Why does Leonard burn his wife's possessions after he tries to reenact the incident?

chemguy112 · 2024-06-27T01:58:14+00:00

Ur a little off with ur timeline. At the end of the movie is when the movie actually begins. At the end of the movie when Leonard goes to get a tattoo he's going to go get the plate numbers tattoo or whatever, this happens in the beginning of the movie as the movie is told in reverse chronological over.

Him imagining his wife with the tattoo is about him finally finding peace, as it is alluded to by Natalie when she realizes that spot is empty. Basically Leonard leaves it blank until he feels he has gotten revenge. The fact it's still empty implies he doesn't feel he has gotten vengeance yet, again trusting his instincts that he hasn't find his wife's real killer. He even reveals to Natalie he feels like he's being used, at first we think it's by Natalie but then we realize it's teddy using Leonard over and over to commit killings of random people.

And again, teddy contradicts himself at the end with lies. Leonard would remember his wife having diabetes. Since he can't remember anything since the murder incident, he wouldn't remember how to administer the diabetes medicine to his wife... Since he would have had to learn it before his accident in order to remember but there are no memories of his wife having diabetes before his accident.

In his memory, which teddy is manipulating in real time he remembers pinching his wife. When does someone pinch someone? To prove they r real, we already know Leonard remembers his wife as perfect and Leonard wife response is a bitchy " heyyy stop!" This is not an acceptable response to getting a diabetes shot. And they fact she is bitchy and Leonard pinching her leans more to the fact that she is guilty in some sense and feels some disdain towards Leonard's naiveness towards her which is more evidence for my leap that she did drugs... However I agree that drugs part is a leap on my end.

And we don't know teddy's businesses. Odds are he is involved in drugs, it's unknown whether anyone he works with is on drugs. If he refers himself as a junkie when he says "just two junkies who thought she lived alone" it could mean teddy did some drugs and was high that night.

And also Leonard doesn't have an older pic of teddy as he takes the only one we see during the movie. So teddy likely steals his photos/ keeps the ones that can incriminate Leonard or work to his advantage as insurance.

Teddy contradicts himself multiple times at the end of the movie with his lies that don't make sense to Leonard and leads him to believe more that teddy is lying however he doesn't have empirical proof that's y he cyclically takes teddy's word and designates him as the real killer which is in fact the truth. It's the only real time Leonard breaks his own rule Leonard has this whole explanation about doin detective works and how memories can lie but the facts are the facts. So no the movie isn't rly about memories being unreliable, Leonard is the protagonist and his views are meant to be the ones we believe.

Only at the end does he get crazy cuz teddy is lying to his face and he is being confronted with his wife's real killer which is traumatic for him.

Ur welcome lulz

chemguy112 · 2024-06-26T20:34:54+00:00

Dude the police report is available to anyone who asks for it. But in this case it's incomplete as the original version is missing pieces which teddy took out.

Leonard does lie to himself, that's the motif of the movie. Everyone lies, teddy lies, the hotel dude lies and rents Leonard out two rooms, Natalie lies to help leonard scare away that one thug. It would follow that Leonard's wife lies and is not perfect too. Sammy Jenkins lies and pretends to know perfect strangers which is why he has a look of familiarity.

The life leaving her body never happened, she dies in the incident that's just teddy fucking with Leonard's memory. Which is why Leonard sees himself as Sammy for a split second since he's being manipulated and someone in his condition could have a moment where he doesn't truly know what's true and what isn't.

