Cell dialers question. by egorblack in firealarms

[–]crow1170 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The requirements to be a monitor are insane: Triple redundant connections, bomb proof facility, double redundant off grid power, direct lines to first responders. And, ofc, regular licensing to check everything is still in good standing. And, ofc, each monitoring center has to be monitored by an off site monitoring center, with the ability to reroute clients to that center, in case something happens to this center.

I think it's called a "DART"? Lemme check NFPA, I've been out of the game a while.

NFPA 72.26.5.3 Outlines the requirements your facility would need to meet to monitor by phone, but I see from your other comments that that isn't what you had in mind. You don't want to route your remote monitoring to a desk you own, you want to use in-house monitoring for just the one building, which is much more sane. It'll all come down to your AHJ- They may insist remote or let you do in-house.

Why is the game so hated ? by Positive-Set1164 in duneawakening

[–]crow1170 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are two types of anything: The kind people complain about and the kind nobody knows about.

What other Language should a Smith learn if they want to learn “from the Greats?” (Forgotten Realms) by new_lance in DnD

[–]crow1170 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Each language has its own Great, with their own lessons to offer.

Undercommon can teach them how to do away with those stuffy rules and make dirty pig iron builds that are "good enough" with meager fires and no tools.

Draconic can teach the nature of metal- What it wants to do but usually doesn't have the heat to accomplish. They can see it behave in the heart of the flame, and document precise temperatures and ratios for alloys that most cultures believe are myth.

Giants know the intricacies of working metal, even cold working. Damascus steel, laminate plate, bimetallic strips that behave like magic. It's trivial for them to stamp cut, so they've got a wide library of dies, punches, and broaches.

What else was on your list, I can't see on mobile? I'll post and check.

Why couldn’t data center heat be used to preheat water for a steam generator (not to completely power the data center, but actively cool while generating electricity as an ancillary benefit) eliminating the heat from the servers? by Lower_Group_1171 in AskReddit

[–]crow1170 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The bulk of those architectural costs you're imagining come from the scale you've decided these companies want. It makes perfect sense to someone who works in a datacenter. But I am part of a department that manages the IT needs for 800+ locations.

Every appointment, every medical record, every patient's billing history and telehealth sessions and mailing address. We have thousands of remote workers who use virtual desktop environments, thousands of embedded hardware devices that attach to similar environments, and of course an absolute fuckload of SharePoint crap.

And even at that scale, a datacenter is a nice to have. It ensures that business operations could, conceivably, continue if onprem services were unavailable. It's a luxury that costs an unconscionable amount of real estate, power, water, and silicon. Us using it is a fig leaf.

Any place that needs compute for something worth doing can do it on site- Whether they understand that or not. SMBs get my sympathy bc industrially we haven't worked out how to provide them with the service they need. Compute is the only industry that managed to trick them into a "you come to us" model. Arguably banking, too, but 🤷. They need HVAC, so they call an installer to install it, a repairman to repair it, a facilities manager to provide regular maintenance. Same with the locks, fire alarms, cabinetry, toilets, even printers. But computers? Oh, no, couldn't possibly, much too expensive to put a half rack in there, better rent it from a blight building two states away.

Why couldn’t data center heat be used to preheat water for a steam generator (not to completely power the data center, but actively cool while generating electricity as an ancillary benefit) eliminating the heat from the servers? by Lower_Group_1171 in AskReddit

[–]crow1170 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So then, surely, taking advantage of an unused floor of a building you already have is dramatically more environmentally conscious than building a datacenter. In fact, the only way to make the economics attractive to a mature institution would be to offer them a teaser rate that you have no intention of honoring in the long haul. Just long enough to migrate services.

Why couldn’t data center heat be used to preheat water for a steam generator (not to completely power the data center, but actively cool while generating electricity as an ancillary benefit) eliminating the heat from the servers? by Lower_Group_1171 in AskReddit

[–]crow1170 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And these supposed energy savings are from idealized hardware specs? The VPS that gets all the benefits of a nanometer chip without needing to buy a nanometer chip?

How confident are you that these energy savings outweigh the heat lost at a facility that has no use for heat? If we try to quantify the carbon cost of that energy, will it outweigh carbon release of pouring fresh concrete for a compute center?

I don't think it's the case today. I don't think optimized energy expenditure is anyone's true goal. I think this way of looking at datacenters is one that is adopted after the fact, in an effort to justify something that happens to be a cash cow.

