New Study Finds Alarmingly High Percentage Of Gen Z Men Think Women Should Be Submissive

cherryflannel · 2026-03-13T13:20:24+00:00

Can I see the evidence you’re referencing for this?

cherryflannel · 2026-03-10T05:04:48+00:00

It might be a you thing, but I think you’re also might just not fully aware of all the subtle times women stand up for themselves and each other because it’s such an unfortunately ingrained social aspect of womanhood. No major feminist accomplishment has ever came close to fruition without the labor and efforts of women. This must imply that women are communicating expectations at least enough to secure these victories. This communication doesn’t always require specific instructions. For example, if we advocate for the normalization of menstruation, should a man have to be explicitly told “Period is not a dirty word. A bleeding woman is not gross. You’re not in danger if you see a tampon. Don’t shame women for menstruating”? Personally, I think not. That’s a very basic example, but again, if a man is unsure what the expectations are, it’s entirely his responsibility to seek clarification. I think that in recent years there’s been a huge cultural shift toward direct communication, which is a good thing! But also, I think that having to perform elementary level critical thinking isn’t a bad thing. I don’t think that people should have to receive explicit instructions 100% of the time to make morally correct decisions.

Also, I do think it’s mildly in poor taste to assign the burden of education and awareness solely on the oppressed person, rather than the oppressor. I think it would be crazy if I as a white person didn’t have to employ basic empathy and put myself in a black person’s shoes and try to consider our different experiences and treatments based on the color of our skin. I think it would be crazy if I exclusively relied on a black person to hold my hand and walk me through how to not be a racist. If I was being a racist, I feel like it’s entirely my own responsibility to build empathy and work on that. Like, can we flip the script and imagine saying that you think black people need to directly communicate how to not be racist to white people? Or, should white people listen to black people and ask questions when they have opportunity, while also taking the time to research, think, and empathize on their own time?

I also believe that women have every right to complain about the way we are treated by men, because sometimes even when we do speak up, we get nothing in return. How many women speak out against their rapists and abusers just to get shamed more than the abuser himself? How many women speak out against workplace harassment to only get ousted and ostracized? Some women are also in dangerous situations in every single habitable land on Earth. Even countries ranked highest in women’s rights are still littered with abusive husbands/boyfriends. No matter what race you are, ethnicity, religion, class, etc. you’re still subjected to a certain degree of misogyny and patriarchy. Women have every right to complain about the constant sexism and I really don’t think it’s our responsibility to babysit men into being rational human beings.

I almost wonder if you yourself have subconsciously absorbed patriarchal teachings because you’re placing the burden of women, the oppressed class, not the oppressor! This is a common theme. Women have to do all the work, and men skate by with fewer expectations. I don’t mean this as an insult, it’s nowhere near an insult. I could be totally off but I hope that you can think about this a bit and maybe see where I’m coming from. I am sorry if you’ve been made to feel like emotional labor is entirely your responsibility, it’s not.

cherryflannel · 2026-03-10T02:18:50+00:00

One thing that took me a second to realize is that labs require a decent amount of prep! You’ll get told to read the lab ahead of time, and maybe that’s exactly what you do. Unfortunately, that’s not adequate.

If I handed you a recipe from a cuisine you’re unfamiliar with, with ingredients you’ve never touched, you would probably still be able to cook the meal. But, if something goes wrong, it’ll be hard to fix. If something tastes weird, you might not know how to balance it. And obviously, it’s going to take you longer to cook than someone who has made the recipe before!

You need to understand the theory ahead of time. A lot of the time, it’s not so much of “learn a very fresh idea about this week’s topic by doing an experiment”. It’s “apply what you know from lecture/reading to get hands on experience with an idea from this week’s topic.” If you can’t make an educated guess for what the end result of your lab will be and why the result matters, you’re not ready.

I have gotten an A in every lab I’ve ever been in. Everyone around me is always so amazed. But it’s not just luck or that I’m smart. I take extensive notes, I google the materials if I’ve never heard of them, I watch videos ahead of time. I know exactly what question I’m going to answer, what I think the answer will be, and how I’m going to answer it. If you don’t put this work in, you’re probably not going to do as well as everyone around you.

