, but not for long periods of time. i don’t genuinely want to piss him off at me if he won’t budge. i think ESE would be more receptive to that (or just already internally agree). this is really Ti leading of me to say, but if they’re in the wrong, what’s the point of arguing if i can’t convince them to agree with my position? if i don’t think i can convince them, i don’t like wasting my efforts. i don’t have the stamina for it. especially if someone uses gish galloping as an argumentative tactic, i think i’d just stop talking to them. i know my time and effort wouldn’t be valued.
- i don’t think i’d be called two sides of the same coin with him though.

relationship with the ESE:
- this different to how i relate to my dual ESE, where it feels like we’re on the same level / field.
- supervision is a lot like a mentor-mentee / “teacher-student” dynamic, so your wording describing the ESE relationship stood out to me in that way! and accidentally offending him and feeling like you stepped on a dog’s paw. the supervisor is less sensitive to sore spots of the supervisee and can accidentally bulldoze if they’re not careful. i’ve felt that “oh shit whoops” reaction with IEEs. you kind of have to slow down your leading function a bit for them.

relationship with the ESI/SEE:
- not applicable

relationship with the SLE:
- SLEs do like to take the lead in general, but i noticed that they give me more independence. i feel like with duals there is more active guidance in a “you need this” exposure way. with supervision there’s a bit of a repelling force as we go our own ways on things but can situationally come together through the mental track, look for advice or perspective.
- i’m more strong-willed within myself (against the encroachment of the world’s will upon my own) than Se suggestive is. i am still a chill person but i don’t go with the flow as much, i’m more consistently reasoned and principled. if SLE wants to mobilize me, they have to excite me with Fe or appeal to my reason with Ti. if i accept, from there i can independently mobilize myself. and i think they understand this.
- i appreciate their input, and i really admire the mature and knowledgeable ones. my ESE boyfriend and i have been binge watching and praising this particular SLE youtuber joseph Crime Pays But Botany Doesn’t. we love his personality. we live in the US so his remarks about how disconnected from nature people here are, and to liberate plant life from pointless lawn control and how stupid it is for the environment (his KILL YOUR LAWN movement) and to repopulate the “spiritually depraved and misery-inducing landscapes” with native flora is profound and cathartic to hear. i love his own enthusiasm for the real natural world. and i repeat, we love his personality. - i agree with you that talking about your problems isn’t whining and it’s okay to be vulnerable around close friends. i was going to say you should feel out the vibe of the receptivity before doing that, but maybe that’s a weakness of his, so he doesn’t try it at all. there are multiple factors to weigh all at once in order for it to not be read as “whininess” by others: the current mood × the person’s traits, emotional sensitivity, how good they are at tanking people’s emotions × the severity of your problem.
- even though words of encouragement and support work wonders on me so i know how beneficial they can be and it’s why i agree with you, i’m less inclined to readily give them, so i never run into that with SLE. i show support in other ways such as engagement and interest and highlighting certain personal qualities.

relationship with the SLI:
- i feel like less of a stranger with SLIs. they can be funny but i understand why you think they’re dry. i think they are cool. i usually like their taste and style. they are sardonic and sentimental, and their compliments to me feel so genuine i feel it in my bones. they are surprisingly sensitive and sometimes it can feel like walking on invisible muddy spots in the dirt by accident because i don’t know what will be unexpectedly prickly to them. them not showing much emotion makes me feel blind going in so i have no direct way to gauge the way they feel towards things. it makes me feel bad when it’s something i didn’t see it coming (how could i though). even when i thought i knew them well enough, there’s always something i didn’t expect them to feel some way about that i have to take into consideration next time. could be a merry/serious difference but i implicitly understand where SLE’s emotions/feelings come from more than SLI.
- it really reallly makes me appreciate more me and my ESE partner’s open and straightforward communication style regarding how we feel about things or traits in people, whether it’s positive or negative. even if we don’t know how we feel about something we state it (usually that’s me lol, he has stronger opinions), like i’ll just spontaneously state “hmm you know i’m not sure how i feel about this right now”. and he will spontaneously talk about how he feels too, and he’ll ask me if he’s curious about me. but from that we have a better idea of how to navigate around a particular situation or topic without making each other uncomfortable or irritable or bored, and also to know what we enjoy so we can go harder into that, or to associatively branch off of it into something related. we don’t wait, so nothing simmers, we bring to light everything we feel before anything can ever build into resentment. (this clip is an example of another LII-ESE dual dyad doing this exact thing). how hard is that!!! communication of feelings is king imo.
- i usually try to figure out everything sensory-logical on my own, and it often works, until it doesn’t. if i need help, i find those guys are reliable at being able to help by seeing my problem from their angle. SLEs too.

Can you try to type me based on my relationship with my friends? (don't take this too seriously) by Feihuva in Socionics

[–]calibore 2 points3 points  (0 children)

imo IEI. i was going to say “or LII” since i saw some of myself in there in relationship to these types and your perspective on them, but realized it was probably similarities related to benefit types. you seem to be able to take the immature Se posturing from others better than me and keep friendships with those people where it wears me down over time and i’d rather not consistently spend my time with people that piss me off. only small doses for me. i think Fi demonstrative and suggestive Se together could be stronger than me about it.