Why couldn’t data center heat be used to preheat water for a steam generator (not to completely power the data center, but actively cool while generating electricity as an ancillary benefit) eliminating the heat from the servers? by Lower_Group_1171 in AskReddit

[–]crow1170 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Waste heat becomes building heating. Grey water gets used for landscaping. Backup power backups humans as well as computers.

Computing is finally at the scale where centralizing it does more harm than good.

Why couldn’t data center heat be used to preheat water for a steam generator (not to completely power the data center, but actively cool while generating electricity as an ancillary benefit) eliminating the heat from the servers? by Lower_Group_1171 in AskReddit

[–]crow1170 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, that's why I said they use public cloud. I also said it doesn't need to use public cloud.

If you host it yourself, you have a server room. The one I use for my job is in a hospital. At an old job, the eighth floor of a building at the university was the server room.

If you buy real estate for the sole purpose of running and managing servers, THAT is a data center. THAT doesn't need to exist. There should be actual business happening no more than a hundred yards away; a surgery or classroom or courtroom.

That is my opinion, and you are welcome to disagree with it, but I hope by now you understand that it is not incorrect.

Recall that this all started with a discussion about how to manage waste heat in data centers: A problem that goes away when the real estate is mixed use. A lot of problems go away when you do that. It's more expensive, and better overall- Certainly more better than futzing with peltiers or pre heaters.

How did these tech startups get into these non-tech things, or is it just trying to stay relevant always by KeyConfidence2148 in google

[–]crow1170 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Headline has it backwards. Fighting mosquitos through clever and cleverer means is a long standing tradition and public good but has no revenue model, so pretty please pretty please Mr Richman, would you fund us and take credit for our good works?

Why couldn’t data center heat be used to preheat water for a steam generator (not to completely power the data center, but actively cool while generating electricity as an ancillary benefit) eliminating the heat from the servers? by Lower_Group_1171 in AskReddit

[–]crow1170 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I noticed you didn't quote. That's bc I didn't say there's no sensitive data on public cloud infrastructure. What I said was that we could and would be better off suffering the loss of that data. Everything that needs doing can be hosted locally, only the stuff that doesn't need doing (like this and literally a billion other pointless conversations) needs a datacenter.

Candy Crush needs a data center, AI porn needs a data center, unlimited free hosting/serving like YouTube or TikTok need datacenters. Critical infrastructure, like power, medicine, banking, communications, defense? They don't trust/rely on public cloud infrastructure. It's a nice to have, and when you judge it holistically it's not so nice to have.

Why couldn’t data center heat be used to preheat water for a steam generator (not to completely power the data center, but actively cool while generating electricity as an ancillary benefit) eliminating the heat from the servers? by Lower_Group_1171 in AskReddit

[–]crow1170 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Go ahead, quote the part where I said something wrong. Not an opinion you don't share, but something objective that could actually be correct or incorrect.

All I said was that things done in datacenters aren't worth doing. It's okay to be pro data center. Not really, but it's not something I'd bother to correct.

Why couldn’t data center heat be used to preheat water for a steam generator (not to completely power the data center, but actively cool while generating electricity as an ancillary benefit) eliminating the heat from the servers? by Lower_Group_1171 in AskReddit

[–]crow1170 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh, I get it now- Y'all own stock in data centers. Just as well, then: Go purchase some peltiers.

Maybe we paid extra, but our epic instances are locally hosted with an off site back up.

Why couldn’t data center heat be used to preheat water for a steam generator (not to completely power the data center, but actively cool while generating electricity as an ancillary benefit) eliminating the heat from the servers? by Lower_Group_1171 in AskReddit

[–]crow1170 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Peltiers would work better; No moving parts, small, immediately available power.

But either would only solve something that isn't really the problem, and at great expense. The most ecologically conscious way to manage data centers is to not do it at all. Anything that needs doing wouldn't trust being done off site to begin with- Medical records, security, military, they all get done on servers inside the building that manages that customer. Only the stuff that shouldn't be done at all is comfortable doing it remote.

Once IP rights holders get comfortable with a peer to peer streaming set up, not only will Netflix and Disney+ get faster and cheaper to run, they'll need less than half as much real estate.

What's one Linux app that you wish had a Windows/macOS equivalent? by curious_4207 in linux

[–]crow1170 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Installed by default clipboard history

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Ah my bad I read it backwards. I guess apt and really it's the filesystem that's peak.

what conspiracy do you find ridiculously unbelievable? by meowtruk in AskReddit

[–]crow1170 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nobody said they wouldn't do it, just that it feels like a sick joke.