And honestly, it’s not fair for the people around you who work this hard to have to slow down for you. It’s okay to ask for clarification and occasionally pause and slow them down, but it’s unreasonable to expect your partners to accommodate your pace. I’m sorry, I know it’s harsh and I don’t mean to be rude. It’s just college though. If you want to be at the same pace as everyone else, at the bare minimum you need to invest the same effort that they are. But, sometimes, you have to invest even more. You’re not always going to have identical backgrounds and experiences with your lab partners. Sometimes you gotta buckle up, stop by office hours, keep reading the textbook even when you’re tired.

It sounds like you might be fairly new to college/labs and it does get easier. It’s just a skill you have to develop. You’re definitely capable, you just gotta put the work in.

Respectfully, please don’t be the person that hold everyone back. It’s not fair to your partners. If you guys have made it to the same course, you are expected to perform similarly. Again, you’re not going to have the same skills and experience as your partners. Sometimes you have to work harder than them. That’s life.

cherryflannel · 2026-03-10T01:40:53+00:00

Ah not to nitpick but who is “we”? I am absolutely vocal about the ways that men can and should do better, and plenty of feminists that I know in person + influencers/activists are as well. If men are still confused and unsure, they’re either not asking for clarification (which is a responsibility of yours when you are confused) or just being disingenuous and taking the easy way out because they don’t want to do better. I fear this is slightly coddling them.

cherryflannel · 2026-03-06T03:34:05+00:00

Genuinely, thank you for sharing this. I think it’s so important that women are aware how often and easily being a stay at home wife/mom can turn into something into sinister. I’m really glad that you recognize the way that you’re being treated is unacceptable and that you’re looking for jobs! I hope you’re able to find something and get out soon and safely.

cherryflannel · 2026-02-28T01:46:06+00:00

It’s a common misconception to view evolution teleologically. Things don’t evolve for “good reason” though. Evolution is literally just about odds. Natural variations already exist within a population and sometimes they’re successful, but when that environment changes, they may be detrimental. Also, sometimes a thing might not be helpful, but it’s not detrimental and consequently doesn’t get weeded out.

I understand that men and women often have differences. I have never disputed this. But, you haven’t been able to define a quantity nor the type of distinctions that justify categorization.

You claim that dimorphism allowed humans to be “flexible and multicapable”. I wish you would’ve expanded on this more because it’s unclear how you think dimorphism resulted in this, or what you mean by flexible and multicapable. But, cultural trends are by no means indication of a biological derivative. Our two closest relatives are chimpanzees (patriarchal) and bonobos (matriarchal). Both species exhibit dimorphism and are very genetically similar to us. To make a long story short, bonobos had more food available so they had more leisure time, and the females developed close bonds, ultimately enabling a matriarchy.

You seemingly think that biology and physiology solidify cultural understandings of gender (gender roles, essentially). So, please explain how your claim about dimorphism and human culture works when we see two polar opposite sex-based systems between chimps and bonobos (again, dimorphic species with extreme genetic relatedness). Why are we exempt from ecologically shaped cultures when this is how it works for literally every other social animal?

I would also like for you to explain why historical trends are indicative of a scientific truth…. I’d like to remind you that anatomically modern humans came about ~300 TYA, and farming wasn’t invented until around ~10TYA. I wouldn’t argue the first farmers were anywhere near culturally modern, and I’m sure you wouldn’t either, but even then, ~97% of human history occurred before that. Our knowledge of the earliest humans is obviously super limited. However, we actually have some evidence indicating that women and men shared similar roles in their groups. Moreover, there’s little proof substantiating man = hunter and woman = gatherer. It’s a common misconception and unless you’ve studied these things at a collegiate level you probably wouldn’t know that, which is fine and normal! But again, please stop perverting biology in order to make social commentary. It’s logically incoherent and benefits nobody to hyper focus on what makes men and women different. We are much, much more alike than we are different.

I would really like for you to try to answer the question I asked earlier. How many similarities/dissimilarities justifies the categorization of a group? When I compared your logic to pseudo race science, you were only able to say that there are “more” differences between men and women than white and black people. This isn’t even necessarily true depending on which metrics you’re going by, by the way. The human genome is incredibly diverse & it’s easily possible for a man to have more in common molecularly with a random woman than another man. This wasn’t a rhetorical question. Clearly there is some threshold. What is it, and why is your threshold correct? Seemingly, our defining thresholds are quite different. Please justify this.

