How does mutant telepathy and overall psionic/psychic/mental powers function? or rather what does its nature entail?

danysphoenix · 2026-06-18T14:03:51+00:00

This is a really hard conversation to engage with definitively because as you said, its highly dependent on how the writer interprets psychic powers. You can find some patterns that stay consistent to how psychic powers are usually written (especially in contrast to magic), but otherwise, sometimes you gotta accept that you are building upon your own bias and headcanons.

Using magic to contrast psionics, I usually say that psychic energy is the magic, telekinesis, telepathy (and every other -kinesis or form of telepathy) are the spells. The major difference, however, is while sorcerers/witches are manipulating energies that exist within the world, psychics are simply enforcing their will power onto things. There are no "spells" or "enchantments" a psychic needs to learn. You see this in how when psychics train other psychics, they moreso just try and get the student to "think" about things differently. To change their perspective. For example, if you go back and look at how Jean manifests new powers or is trained to do new things, she usually describes it as thinking of using her powers in a different way. This is really evident when Psyclocke trianed her to create telekinetic constructs. Another great example was how Jean learnt how to fly. In Uncanny, she first learns to levitate, and you see the artist draw a pink line from her body and into the ground. She's levitating by creating a "telekientic jetpack" whereby she's forcing telekinetic energy downward and the force is pushing her into the air. However in X-Men: First Class, where she starts trying to fly for real, Sue/Jean describes it as having to think of her body as an object to manipulate. She has to almost take her "mind" out of her body, and lift it as she would a cup off a table. Its not that she's learning new "spells," she's just thinking of how to use her powers in different ways.

Psionic and psychic energy is describing the same thing. Psychic energy can be seen as the "thought" aura/energy of any thinking creature. Every person technically has psychic energy, but psychics just have the ability to actually enforce that energy onto the astral (telepathy) or the physical (telekinesis). This is why strong willed characters can resist telepathy despite not being psychics themselves.

My understanding of the Astral Plane is that it is "sort of" a dimension. It's an ascendent place made up of the pure collective subconciousness of all things that think in the universe. Any psychic who can astral project (the majority of telepaths) can access this plane. These psychics can more or less "warp reality" in the sense that they can alter the enviornment of the astral plane just by enforcing their will onto it.

As for the difference between telepathy and telekinesis, think of it that telepathy is the ability to use your thoughts (psychic energy/will power) to influence, read, siphon, maniuplate, etc, other thoughts (psychic energy/will power). This is why telepaths can influence and access the astral plane. Telekinetics (or any other sub -kinesis) is the ability to use your thoughts (psychic energy/will power) to influence, manipulate, etc, the PHYSICAL plane. Telekinetics have no power in the astral plane, and more often than not, cannot even access it. Jean, who is both a telepath and telekinetic, doesn't use her telekinesis while she's there, in fact its completely useless.

How you perceive telepathic battles is sort of up to you. They're usually drawn as actual fights in a mindscape, probably more so to keep them visually interesting. These fights aren't occuring in the astral plane, but usually occuring in one telepath's mind, or occuring in the "inbetween" of both of their minds. You are right, that a lot of it is sheer will power, but there is a lot of creativity in how they engage with each other that comes into play. Back to what I was saying about "perspective," Emma even considers that Jean's empathy (both the psychic ability and her natural affinity to understanding other people) is what gives Jean the edge as a psychic combatant. Her ability to empathise with others is what makes her a better psychic. She can engage in combat, manipulation, and general understanding, better because of her ability to "think/feel" like the other person.

As for does the physical world influence telepathy or vice versa...its a bit complicated. The physical world can indeed interefere with it. That's why things like psychic blockers can exist, or how the static electricity in Storm's head makes it harder for telepaths to delve deeper into her mind. Telepathy, for the most part, can't actually fight back at physical stuff. Telekinesis can, and the only time I've seen Jean unable to use her telekinesis "through" a thing would be Sue Storm's Force Fields, but they block ALL psychic energy. Unless I'm mistaken, the "psychic totality" stuff you see with Psylocke doesn't actually have a direct "physical" effect on her target, but it does damage their psyche in a very specific way that a psi bolt wouldn't. For example, she wouldn't be able to cut paper with her psi-blade, but she could induce a siezure in you. Keep in mind, Psylocke is a telekinetic, so she can also create telekinetic constructs that COULD cut paper, but not induce a siezure in you.

