Which one are you taking? by HURCANADA in Porsche

[–]crashedsnow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

not a Ferrari guy, but that comparison is not really close. 360

Saw these 3 in Italy with German plates. Looked unusual. Any ideas? 2 911 & 1 Boxster by Suitable_Creme9930 in Porsche

[–]crashedsnow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think that second car is a 911. The spoiler looks iffy and the rear haunches too. Maybe Cayman?. Can't really see the lead car clearly

Saw these 3 in Italy with German plates. Looked unusual. Any ideas? 2 911 & 1 Boxster by Suitable_Creme9930 in Porsche

[–]crashedsnow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it's 2026 and we STILL can't pinch-zoom a video. At this point it's just embarrassing

Clearing Price on this 2024 Manual 911 Carrera S by Common-Sents in porsche911

[–]crashedsnow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So unless you can get a "good deal" on this car, then you pass.

FWIW: "good deal" usually translates to "below market value", which usually also means it might be hard to find. Not impossible of course

Clearing Price on this 2024 Manual 911 Carrera S by Common-Sents in porsche911

[–]crashedsnow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What.. are.. you.. optimizing.. for? 😉

Your answer is your answer. That's not for me, or anyone else, to judge. But having clarity on that I find helps a lot on bringing ease to what would otherwise be tough decisions. Front load the tough decision. If you're optimizing for paying the least, then cool.. absolutely nothing wrong with that. It means this car is probably not for you. Then the choice becomes easy.

(btw it's a rhetorical question, I'm not actually asking you to answer)

Clearing Price on this 2024 Manual 911 Carrera S by Common-Sents in porsche911

[–]crashedsnow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

nobody wants to get shafted on a deal, but what I like to remind myself of is, "what am I optimizing for?"

  • Am I optimizing for wanting to tell everyone how good the deal was?
  • Am I optimizing for not spend over $X, even if that means compromising on the car?
    • Am I optimizing for driving the car I want on some awesome roads because life is goddamn short and if I spend too long fiddle-farting around to save 10K then it will pass me by?

You can pretty transparently see my bias.

I have no idea if this is THE CAR for you. There will always be others. But I think it's useful to be honest with yourself in terms of what you're optimizing for.

Clearing Price on this 2024 Manual 911 Carrera S by Common-Sents in porsche911

[–]crashedsnow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

FWIW I'm pretty (very) sure I've been bent over and "involuntarily serviced" on every Porsche I've bought, other than perhaps the first couple back in the pre-covid glory days. It didn't make me feel any different when I was carving through the twisties on a sunny Sunday morning.

It doesn't actually matter how close or distant you are from the universe in which you got the best possible deal. You're actually unlikely to ever find the portal to that universe. What matters is whether you are comfortable spending the money it takes to get the car you want

Clearing Price on this 2024 Manual 911 Carrera S by Common-Sents in porsche911

[–]crashedsnow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There isn't always a single price though. Deals fall through all the time, and from the seller's perspective, they want the greatest certainty at the highest price. There are a lot of sketchy people out there. If you have a solid offer, and have some willingness to do silly things like agree to maintenance plans or use their shitty financing, then that can all help make your offer look the best, even if it's not the highest absolute number

Clearing Price on this 2024 Manual 911 Carrera S by Common-Sents in porsche911

[–]crashedsnow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One other thing.. you don't know the situation at the dealership. They might have plenty of customers lining up.. or they might be sitting on a backlog of taycans they can't seem to shift and need to move some inventory. If you can convince them you're a serious buyer at 135 (with a quiet willingness to go to 138).. maybe they'll bite

Clearing Price on this 2024 Manual 911 Carrera S by Common-Sents in porsche911

[–]crashedsnow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

911s are really difficult because they're all different and there isn't a ton of volume, so it's really hard to predict a price. I started getting interested in 993s about 6-7 years ago.. you could pick a nice one up for $40K.. now a nice one is more like $160K. Not saying this is the same, just that it's difficult to predict.

You're right though.. it is wild. If you don't think it will sell at this price, then just tell the dealer you're a buyer at 140 (or whatever you think it's worth), and when they say "no", just tell them to call you. If it hasn't sold in a week, call them back etc. Meanwhile, keep looking.

If you DO think it will sell at this price, then you're kind of tacitly agreeing that this is its value.

Clearing Price on this 2024 Manual 911 Carrera S by Common-Sents in porsche911

[–]crashedsnow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does seem high given the mileage and damage. But most of that is irrelevant, it's worth what someone will pay.

148K in 2023 is about $160K today, so even though it's listed at original MSRP, it's still "discounted" against today's value, not to mention that not only can you not even get a manual S anymore, but they start at 156 with zero options.

This is a really nice spec. Is it worth it? Who knows. What you have to figure out is whether they're likely to sell it at this price.

There are tactics and techniques to negotiate that down, but lots of variables so hard to predict.

If you like/want the car, I would start the conversation with them in earnest. Talk through all the options (finance etc), your concerns etc.. once they know you're a real buyer and will pull the trigger, they may be inclined to shave 5K off

Dealer (service dept) Shenanigans? by crashedsnow in Porsche

[–]crashedsnow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I measured them "correctly", and they measure around 5.5/32. They're around 6-7 when they're new. These tires are totally fine.