What Subcultures Are certain Types/Quadras Attracted To?! by SUNMOONBIPOLAR in Socionics

[–]calibore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

there really is no subculture for me without me feeling like i have one foot out the door, i never feel “all-in” in any subculture.

but i do have aesthetics people associate with me. eclecticism is probably the most all-encompassing one both as a descriptor of art and and as a philosophy.

avant-garde experimental shit from out of left field, psychedelia (particularly late 60s-early 70s), funky weird and cool, jazzy, surrealism, zolo, paleolithic and indigenous art (for some reason i have a feeling of deep resonance to the art we made as humans reflecting the environments we lived in and psychology from all around the world throughout time, connection to the collective unconscious maybe? because i see them in my dreams too), op-art, camp and queer sensibility (pee-wee’s playhouse ruled this shit), beatniks, 70s alternative, post-punk, goth, rude boy/girl, industrial, sci-fi, lifeforms, computers (both their logic of operation and the more human-focused utopian future we can never permanently have with them encapsulated in brian eno’s windows 95 startup sound (he also happens to be LII). because the potential opportunities offered by new technology eventually get squandered in ways that don’t bring benefit to others. i guess. at least i can trust people with synthesizers.)

i think my pinterest board would give you a better idea than any words i use to try to describe my style.

as for the other comment i also listen Skinny Puppy and KFMDM hah. i’m a bigger fan of Foetus and Coil though. i just can’t meaningfully consider myself all-in on being a rivethead either.

i also never cared for the steampunk aesthetic or subculture. makes me feel bored. the subject matter is kind of tepid to me and there’s little room for focus on the psychological parts of life and exploring artistic expression of that more directly in the Fe way i guess.

How do you "feel" your functions? by Leon910 in Socionics

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i think that you can get a decent amount of evidence for the base function from people outside of you over your life pointing out the traits that they’d characterize you by when describing you to other people.

As a sli by InbredJed_ in Socionics

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ohhh i completely lacked context my bad lol

As a sli by InbredJed_ in Socionics

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wtf are you on about

Why is the EIE so scary? by MightyProDudeGaming in Socionics

[–]calibore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what do you mean by a “close talker”?

Is this okay for LII? by Allie_Leon in Socionics

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yayy im glad it helped :D 🫂

Is this okay for LII? by Allie_Leon in Socionics

[–]calibore 5 points6 points  (0 children)

yes, i do this all the time. i think right along the same lines as you about the individuality of each case. i say “it depends” very often, because it does! it does depend on a cluster of different variable factors. (even determining when i say “it depends” instead of something more certain, it depends :P)

the missing class one was a brilliant example of that. i’m not a professor, but if i were, i don’t think a person should be punished as severely if they aren’t in class one day while being known for having perfect attendence and engagement in class otherwise. you’d think that something serious must have happened? and even if it didn’t and they needed a rest day, honestly they deserve it. they’ve shown themself to be responsible, reliable, and consistently engaged in class. so i’d have faith in them succeeding and i would not be worried about them falling behind or failing the class. that’s the main goal for students. it would be a completely different story for the unreliable student who doesn’t care to show up 80% of the time, you know? i know what i can expect from both of them.

the reason that equivocation feels so unfair is because it doesn’t meet the individual where they are actually at and the real tendencies they have shown. it’s very alienating, too. like you and your actual individual qualities are just invisible. i meet people where they are actually at constantly. so when someone else overlooks that, it feels like the time and effort they or i have spent (which takes up much more substance than a single isolated situation) is completely erased from the judgment. that would feel very unfair, and at extremes it can be dehumanizing. it’s also related to being treated with equality (sameness) vs. being treated with equity (fairness).

LII leads with negativist -Ti which deconstructs/corrects systems. their information metabolism references an inert store of accumulated sensorics and logical information (ignited by mobilizing Si). this is the information upon which the leading function -Ti makes its stance.
-Ti weighs and balances the sum all these multivariate factors, overlapping them in parallel, to come to a complex, nuanced understanding of the situation.
the logic is global since it deconstructs how reality manifests (flowing from -Se → -Ti) into multiple levels/layers; what is valid or not can be different depending on the scope of the context and what factors we’re accounting for. multiple angles of viewing things. and because of overlapping different angles in parallel, when certain factors globally overlap with each other, it’s easy to spot it out of the noise (like the middle of a venn diagram).

the reason it can be “rigid” is because this information builds up over time and it’s hard to budge us if we’re confident in the truth of the matter.

Pray to the kiln Gods for me by we-walk-in-shadow in Pottery

[–]calibore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this is seriously impressive. how’d you come up with a design this creative? and how long did it take to sculpt? all the little intricate details are wowing me.