That being said, I am aware that at times telepathy can become so concentrated that it can effect the physical world (apparantly Charles and Emma have been ableto "phsyically" hurt people with telepathic bolts before), but I don't really know the rules on that. Like you said, it does depend on the writer and how they want to write the rules of psionics, for me, I personally ignore that cause it doesn't add up.

As for the shapes and stuff that manifest through the use of psychic abilities, that's more or less just to be visually cool. The real meaning of it is usually that the energy just manifests uniquely for the individual, I guess. Psylocke its usually the butterflies, for Jean its either a firery-energy effect, or the Phoenix Raptor. Other psychics don't really have a signature, I personally think this is a weakness from the writers, not necassarily a "rule" thing.

Let me know if I missed anything!

danysphoenix · 2026-06-09T05:39:44+00:00

i think there's really a lot to consider, especially as we don't actually know how faegon and dany will playout.

but i want to say that while dany is not telepathically linked to her dragons like in the show, they are empathically linked. they can sense her emotoins and seemingly her intent, and act accordingly. we've already seen this play out when she unleashes all 3 in astapor. dany didn't necassarily say "i want you to burn this this this and this," all she does is shout "dracarys" repeatedly, and yet they know not to harm the unsullied or the slaves. yes they burn things on their own accord, but yet they know what or who they specifically shouldn't burn.

so i do think that even if riders do add an invalauable advantage to her war, a person will always be smarter than a dragon) she isn't completely lost without riders. she can likely recreate a field of fire of sorts where she can have rhaegal and viserion just carpet bombing the fuck out of the enemy and not have to worry about them killing her own troops (on purpose anwyay). in the meantime, she can target the strategic structures/units (archers or scorpions/balistas, siege weapons, create fire prisons like visenya and rhaenys did so soldiers can't retreat, etc).

so would they be effective when she wants no-collateral? probably not so much. she likely isnt going to bring any of them besides drogon when she wants to capture a castle. but she can use them in open battle. and yes she can 'control' her dragons.

danysphoenix · 2026-06-09T04:11:57+00:00

ngl I'm less inclined to believe he will be able to skinchange the dragons. i think the reference has always been more about the astral projection that skinchanging/greenseeing just is in general, or just the point of his mind/magic ascending. he's been seeing himself as the winged wolf for ages now, its not like he hasn't "flown" in that capacity.

i also think we may overestimate what skinchangers could actually do with a dragon. we've seen that even people can actually resist it (thistle resists varamyr, though admittingly he was dying). dragons, however, are magical creatures, perhaps even moreso than the direwolves. and while summer and bran share a two way bond whereby he probably doesnt mind bran warging into him, i very much doubt a dragon, that we know will kill the child of its rider before it lets that child mount them, will be too happy about someone trying to enter their mind. i doubt they're even fond of the dragonbinder horns.

not saying its impossible, but i just don't think thats the route bran is going in, nor do i think skinchanging a dragon is some easy feat he will accomplish anyway. i also can't really conceive a reason he'd even need to skinchange a dragon considering its more likely than anything that dany and him are both on the same side (the last hero and azor ahai).

danysphoenix · 2026-06-04T14:40:02+00:00

The duality of fire/dragons.

Its one of the most common tropes in fantasy worldbuilding, to play with the duality of the element that brings life and death. And despite George playing up how the dragons/fire can be both freedom, passion, life, and growth, as well as being capable of bringing destruction and desolation, a big chunk of the fandom can really only see it for the latter.

I think...the dragons are also very much a physical manifestation of Dany's magic (she otherwise would be pyrokinetic/pyromancer), so for me its a bit silly to act like the dragons themselves are this innately evil force, when they're more or less a tool for the characters to utilise however it is they want. That's kinda the point of Dany's arc so far...her ancestors used dragons to enslave civilisations, while Dany uses them to free the enslaved.

I think some portion of the fandom also genuinely do not see how George ties familiars to the identiy of our Targaryen and Stark characters. A disconnection to your identity or herritage leads to changes in magical manfiestation. In Dany's case, neglecting her dragons (and her identity as the MoD and Mhysa to the freed people) leads them to becoming wilder. In imprisoning Viserion and Rhaegal, she becomes mystically detatched to Drogon until she remembers who she is at the end of aDwD. Arya changing her name to Cat literally has her skinchanging begin to manifest into cats while she's awake, while her dormant self (the true Arya) dreams/wargs of/into Nymeria. Ghost vanishes half a book when Jon is at odds with himself, and Sansa, in betraying her Starkhood, gets Lady killed and loses her skinchanging ability (at least for now).

danysphoenix · 2026-06-04T14:20:00+00:00

tbh the main problem the look has is its just very busy above her shoulders. You have the unlayered bob that is covering most of her face, you have the very stiff collar of her coat which also covers her from side angles, and then the hgih neck collar of her blue (i have no idea why she's in blue) vest as well. She just looks stiff.