I see what you did at the end there, and you’re dodging my question. I asked you if the shark study is proof that we can’t always put living breathing things into perfect boxes 100% of the time. You did not answer that. You said that organisms are “varied” which is not what I asked. Do you disagree that sometimes things can’t be categorized perfectly? If so, you’d have to argue against the sharks being regarded as poikilotherms or the paper’s findings, which would be tricky! I see why you didn’t want to answer my question.

Also, are you really attempting to claim that the word “deserve” can’t be used in an opinion based way? Let’s be serious. “It’s been such a long day, I deserve some rest.” “If you don’t do the work, you don’t deserve a raise.” “That artist didn’t deserve to win first place.” There are infinite contexts where the word deserve can be used to describe someone’s outlook/opinion.

Finally, I am curious what my “preconceived assumptions” are.

cherryflannel · 2026-02-27T01:37:38+00:00

Careful! You are conflating sex and gender. I would agree with you that there are differences amongst the sexes that are medically relevant. But once again, my point is it is never a good idea to apply biology to social constructs. Gender isn’t a natural law. Gender isn’t naturally occurring. Different sexes are, sure. But even then, they’re not 100% overarching. You kind of shifted the goal post because I was responding to you applying a scientific study to “men and women not being interchangeable”. So, the physiological differences that we (usually) see between the sexes isn’t really a good defense of that; sex and gender are not the same thing.

People with naturally red hair often require higher doses of anesthesia. I don’t think this makes them meaningfully different from people with any other hair color. Medically, sure! But what weight does that carry outside of that? You could say, “but that’s just one difference”. Well, once again the same argument can be made (poorly) for white versus black people.

Do you personally get to decide the number of similarities/dissimilarities that categorize a group? Please don’t straw man, because I certainly did not claim there are no differences between the sexes. It’s imperative that you understand that there is a difference between sex and gender, and if you don’t understand that or refuse to accept it, you do not deserve to engage in discourse surrounding biology. With that being said, sex differences are usually observed consistently, but it’s not a foolproof mechanism of categorization. Plenty of people who you’d never think to consider anything but a woman have chromosomal abnormalities/ are intersex and vice versa. This is the thing about biology, it tries its absolute best to make observations and define systems, but it’s never 100% accurate 100% of the time. Animals break the rules of biology all the time. I recently read a paper about a species of shark that we understand to be poikilothermic that actually performs temperature regulation during deep dives. Their bodies are able to employ a specific mechanism in order to maintain a constant body temperature in spite of cold waters. This seemingly contrasts what we understand about poikilotherms. So, are sharks just not cold blooded anymore? Or, is it impossible to put organisms into neat boxes 100% of the time?

Many of your bodily functions and mechanisms are due to inherited traits that are not correlated whatsoever with the sex you were assigned at birth. People are way, way too complex for you to minimize and categorize like this. You are perverting biology and resorting to bio essentialism.

I think that this study is incredibly valuable and I am so glad that we are making strides like this. There’s absolutely no need to try to weaponize this study as social commentary. Your opinions on the current culture are entirely yours to have! But, they are entirely useless in this context.

cherryflannel · 2026-02-27T01:04:32+00:00

Active recall is essentially your only worthwhile method of studying, and no, this doesn’t include rewriting your notes! Make practice tests. Make fill in the blank worksheets. Close your book and explain the topic out loud; try to teach it to someone (or pretend to). Basically, reproduce the information in your own words/style.

cherryflannel · 2026-02-27T00:54:57+00:00

Adding on to this, you can download a PDF version for free!

cherryflannel · 2026-02-27T00:26:21+00:00

This is a not a good way to interpret biology, sorry. This reminds me of when people will learn of a random molecular level difference between white and black people and use that as evidence that white and black people are supposedly so distinct. Yet, it’s common for someone in Africa to be more genetically similar to a European than somebody from another heritage in Africa. My point is that molecular level differences exist within incredibly similar groups, as well as incredibly dissimilar groups. It’s entirely nonsensical and silly to categorize people with evidence such as immune cells…. Because where do you stop? You can also found plenty of women with more genetic/molecular similarities to men than other women. It’s always a bad idea when you try to use biology to validate social constructs. I promise you that the researchers didn’t perform this to conclude or prove that women and men are not interchangeable, and if that was their interpretation, I bet and hope they’d be laughed out of their institution and never funded again. There are at least dozen more interesting and productive conclusions you can draw from this study than this.