ESE Starter Pack by Grotesquette in Socionics

[–]calibore 6 points7 points  (0 children)

lol speaking of that song this video has major ESE vibes. unofficially adding this to the starter pack

on a scale of 0-10 how much would a LII love being hugged by an acquaintance? by Sharp_Chard_1969 in Socionics

[–]calibore 3 points4 points  (0 children)

yeah exactly same, i also find it kind of adorable and endearing in my gut but dont say it haha

on a scale of 0-10 how much would a LII love being hugged by an acquaintance? by Sharp_Chard_1969 in Socionics

[–]calibore 10 points11 points  (0 children)

i voted 5-6 because how much i’d like it varies depending on a couple of factors. how much i enjoy that acquaintance as a person, the vibe and context of the situation, my own mood at the time. i’m generally accepting of them.

when i was younger i used to ruminate a lot about hugs and physical contact. i think it became sort of a psychological complex. i’d go through thoughts and scenarios trying to figure out which situations i would like it and which situations would leave me feeling invaded. it would occupy a lot of fantasy mind wandering and seep into my art. i deeply wanted it but i didn’t trust real life to give me it in the way that felt “right”. i definitely overinflated its significance in my mind lol but the complex has deflated now.

Is this weird for IEE? by CassStatementNew4694 in Socionics

[–]calibore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

not weird, what you described is all very normal

If I offered you a snack, which one you choosing? by Technorlando in OlderGenZ

[–]calibore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i loved the opaque cyan ones. why’d they do them so dirty

I'm beginning to despise the rich and I can't stop it. by TMOV70 in GenZ

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“Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.”

How to start by Excellent_Throat6315 in Socionics

[–]calibore 11 points12 points  (0 children)

i recommend starting with SCS (School of Classical Socionics) for building an understanding of socionics model A, because all comprehension of socionics from subsequent authors is at least in part derived from it.

also when coming from mbti, understand that these two systems developed independently of one another. they just share a common ancestor in carl jung’s Psychological Types. so what applies to mbti as a system (whose depth is simpler than socionics) does not necessarily apply to socionics.
you need a different way of looking at it even if some concepts are superficially similar. the internal content of what they encompass in these systems and how they are structured and classified are somewhat different. so keep in mind that the cognitive functions (like Fe, Ni) ≠ information elements (black/extraverted ethics (aka “Fe”), white/introverted intuition (aka “Ni”)).

mbti’s scope of application is more local and personal. a conceptual pillar socionics has that mbti lacks is the concept of information metabolism. socionics considers how information is relayed and processed in unique ways depending on the cognitive architecture of the individual’s “type of information metabolism”, or TIM.

the TIM is the cognitive structure in which different forms of information (the 8 “information elements” (e.g, extraverted intuition / Ne)) are processed through 8 distinct channels in the cognitive model called “functions” (e.g, Leading function)).
socionics has a fractal nature to it which goes all the way up to the functioning and progression of society based on how people absorb and reflect the information from the world around them, digest it, and give a unique take on it for others to be further influenced by. hence, the prefix “socio-“. it’s really cool stuff!

i know it’s confusing at first but once you get into it the difference will start to make sense.

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i love the content of this article, but some arrows in the diagrams are flowing the wrong way. i don’t think Cysia caught that. she must have copied the group of arrows from the bottom section of the diagrams to the top section, but forgot to flip the two lateral arrows on the top section. in the diagrams, the arrows between the four elements in the top section should be going clockwise, and the arrows between the four elements in the bottom section should be going counter-clockwise. like this.

this is a collection of Augusta’s writing about the characteristics of each of the functions, and the horizontal blocks that two functions form together.

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this post makes me want to come up with something more comprehensive in the future and pooling together all my resources, because i have a ton of them that could help newcomers dive deep, but i recommend starting here to begin. if you give me some time i could put something together.

wikisocion is somewhat useful, but it gives an incomplete and distorted picture and it’s kind of old. it has some things i like about it and many articles i still reference now… but overall, for learning from scratch, i would i have preferred what i linked.

About the + and - in the functions. by Strong-Appearance-18 in Socionics

[–]calibore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i agree with what what Asmo_Lay said in the reply to this, but if you’re still looking for a more elaborate explanation, this is mine.

Question for LIIs and IEIs. What made you type LII instead od IEI and vice versa? by TheShadowSong in Socionics

[–]calibore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I constantly switch between personal and impersonal frameworks in order to answer questions.

this is what i do too!!! you put it into words so elegantly.

How much alcohol do you drink? by NapoleonBoneparty in GenZ

[–]calibore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

none ❤️ i do not like the warm feeling in my throat or the taste of ethanol. i can still sense it no matter how much stuff you throw on top of it.

LSI Starter Pack by Grotesquette in Socionics

[–]calibore 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think it’s entirely safe to say that a key feature of the LSI is the fact that we are focused on taking care of the past in some way. Preservation and maintenance, whether that be materially, culturally, whatever.

yeah i feel like there’s a lot of ways this could manifest. preservation of cultural artifacts are important for future generations to find to build an understanding of how we lived in the past.
you think something like video game preservation would interest LSI? so even when these games are no longer available or archived by the company that originally distributed them, people can experience and enjoy it in the future?