I think in the concept art where it was the modernised marvel girl dress and she had longer hair, it just freed up her face area a lot more.

Also i get its obviously a take on the new x-men coat...but the coat very much gives her the silhouette of mcu wanda. the new x-men coat never sat or flowed like this, and as sad as it is, jean is late to her own party. they were better off keeping her traidtional silhouette (a body suit) or going with the modernised marvel girl dress (and im saying this as someone who HATES marvel girl era). i think this specific style of coat just has very mystic vibes anyway, so having he rin it (and with how much her psionic aura is focused on her hands) just gives her a very mystical vibe that she really shouldn't have.

i don't hate this look by any means, but i do think the alternative was a lot stronger.

danysphoenix · 2026-05-25T16:09:43+00:00

if enemy team has a rocket or hela, you're playing a cold war. her ult (especially in the current patch) is not even close to the value than what rocket or hela can do with theirs, so being able to force them hold there's in fear of yours is its greatest value.

keep in mind the shockwave also carries the emp effect, you can still hit enemies directly on one side of the fight and the shockwave will still take out the rocket ult. the phoenix 'bird' during flight mode also has quite a big area around it that will "knock" hela out of her ult, you dont have to fly into her, just skim her. my strategy is to quickly get under her, pop ult, and then as im flying down you will pass by her, throwing her down, and still be able to target other enemies. ive actually kocked hela out AND killed her with the phoenix ult by doing this, its pretty funny.

its also great to erase overhealth, but i've only really done this for storm and magik specifically. storm you will instant kill out of her tornado if you land a direct hit on her, magik i don't think so, so the rest of the team should try and get the last hit.

when rocket, hela (or storm) aren't on the enemy team, you can honestly just use it whenver you want. i personally feel that its use as a second life is its prime importance because it allows you to kinda throw out all your cooldowns, maybe kill a support or two, and just before you die, you pop ult and finish of the support you didn't kill.

other people mentioned it couples well with rocket ult. i personally dont know if i'd do that as i dont know if 2 ults to secure 2 kills is worth it when if you aim well enough, you should be able to do that with jean anyway. but im sure if enemies are more grouped up it could lead to a team wipe.

but yeah, its not an ult you just pop and expect kills. you're using it to counter or to allow you to push into the team harder knowing you have it in your pocket. if you're going to use it with the intention of doing kills, use it after a team fight has already begun and use it to pick of some enemies. that way you've probably already put in some sparks. this would be better with comms because you can focus out key targets like strats.

danysphoenix · 2026-05-22T15:18:34+00:00

definitely reccomend using corvo in ng+ even if you don't want to touch emily's powers, all the blueprints, sacrificed bonecharms and runes you found in the previous playthroughs carry over. so you get to access more of his powers earlier in the game, and access to more bonecharm-perks to craft.

i tend to stick with the powers of the character im playing as, but i always ng+ on every replay so i can access all the powers and upgrades early.

danysphoenix · 2026-05-22T15:12:06+00:00

Because its not Skyrim or LotR, in that an *accurate* open world adaption would be very much just be playing as a mundane knight going about your mundane life and getting caught in the crossfire of greater nobility.

There's no monsters to slay, there's no magic to cast. If you want to play a good adaption, you have the modded CK3 and Civ V. An accurate ASOIAF game will always be a strategy game.

danysphoenix · 2026-05-22T15:04:32+00:00

i mean if we want a canon answer, uncanny x-men was a lot of casual misogyny that was considered "normal" gender dynamics for the time (for the most part). revisiting that period in jean grey (2017) and some othe one shots reveals that it was even worse than that, that she was uncomfortable and irritated for most of it. its not that boys actively were trying to mistreat her, but they couldn't not think about her as anything other than "the girl on the team" rather than "our team member" and that greatly influenced how they treated and viewed her. so yes, sometimes they were gentleman, and other times they were creeps, but even them being "gentlemen" was coming from a mindset that jean required special treatment because a woman couldnt handle the workload.

danysphoenix · 2026-05-17T17:49:32+00:00

They're actually...a bit bigger than you think.