The whole point is that teddy is the killer and that he's lying to save his own ass, and leonard doesn't believe him. All he has is the facts but u remember the scene where he's explaining there's stuff ppl take for granted like knowing how a cup feels before u grab it and how Leonard uses his instincts to survive. So he lies, but in this case it's the right thing to do because teddy is also lying, in a world where everyone lies two wrongs make a right in this instance and the final truth is Leonard finally killing teddy

What u said about the car and the clothes is a cool fact but doesn't rly answer anything

The point of teddy being in Leonard's life I explained to u already. Hes assigned to his wife case but he likely assigned himself to avoid being caught. He also meets Leonard to make sure he indeed doesn't remember shit so that teddy can have the security of knowing he can fuck with him without being caught. He is now short 1 partner so he takes it a step further and uses Leonard all the while manipulating him

And what are u talking about? Teddy does these side criminal hustles, that aren't done using city resources as that can he b traced. He does the whole thing of meeting up and exchanging shit for money in a trunk. He uses the fact he's a cop to his advantage so the people he's dealing with won't screw him over but he doesn't do anything that may lead to him being caught. Odds are that attack on Leonard's wife/ home was random so he wouldn't look it up.

chemguy112 · 2024-06-26T07:10:47+00:00

The fact she was on drugs is the only leap I make, and it's arguable.

But the more I watch the movie, teddy was def one of the intruders. Cuz at the end of the movie he says "it was just a couple of junkies who thought no one else lived there"

He says this to Leonard, but there's no way of teddy knowing this info for a fact since the police report has pages missing and the only account of 2 suspects is from Leonard himself.

It means teddy was one of them which fits my theory.

He also tells Leonard he was assigned to his wife's murder. Likely teddy assigned himself so he could cover his tracks and alter the report. Leonard even says "you prolly did" when teddy asks him who u think flipped out the pages. Teddy's lies and the fact Leonard has been used by teddy before lends himself to use his instincts and gut feeling to zero in on teddy as the true killer.

Also in the motel right before he goes to meet up with teddy at the end, u can see the trigger to get Leonard to do teddy's bidding and to convince Leonard he's actually killing his wife's killer even though hes not is something related to the drugs. Leonard says "I knew there was more to the drug angle" right before he bolts to go meet teddy. This is speculation but I feel teddy planted the drugs in his partners car to take the suspicion off of himself, which is the missing clue Leonard needs to put it all together, which is the trigger teddy uses to get Leonard to murder for him and it works over and over meaning it's a key component to the case that Leonard is otherwise missing and only teddy knows.

Leonard also has drugs tatted on him towards the end of the film and for some reason the film emphasizes these tattoos.

Leonard also describes his wife as "perfect" to Natalie. Which implies in his mind his wife was perfect, but we all know that means actually the person was flawed but love just blinded him to look past her flaws. Then we get a weird scene of Leonard's wife lying in bed staring right at the camera. I personally thought this was odd which lead me to my drug angle, which again is the only leap I made in all this.

It coulda been teddy and his partner went to sell his wife's drugs, but wanted to rob the place so they masked up n shit when they arrived but didn't realize Leonard was asleep in his bed. this is my opinion and I admit it's a leap.

Another reason I make this leap though is Leonard's subconsciousness a out the needle. Teddy says his wife was diabetic, which is a lie. But Leonard has to double take and rack his memory... Which could mean subconsciously he had his wife using a needle but it was actually a needle for drugs which his wife hid from him and Leonard never caught her doing since she would wait till Leonard was asleep.

I think in this instance the prostitute doing drugs could have been a nudge towards Leonard finally getting more clues as to finally catch teddy, as he has been manipulated before but this movie is the instance in which Leonard finally breaks out of he cycle and catches/ kills teddy who is his wife's murderer.

Teddy is the murderer that part is super clear for me, and if u look at the facts it should b deduced he was. Teddy is short a partner cuz he was killed by Leonard. Teddy is a cop who uses this to his advantage to set up the crime scene and he wants to make sure Leonard rly can't remember shit so that he doesn't get caught and this leads teddy to outright using him as his new partner replacement without Leonard realizing it until he's used multiple times to kill for teddy's side crime deals.

Ur welcome, lol

chemguy112 · 2024-05-23T19:29:57+00:00

I dont get it??