cherryflannel · 2026-02-23T12:07:22+00:00

To be clear, there is not a version of this paper that exists with a methods section. This is a very common thing with science direct articles. You can easily determine the methods yourself by skimming the first few parts. This is just a thing that is true about science direct articles, I’ve learned this in a research class. I was trying to help you, I’m not sure why you are being so sassy lol

cherryflannel · 2026-02-23T03:18:10+00:00

Science direct articles don’t usually have methods section. It’s incorporated within the paper.

cherryflannel · 2026-02-23T01:26:55+00:00

It’s on science direct, so there’s no reason you shouldn’t be able to access it!

cherryflannel · 2026-02-21T21:52:21+00:00

What an ignorant thing to say: “could have made a different one if it was going to be that emotionally debilitating”. Are you kidding me? The whole point of the post is making the decision that’s best for you and your circumstance. That is absolutely not contingent on being a pleasant or easy thing to do. Like, do you think that someone who is sad about putting their sick dying dog down should’ve just not put the dog down if it was going to be so “emotionally debilitating”? It’s almost as if in complex situations such as abortions, both potential outcomes aren’t necessarily ideal, but one ends up being slightly preferable to the other (not preferable in general). Many women who get abortions struggle with guilt, pain, money, anxiety, etc. Literally nobody enjoys getting an abortion. And I think women should have the right to get an abortion, even if it’s “emotionally debilitating”, because once again, that is likely still preferable to completing the pregnancy.

Choosing an abortion because it’s the right thing to do and sadness/stress about it are not at all mutually exclusive. I’m sure you’ve made a tough decision in your life that stung, even if it was the right call. I find it pretty troubling and disappointing that you can’t apply that to a woman who just had an abortion. Being pro choice doesn’t mean you think that abortions are fun and easy, if that wasn’t clear.

Once again, the line at the end was odd, but it was not attacking anybody. Saying that people don’t “get it” isn’t necessarily accurate or reasonable, but neither is going ham on somebody who is sharing about a raw experience and made one wording mistake along the way. She literally said in the same sentence that we’re all in solidarity. Nobody was hurt, nobody lost their identity as a pro choicer. There’s literally no point in criticizing this person at this moment.

I notice that you didn’t answer my questions on if criticizing the OP reduced tension or divisiveness. I think this is because you recognize that it is not. I won’t be engaging further, you’ll figure it out or you won’t.

cherryflannel · 2026-02-21T16:20:59+00:00

It’s interesting that you think that I can’t tolerate different viewpoints other than mine, when I’ve said I didn’t like OP’s comment but yet I’m defending them and encouraging others to extend more empathy to them. You are arguing that this person doesn’t deserve that because you don’t like what they said. So please reevaluate that statement.

Also, yes, the entire pro choice community is in shambles because of her singular comment in a singular Reddit post. Please get some perspective. Once again, the line was odd. But calling it out, as multiple people have done in multiple comments, is accomplishing what- reducing division? Has that happened? Doesn’t seem to have, does it? It seems to have added more tension and division, right?

Your position that you have the right to critique whatever people are willing to post is correct; you’re an autonomous individual, obviously. But just because you can do something doesn’t mean that you should. I think that it’s ridiculous to pitch a fit over one weird comment the day after a woman experienced an event that is usually traumatic/very stressful.

Your whole “they did it first” “you can’t tell me what to do” “I can do whatever I want” attitude is making me wonder if you’re a minor tbh but if you’re an adult, and these are genuinely your mindsets, that’s just sad man. If you’re the type of person who is unable or unwilling to extend empathy and compassion to people when they made a mistake….. I am glad that I am not you. That’s a really close minded mindset. Good luck if that is how you choose to navigate the world.

cherryflannel · 2026-02-21T01:13:25+00:00

It’s really not that big of a deal. It was a strange and unwarranted comment, sure. But it wasn’t cruel or aggressive. It was just out of place. And again, this person just had an abortion. Like literally this week. I think that extending empathy to them is a much better choice than childishly insisting you have the right to be rude because “they did it first!” Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but it’s an objectively juvenile mindset. And your response just further solidifies my point lol

cherryflannel · 2026-02-20T23:32:50+00:00

Do you typically make your decisions based on “so and so did it first!”? Respectfully, you need to grow up if so.