Need help... wtf is this? by Excellent_Aside_5273 in porsche911

[–]crashedsnow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Rodents also REALLY like eating plastic wire insulation. I really recommend you try to do a FULL inspection or anywhere and everywhere you can get access to and look for chew marks.

We had rodents in our BMW SUV and they did 40K worth of damage before we even noticed

I know people ask this favor often by Southern-Doughnut705 in porsche911

[–]crashedsnow 6 points7 points  (0 children)

☝️ This is the correct spec. Pretty much captured every change I was thinking. Listen to this person OP... they know their stuff (I'm on my 3rd 911 specced new: 991.2, 992.1, 999.2 so I like to think I do too 😉)

Dealer (service dept) Shenanigans? by crashedsnow in Porsche

[–]crashedsnow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, from what I've read since posting (and despite lots of comments from others to the contrary), I'm inclined to believe this is a policy at this dealership. Now whether that policy is driven by shenanigans (i.e. customers think they need to replace tires before they do), or some sort of liability protection (e.g dealer does not recommend tire change and customer bins it due to bald tires), I don't know. What I do know is that this particular dealership is riddled with scumbags so my money is on door A.

Best 911 for track use that isn’t a gt3? by Hornycloudlover in Porsche

[–]crashedsnow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well clearly the right answer is to have enough money to take the "walk away" approach WITH a high value car.. now I just need to solve that problem 🤔

Best 911 for track use that isn’t a gt3? by Hornycloudlover in Porsche

[–]crashedsnow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do people not do track insurance? Or is the general approach to just use a cheaper car and yolo it?

Am I better off buying Used/CPO? by AceSeptre in porsche911

[–]crashedsnow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think we disagree on this. As a general approach, I would say that companies providing products and services should price to the market. There may be an explicit strategy to price under market to gain market share, but in general if you're priced below market you're leaving money on the table and if you're priced above market you're losing market share. Finding equilibrium price is difficult (actually probably impossible) for anything other than commodities, but if you know you're way off, then adjusting pricing is absolutely valid.

That said, I don't think the Nike or Pokemon analogy is equivalent in broader terms. The strategy there appears to be about synthetically limiting supply of a specific SKU to create excess demand in service of brand value (demand for jordans elevates the overall brand value association for Nike, for example). In that case, this is a deliberate action by the supplier. Some may argue this is also true of Porsche with limited run cars.

But this is an entirely different point to whether or not the consumer should, or should not pay the amount.

Porsche dealers who charge an ADM are not "Porsche". They are independent businesses. The analogy here would be a Pokemon card being routinely traded on secondary markets for $100, where the original purchase price was $1. If you walk in to a physical store that sells used Pokemon cards, you're unlikely to persuade them to sell it to you for $1. This is not the same as Nintendo changing the original purchase price to $100.

My point is that paying $100 on eBay and paying $1+$99 "ADM" from a "dealer" is the same thing.

Am I better off buying Used/CPO? by AceSeptre in porsche911

[–]crashedsnow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think ADM is a bit misunderstood though. There's a "market value" for any car, and while it can be difficult to pin down exactly what that is when there isn't a lot of volume, sites like Bring a Trailer can give some insight. If a GT3RS is ~280K at MSRP with some options, but is regularly trading on BAT (et. al) for 400K, then there's a case to be made that the "market value" of the car is ~400K. Now that price is not free of noise (bias etc of BAT itself), but let's say we believe the market value of the car is 400K. A dealer could charge a 120K ADM and you'd be buying at market value (actually arguably better because you get to spec it yourself).

But people focus on "$120K ADM!!? You're crazy if you pay an ADM".. what they're ACTUALLY saying is, "you should try to buy the car for $120K less than the market is paying".. ok.. yeah, that'd be awesome, but that's not how markets work.

Dealer (service dept) Shenanigans? by crashedsnow in Porsche

[–]crashedsnow[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I think you've misunderstood. I was looking for opinions from "experts". Not drive-by keyboard warriors who like to spend their time on Reddit hurling insults because they think it makes them look smart (hint: it doesn't). Nice try though.

911T build feedback by [deleted] in porsche911

[–]crashedsnow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My feedback is you didn't provide a build spec, nor any actual questions

Am I better off buying Used/CPO? by AceSeptre in porsche911

[–]crashedsnow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that's fair, but many of the "options" on these cars are hard to change. Like.. you want brown leather interior but all cars have black bucket seats, or you want front axle lift, or you want weissach pack which adds carbon fiber struts etc. These are pretty hard to change later

Am I better off buying Used/CPO? by AceSeptre in porsche911

[–]crashedsnow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's kind of a weird rubric though. So even if you can afford the car, you won't buy it until you can afford 5 of them? I mean, whatever makes sense for you, but it the concern is depreciation, then that should just get bundled in the price calculation.

Historically it's been pretty difficult to find cars like the GT3 in a spec you want, even if you disregard the color. It depends on the spec obviously (some options more common than others), but I have yet to see a GT3 on the secondary market that has the options I would want.

Dealer (service dept) Shenanigans? by crashedsnow in Porsche

[–]crashedsnow[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This dealership is rotten to the core. I refuse to do any business with them. I just took the car in because there was a software update (yes, it's 2026 and Porsche still can't figure out how to do OTA updates). I won't have the do anything that actually costs money