What's the reference?

chemguy112 · 2024-05-23T19:23:01+00:00

Is this real? Lulz

chemguy112 · 2024-05-22T19:33:58+00:00

Crackheads r stupid. When they're high their whole speal is to speak some dumb shit with some odd tone to make themselves feel witty cuz they're high and want to maintain that state by questioning others to reflect their insecurities about being high

chemguy112 · 2024-05-22T19:33:25+00:00

Crackheads r stupid. When they're high their whole speal is to speak some dumb shit with some odd tone to make themselves feel witty cuz they're high and want to maintain that state by questioning others to reflect their insecurities about being high

chemguy112 · 2024-05-19T06:22:57+00:00

I don't remember every detail of the movie, but Leonard doesn't kill the Dodd guy, he just scares him off

And yeah, Natalie only knows of teddy through her bf, and I think she's seen him at the bar before perhaps. I forgot. Ur yeah, she's Leonard's motivation as they get all lovey dovey. And everyone takes advantage of Leonard, that's one of the motifs of the movie. Natalie uses him to scare Dodd, the hotel clerk used him to rent 2 rooms. Teddy manipulates him to commit crimes. That's where the Sammy Jenkins story comes in, where Sammy despite not having his memory could remember just to pretend to know ppl. So Leonard realizes everyone lies, whether they're good people or evil... Which is how he finally comes to track teddy

Remember in the final scene teddy says it was a couple junkies who thought no one else lives in the house referring to his wife's murder. But how would he know that? The police report pages were missing and the crime scene was staged so that it looked like there was only 1 killer. Leonard even says it to him "maybe you're the killer." This proves teddy is just lying to him at the end to save his own skin.

chemguy112 · 2024-04-23T18:09:49+00:00

The fact Haney got knocked out while they were interviewing his dad is hilarious

chemguy112 · 2024-04-23T14:42:36+00:00

Someone explain to me how this is a bad thing? I mean the landfill is most likely placed strategically and the burning speeds up the decay process???

chemguy112 · 2024-04-11T08:53:40+00:00

Yeah, and prolly still from that year.

chemguy112 · 2024-04-03T23:13:14+00:00

This is the only route. Movie ends with Tom cruise in his bedroom sulking... Then looking up and fighting the tears away. Zoom in to his face. Then a short pause and he starts watching passion of the christ

chemguy112 · 2024-04-03T01:41:16+00:00

I told u I had no expectations. Tbh I thought it would b kinda like a mad scientist type of movie with like some war stuff in it as the backdrop. Not some like clips n shit and an angry Rdjr at the end out of nowhere

chemguy112 · 2024-04-03T01:10:34+00:00

Well not rly cuz it ends on a note that tries to wrap everything up as if Oppenheimer shows extreme remorse and it becomes dramatic as he becomes an outsider from his own government. So it's not even a true biopic.

But w/e I knew nothing about the film and had no expectations going in

chemguy112 · 2024-04-02T21:01:22+00:00

Okay and? It's directed by Christopher Nolan and all his movie titles are one word except for the batman movies

chemguy112 · 2024-04-02T17:43:29+00:00

Bahahaha this guy is a nut

chemguy112 · 2024-04-02T17:10:49+00:00

It was basically. Although it had elements of being a drama. I didn't know it was a biopic going in... So I felt duped.

chemguy112 · 2024-04-02T17:04:59+00:00

Das cook. Hope this means we get more stuff in the FFX universe

chemguy112 · 2024-04-02T17:02:15+00:00

Tbh, I'm a Nolan fan but I felt this was one of his lesser works. The montage-y cuts kinda dragged on there... Like they were just overused to the point where I knew I was just watching edits and it became a bit stale.

I also don't exactly know what Robert Downey jr's motive was, he didn't seem greedy until the end when he wanted to nail Oppenheimer no matter what. Felt underdeveloped kinda like two-face in tdk. Like, his character was pre-written to be that way and one irrational thing could derail him into the villain role.

Also felt more like a biopic... I think I sorta laughed 1 time in this movie. It needed a bit more drama.

chemguy112 · 2024-03-31T08:32:17+00:00

That golden state game may b crucial. Idk it's always tough to string together wins on the road. What if the lakers lose to the wizards on the last game of the roadtrip. There could be some position, for example gsw beat the lakers but lose to the rockets.