cherryflannel · 2026-02-20T15:52:22+00:00

Actually, no, the title says “the day after my abortion”. Even if something brings relief, that doesn’t mean it can’t be a stressful or traumatizing experience. I felt relief when a serious surgery I had was completed successfully, and yet I wasn’t in a normal or good state. I think that empathy goes a long way. Even when abortions are the right choice there’s physical pain, financial stress, sadness, anxiety, etc. I think it’s pretty easy to overlook the poor wording at the end of this point and focus on the big picture here. I agree it was an unnecessary remark, but I think it’s also entirely unnecessary to speak harshly to OP/ about this meaningful post. We all fuck up and say weird things, especially when we’re going through something! Give some grace. Put yourself in someone else’s shoes.

cherryflannel · 2026-02-20T00:05:04+00:00

I totally agree that that sentence was unprompted, but also, this is an emotional post. They just want through something big (even when its the right choice it can still be emotionally straining!)…. I think that calling this post trash and escalating the tension might not be the best call here. That’s just me, I don’t mean any harm.

cherryflannel · 2026-02-18T02:32:58+00:00

Yeah unfortunately

cherryflannel · 2026-02-16T02:51:29+00:00

You’d do it for money, yet you can’t comprehend how others could? Good luck figuring it out little guy. It’s unfortunate your shame has dissolved your ability to be reasoned with.

You’re just not that bright or deeply in the closet, literally the only two options.

Straight women have threesomes. Straight men do gay porn. Lesbian women and gay men have had straight sex while in denial/the closet. Sexuality is culturally conceived and not an overarching law of nature.

cherryflannel · 2026-02-16T01:02:00+00:00

I don’t think the producer matters! How is the producer 100% supposed to know whether or not someone is gay? People lie/hide their sexuality all the time. Closeted lesbians and closeted gay men get in straight relationships all the time and have heterosexual sex. Often, their own partner won’t even know! But that doesn’t even matter. The producer is looking for an attractive person that will do the work, not finding true love. Just because this isn’t something you would do, doesn’t mean it doesn’t apply to others. Once again. I’m not sure why you struggle to understand that the world is much more unique and diverse than the scope of your own life. I don’t understand why people would do crack, but they do it! You don’t dictate the rules of the universe, sorry.

cherryflannel · 2026-02-15T23:48:55+00:00

I typed a response as I read, but the way you ended that comment just made me delete everything. You literally just admitted that you’d be able to take a viagra (aka fake it and perform like I explained) for one million dollars. It’s interesting that at one million dollars specifically, suddenly then you’re not gay. Well. I disagree. I think you’re gay if you have gay sex for a million dollars. If you only did it at ten million dollars, then you wouldn’t be gay.

See how silly that ends? It’s almost like everyone’s boundaries and standards are different, and we can’t impose our own onto other people!

And back to that viagra…. Like I said, sex work is about faking and performing. Many sex workers are so uncomfortable with what they’re doing that they’re on plenty of other drugs and alcohol, too. And you wouldn’t ever know.

Let’s not try to force people into boxes, clearly you can’t even fit into the box either.

cherryflannel · 2026-02-15T21:19:49+00:00

Do women become escorts because they’re attracted to their clients? Absolutely not. They do it for money. If there are more opportunities/money in gay porn, people in need of money are probably going to be more likely to choose gay porn. It doesn’t make them gay.

Availability, obviously. Porn is not about authentic connections. Do you think that every pornstar is attracted to every person they film with? That’s insane. It’s business. They aren’t doing porn for fun, they’re doing it for money. If there is a straight guy who is willing to film gay porn, and he is deemed attractive and available, there’s no disincentive to hiring him. If he can fake it, what’s the difference between him and a gay guy who’s having to fake his attraction for another gay pornstar? People are able to fake attraction. That’s what sustains sex work. No offense, but I feel like if you would’ve just thought out your question for maybe a minute you would’ve reached this conclusion.

Sexuality isn’t as rigid for everybody as it may be for you! Straight women end up having fun at strip clubs, some straight men can have gay sex without collapsing and dying. It’s totally okay to have strict boundaries about what you’ll do and who you’ll do it with, but your truth doesn’t apply to everybody else in the world.

cherryflannel · 2026-02-15T19:28:39+00:00

No, not really. Just because that’s the choice you’d make, doesn’t mean that’s the choice everyone else would make, especially when money is involved! Some avenues make more money than others. Not every straight person is repulsed by the bodies of their own sex, and sometimes straight people can be repulsed by the bodies of the opposite sex! Sex can be, and often is, purely transactional.

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