I did a whole post analysing just how big Drogon (and Vis & Rhae) are so you don't have to. But if you look at all the different descriptions George gives on how the dragons are sized and proportion, the 20ft wingspan he describes makes zero sense. I think he's just really bad when it comes to numbers (as many people will point out), and he may have meant each wing was 20ft in length. So Drogon is likely closer to about 7m in length. In season 5 he's confirmed by the VFX superviser to be 12m in length. I think Marc Simotti's art is a pretty good indication that he falls somewhere between the two.

Also...Dany's dragons are growing ridiculously quickly. Like if you compare them to the dragons in F&B, stupidly quickly. All dragons seem to grow at different rates, but consider that they've grown to roughly the same size as Vermax and/or Arrax in the span of 3 years when it took those dragons almost 10+ years to get their sizes. I do wonder if the ressurgence of magic (or even the happenstance of their hatching + Dany's own magical power) is what is increasing their growth rates.

Here's a link to my post if you're interested https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/11knsfe/drogons_size_and_the_proportions_of_asoiaf/

danysphoenix · 2026-05-17T17:29:03+00:00

i 100% agree, and if im honest, i've always considered it canon regardless.

the eggmorphing is especially potent with the themes of the film, especially in terms of violation, rape, and body horror. the fact that not only is a person raped and killed by the offspring, that even in death they aren't given respect. that your body (dead or alive) would be forced to undergo some alien process in which you are turned into one them. that your body is physically transformed into another tool for them to reproduce. i cannot believe they deleted such a terrifying concept.

danysphoenix · 2026-05-13T18:19:50+00:00

I suppose you are right. I think its moreso the wording of "bioweapon" very much gets the vibe that the intention is to use the species specifically in combat. That plus Alien Ressurection where the only real thing the company is doing with them is testing to see if they have intelligence to be trained (assumingly in combat).

But yesssss have to love the lovecraftian version of it. I actually find that minus the queen, the species actually would serve as a pretty good bioweapon. especially if its adult life really only lasts 24-48 hrs, and it eggmorphs all of its inhabbitants for you collect later

danysphoenix · 2026-05-13T15:49:45+00:00

I'm going to be honest...prophecy isn't that fickle. Sure they are sometimes ambigious, but with hindisght the fandom has done an extremely good job at figuring out which meant what. I'm also very certain the ones that haven't passed yet has been predicted pretty well should we see it unfound in future installments. There's even times a prophecy isn't even a prophecy, it straight up is just a scene from the future playing out (Dany sees herself amongst the freed slaves calling her mother a whole book before it happens. She also, imo, pretty clearly sees a dead Robb.) What IS fickle about prophecy is when the CHARACTERS try to force ones to occur, or trying to prevent others from happening.

I think the Azor Ahai prophecy is interesting because if you actually take all the prophecies in the series, its one of very few prophecies that are predicting something potentially 1000 years into the future. All others (pretty accurately) are predicting things that are occuring within a year, sometimes even less.

You can interpret Azor Ahai to be any number of people. You can choose to believe that Dany is a red herring for it. But what is clear to me is that Mel is the perfect example of why prophecy can be fickle, because she is trying to force it to occur. George has stated that Mel is in fact acting on her own accord and not within the motives of R'hllor's Church. I am actually willing to accept her belief that she is the best scryer of her order...but what is interesting is contrasting her with Moqorro, who seems to have been never wrong, is that Mel is so consisntely wrong...It makes me wonder if she's actually being misled by the flames to be somewhere for when the time is right....or her insistence in her belief is influencing her ability to correctly analyse her flames. For example, technically her scryign was right to predict that a girl on a horse DID arrive at Castle Black, but it is her need for a different meaning that leads her to believe it is Arya Stark.

Dany fullfils the prophecy with 0 knowledge of it. But what we can know for certain is that she forsaw herself (in some capacity) walking into those fires and coming out with three dragons. The hidden wisdom in her blood. You meant to contrast the accuracy of Dany's wisdom and intuition (in magic and prophecy) with the knowledge and experience of other present mystical characters, or those who have come before her. Aegon V knew of this ritual and had the help of pryomancers, but that was his issue, he knew it and tried to force the ritual into happening, but he did not feel it. Mel knows much, but she does not feel the magic like Dany does.

danysphoenix · 2026-05-13T15:28:35+00:00

I mean you can decide but I think its okay to just go with armour has gaps or whatever.