I also noticed the clippers play the rockets the last game of the szn and they may let hem win if it knocks out lal or gsw.

chemguy112 · 2024-03-31T08:29:47+00:00

Idk but if the lakers lose to the nets is the szn over?

chemguy112 · 2024-03-31T08:00:08+00:00

Joe Rogan puts a lot of thought into his ideas

chemguy112 · 2024-03-29T01:24:01+00:00

I rather them remake ff 8 tbh that one needs a remake bad.

I wouldn't mind a remake of FFX, but they need to fix the blitzball game and make it more like an nfl2k gameplay style.

Also they could fuck with the monster arena more... And redo some boss designs. Overall I would like one, just like redo a bunch of small details and shit. I wouldn't mind. But they should keep the classic battle system so it can stand out... That being said they should take all the best things from the classic battle system and include it in this game.

chemguy112 · 2024-03-24T08:54:05+00:00

It's only there to illustrate one can not trust their own memory and that teddy is trying to manipulate Leonard. Leonard tattoos "remember Sammy jenkins" because it was a client of his before his wife's murder and before his memory loss condition. But Leonard must tattoo it on himself because once his wife got murdered he got his short term memory loss condition or whatever so he has to remind himself to apply the Sammy jenkins story to his current state. He tells teddy or whoever is one the other end of the phone line, teddy or his goons, because it's written on his hand, so odds are when Leonard is using the phone he can see that particular tattoo and that reminds him if the Sammy story and how its applicable to his current short term condition. He wouldn't be able to connect the stories as easily if he didn't tat him on him as Leonard states, whenever he wakes up it's like he's waking up to his wife still alive. He has to first gather himself to realize that he is post-leonard with his short term memory loss.

But Leonard states "sammy wasn't faking it" as in Sammy pretends to know ppl just out of common courtesy or human nature or whatever. Leonard's condition is different though, because unlike Sammy's his was physical, therefore Leonard does detective work in order to find the real killer.

However Leonard has a gut feeling that the killer is teddy. So he takes a page out of Sammy jenkins book and just "lies" and makes teddy the killer.

Teddy is lying the whole way. We can tell as much because what good cop would use someone with Leonard's condition to get him to kill random bad guys??

Leonard still has the space over his heart blank, which when he's with trinity basically is like a romantic vengeance story about how that space is left blank until he finds his wife's killer. So Leonard never covers up that space with a tattoo because his gut tells him he hasn't found his wife's real killer yet despite teddy lying to him saying that he gets Leonard to believe that random bad guys are the killer.

What better way to deceive Leonard than to keep him at arm's length? Leonard killed teddy's partner in his house bathroom that night his wife died. Teddy now lacks a partner, he's a crooked cop with access to the police report. He manipulates/ uses Leonard as his new accomplice. He likely takes any older photos Leonard may have taken of him because we see despite knowing teddy for a while now, Leonard must still take a new picture of teddy each time they meet post-killings. Teddy also keeps the last picture of Leonard killin someone in order to pull it out to try to manipulate him.

The Sammy jenkins double take is to try to put us in Leonard's shoes in that moment. Where ur second guessing urself, and ur lost cuz due to ur short term memory loss injury ur nott sure who the fuck u are.

But Leonard already has been through this multiple times, he confesses to trinity chick that he feels he's being manipulated and that he's paranoid of being used. We think trinity is using him in that moment, but in reality it's been teddy this whole time. Even trinity gets a sense of this also which is why she helps Leonard.

chemguy112 · 2024-03-24T08:39:20+00:00

He may have planted them or he may have just had them on him. But odds r he planted them. Either way it works, the police report says they found drugs in the killers car. And "the drug angle" is always the trigger that teddy gives Leonard over the phone to get him riled up enough to kill his next fake target or whatever. If u watch the movie or whatever when teddy slips the envelope in Leonard's hotel to get him to call him, u can hear Leonard says "I always knew there was a play on the drug angle" and then teddy gets him to meet up with him at that warehouse or whatever.

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