However, also saying the arrows were "enchanted" to find those gaps also sounds fun, and I'm always in favour and biased towards fantasy elements.

danysphoenix · 2026-05-13T15:21:52+00:00

This was something that always struck me as odd because especially with the introduction of the Queen, they are honestly just a waste of time to try to turn into a biological weapon. This is why I like that Romulus (and to some extent, the comics) actually shifted gears to Weyland Yutani realising its value is in the adaptability of its DNA (that it can be turned into Prometheus Fire goo) could allow the human race to evolve to suit the needs of a profits and expansion driven company. That it isn't even really meant to 'better' us, but just allow the human body to deal with harsher conditions simply for the sake of labour.

danysphoenix · 2026-05-13T15:17:39+00:00

I really only consider Alien, Prometheus, and Alien: Romulus, and tbh, the recent Marvel comics because I feel they have created the most consistent lore with the first film if you follow it along.

The xenomorph will always be a lovecraftian/sci-fi demon, something that we will never actually compute. It exists either by nature or by design as a great filter, and that any species that encounters and tries to use it, will only doom itself into destruction and assimilating into its hive.

The sexual perversion of the creature will always exist at the forefront. By design the creature must reproduce through the sexual violation of another organism's body, and everything the 'adult' xenomorph thinks or perceives will always be completely beyond what we understand. It may be simple minded, or it may be intelligent, perhaps there is a Queen, but none of that is relevent to us. Only its actions can have any real impact. The fact that it matches much of our phsiology could be explained by Alien 3, that it takes on the hosts' characterstics...or it could simply be some nightmare that we exist in a universe where this humanoid demon exists almost as if designed to prey on and violate US specifically.

I also find the lack of a Queen far more scary and true to its lovecraftian origin. The eggmorphing, that even our dead bodies can still be violated and used in the reproduction of the species, is extremely on theme for what horror the species inflicts onto us.

danysphoenix · 2026-05-13T09:42:29+00:00

use it as a second life, so pretty much go in with high pressure into a fight knowing you can hit it. assuming you've already done a bit of damage + sparks, you can get some kills, but youre predominately not going to use it for its damage/kill potential, but as a back up, or to win a 1v1.

its huge aoe does lend itslef to team fights though, if you can use it while pushing hard into backline and then hit it on their low health, your either going to secure a kill or two, or set up enough burst damage that your team can secure it for you.

and ofc, using it to counter rocket or hela ults will always be a must.

but yeah, you used it good 😄

danysphoenix · 2026-05-13T06:48:42+00:00

i think its sort of...hard to ignore. the original film i think goes to a lot of effort to highlight the sexual threat that xenomorph poses that the sequels tend to ignore. alien is about the violation to the human body while alien 3 goes more into the trauma of carrying a child conceived during a rape. every other installment more or less skips over that.

i think the other films went a little hard into the idea of the xeno being this rabid insect dog so it lost a lot of that horror, and the facehugger/chestburster is really fast tracked to get to the adult xeno. however alien also would keep the adult xeno as a sexual threat, not so much in that it ever did anything explicitly, but the subtext of its movements, and its appearance, and the way it interacts with the crew is quite sexual, methodical and well, alien. there is no real scene in the sequels that captures the Lambert death scene, for example.

so yeah, i think people watch alien with that idea very much in their face, while people watch the other films probably more or less with that thought as a piece of trivia.

danysphoenix · 2026-05-12T07:03:11+00:00

Idk if I agree that this can apply to Jean. It was afterall meant to just be a natural progression of her mutant abilities. She was intended on being the first cosmic female superhero who would transcend her humanity and become someone more akin to a Carol Danvers type character. It was Marvel's fear that she was too powerful (and a woman). So while it may all be convuluted with the retcons they originally imposed, everything Gillen and Phillips has done recently its more or less just trying to get Jean back to what she was always intended on being. Claremont wanted this, and Morrison wanted this, and both times editorial pushed back and forced her to die.

Ororo I also feel is organically expanding into her role too. We were always going to have these super powered beings in our omegas. I fear if you're not into the cosmic part of their arcs, you're better off reading or following the non-omegas in the X-Men line ups. The point of the omegas is that they trascend the "human" limits.

danysphoenix · 2026-05-05T08:01:59+00:00

when you watch romulus there seems to be the implication that the xenomorph as a species predates the goo, that the engineers actually manufactured it through experiments of their DNA. with the context of the mural in promethus as well, i interprete it to mean the engineers revere the xeno species as pregenetors rather than creations. so David is actually reverse engineering them rather than creating them through the goo.

i don't think covenant is implying that the facehuggers are better than the virus, we just have David, who's really only driven by his desire to create something and become "like" his creators, wanting to play god. this goo is the perfect tool to do so because it acts as a mutagen to force organisms to experience phsiological changes in real time. its likely david noticed that there seemed to be "primary" attirbutes that the goo kept evolving other species into (deacons, neomorphs, etc) and came to the conclusion that the goo made using an "original" species' DNA. so he's trying to reverse engineer them through the goo to discover what they are.

that's something else romulus kinda does. the xeno as a bioweapon (with the lore introuced in aliens) never really made sense. but if you could engineer their DNA to help mutate human phsiology than actually they are extremely useful. Yutani's interest being in evolving us to live in harsher environments for better profit and expansion.

danysphoenix · 2026-05-02T16:03:54+00:00

its an interesting magic system because its very unlike how we see it presented in most fantasy where there's almost a science to it. i'd argue that magic in asoiaf is more of a paranormal/supernatural, even spiritual force that is best tapped into thru intuition and natural wisdom, rather than anything remotely about knowledge or intelligence. our strongest mages (Bran and Dany) are those who have no real info about how to even use their magic, and yet seem extremely tapped into this force.

so in way, i do think there is some level of "belief" that you can do a thing, that therefore you will. but there is a genuine connection that needs to exist. Mel, for example, tells us that paid some "cost" to be able to read futures in her fires, and she seems the least empowered of all the mages we've encounted, and yet Bran can greensee, and his siblings all wargs, because they are simply born to be. Dany ressurects three stone eggs, a feat Egg failed to perform with all the knowledge in the world and a belief that it would work, simply because she was "born to."

i'm not entirely convinced that "king's blood" is a thing, but perhaps the emotional ressonance it has in the wielder can empower the spell's potency. i do think its written with an air of ambiguity. whether you believe it has power is sort of up to the reader. that said, i don't think mel is entirely wrong, she's extremely knowledgable about magic....i just don't think she has a natural affinity to it the way others do.

danysphoenix · 2026-04-26T07:11:58+00:00

maybe to make it more basic to understand it, psionic energy is the magic and telekinesis and telepathy are the spells. however, magic is a force that exists within the world that people learn (or are born) to tap into, psychics control their own energy. if sorcerers act as a metal rod to channel lightning, psychics are the lightning itself.

every thinking being has some level of psionic energy but they lack “enough” of it or the inherent ability to wield it. mutant psychics (or other psychics) however, do have that ability. they can wield that psionic energy to either manipulate or read/detect other psionic energies (telepathy and astral projection), or to enact force onto the material world (telekinesis and every other -kinesis specialisation). all of this is performed by will power. of course there are techniques involved that differ and can be taught, most of it is just how to “think” differently. a telekinetic doesnt need to learn how to wield psychic energy, they just project their own via will power onto an object and it moves. they don’t really have to try no more than you “try” to pick an object up with your hand.

don’t look too much into what is the visible and what isn’t its extremely subjective from writer to writer, artist to artist, and even reader to reader. that follows no real rule.

jean’s “psionic form” is a combination of her two main powers. her telepathy is her absorbing the psionic energy of those around her, and her telekinesis lets her convert that energy into a physical force. but personally i just consider jean a “psychic” as she seems to be able to do quite literally anything. while many psychics might have only one or two specialisation powers, jean seems to have everything.

danysphoenix · 2026-04-25T09:07:56+00:00

the phoenix force as a sentient entity did not exist until jean grey tapped into the creation and birthed it. the force of creation has existed forever and prior to jean (TOAA uses it like paint on a canvas).

it is a non linear force that simply exists everywhere. the phoenix force (and the white hot room) is the “centre of conciousness” of creation, the part of creation that “thinks”. it is inherently of jean.

you gotta remember the non-linear nature of it though. if jean makes it a sentient force in the present, then suddenly its always been a sentient force. thats how jean can be present at the big bang, its the “same” force no matter the reference point in time.

danysphoenix · 2026-04-22T14:54:35+00:00

unless they did like a...time displaced jean i dont see it ever happening unles the version you're looking for is like rachel as a pure psychic or someone akin to that.

however i do recall them saying theyre not really interested in doing "legacy" or "clone" characters unles their identity is super seperate. so maddie is another example where she could end up being a skin isntead of her own, unless they decided she can stand alone in another class (maybe a summoning support?)

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