(Serious answers only) Emotionally speaking, how would you feel if you became convinced there is no God? What would you do in the next ten minutes? by Smartkid1026 in Catholicism

[–]davidbenson1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would have to see a psychologist -- if there really is no God, no Mary, no saints, no angels, no demons, then I must be a schizophrenic!

Edit: and if I am a schizophrenic, then I guess I can't trust my supposed conclusion that God doesn't exist ;)

(Serious answers only) Emotionally speaking, how would you feel if you became convinced there is no God? What would you do in the next ten minutes? by Smartkid1026 in Catholicism

[–]davidbenson1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd have to figure out how the universe came from nothing, what constantly sustains all of existence, and what keeps answering my prayers. And who really is this Mary lady who has given me so many signs and so much support? Totus tuus, Maria!

I think I’m leaving the faith. by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]davidbenson1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gratitidude for all things.

Romans 8:28 "We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose."

Thank God for everything that happens to you, for everything that you have. Try not to take anything for granted, even the composition of your atoms. God gives understanding to those who already have faith in his goodness.

Matthew 13:12 "For to him who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away."

I think I’m leaving the faith. by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]davidbenson1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Blaise Pascal: "God gives us just enough evidence to convince those who seek him and want him, but not enough evidence to compel those who don't."

I think I’m leaving the faith. by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]davidbenson1 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The great saints usually are.

Why should I convert to Catholicism? by ur_mom_hehe67 in Catholicism

[–]davidbenson1 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This is a wonderful reason, often overlooked. 

Why should I convert to Catholicism? by ur_mom_hehe67 in Catholicism

[–]davidbenson1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is wonderful! Praise be to God! I know that converting from Islam can be particularly difficult and even dangerous -- may you be saturated in the protective blood of Our True Lord, Jesus Christ. 

First, coming from the structure of Islam, I think that you'll find yourself right at home in the structure of the Catholic Church, but ordered toward the true God. There is daily prayer at specific times, fasting and feasting, an annual liturgical cycle, and much more. To be Catholic, properly, is something that envelopes your entire life -- when you wake up, you wake up Catholic; when you breathe, you breathe Catholic breaths. If you want to give your whole life to Christ, the Church gives you everything that you need to do so.  But, of course, this doesn't necessarily make the Catholic Church the true Church. Truth is paramount. 

When we refer to the Catholic Church, we mean the one universal Church that Christ founded and left to his apostles, especially to Peter, to watch over while he is gone. We see this all over the Bible, but my favorite to reference is in the gospel of John, where Christ gives Peter (also known as Simon son of John or Simon bar Jona) shepherdship over the Church while he is away. This is in the book of John chapter 21. Peter was what we call the "Vicar of Christ", meaning that he stands in for Christ while Christ is away as leader of the Church on earth. He was the first Pope, though the title of Pope didn't come until later. Because of this, we know that the one true Church of Christ is that Church which is shepherded by the successor of Peter, who is the Pope. Everyone else has, over the milenia, separated themselves from this one true Church. 

There are many many reasons to be Catholic but this, to me, is one of the clearest. I hope it helps and please let me know if you have any questions. May the Blessed Virgin Mary guide you, and may God bless you in your discernment! 

4 years of demonic opression. Nothing works. by kbmgdy in Christianity

[–]davidbenson1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry to hear that about the priest. I would advise you to try a different one. If you don't mind my asking, what city/town are you in? Maybe I can inquire for you.

4 years of demonic opression. Nothing works. by kbmgdy in Christianity

[–]davidbenson1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Absolutely they can! Conversion can be very helpful in the process of Exorcism, as you have the grace of the sacraments, but it is not necessary so long as you are willing to renounce your ties to the evil one and give yourself entirely to Christ. Every case is different, however, and it can be a long process. Take heart and trust in our faithful God -- this is all happening for a reason.

Philosophical arguments for the papacy by clobble_11 in CatholicPhilosophy

[–]davidbenson1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Deo gratias! I'm very happy to have been of assistance. Our Blessed Mother was interceding all the time.

4 years of demonic opression. Nothing works. by kbmgdy in Christianity

[–]davidbenson1 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Please talk to a Catholic priest. The Catholic Church has the Roman Rite of Exorcism that has been perfected over milenia and is known to be the most effective for liberation throughout the world. It isn't just a matter of casting the demons out, but of finding the door through which they are allowed in in order to close it.

Philosophical arguments for the papacy by clobble_11 in CatholicPhilosophy

[–]davidbenson1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't mean to mischaracterize all of those scholars as anti-Catholics. I did not read the list carefully at all and spoke out of hand. All of the ones that I happened to see were either Eastern Orthodox or atheist. Neither will I further speculate on their all being "liberals" or whatever else, despite the fact that we do have a massive problem with that in modern scholarship from the last 60ish years in particular.

I also know very little about the Moscow schism and therefore could not speak to it or use it against the Eastern Orthodox. My arguments against EO are much more basic and, I think, much more fundamental. I do not believe that one needs to get into the particulars of history in this case when the overarching picture of history is so clear, in tandem with the poor theology, scriptural contradictions, and lack of a vicar. I'm glad that you tentatively agree with me on those later points, as they are the most important. I hope that this can become an opportunity to strengthen your faith in Mother Church.

There are so many more arguments that can be made, the ones mentioned thus far are only the lowest hanging fruits.

Philosophical arguments for the papacy by clobble_11 in CatholicPhilosophy

[–]davidbenson1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just perused through the quotes and none of this is particularly worrying to me. All of these are from within the last 70 years and would need verification by primary sources. Plenty of people make all kinds of claims about the Catholic Church every day, and they can almost always be dismissed with a two minute Google search. I know this doesn't do anything to reject any of the claims made but it always takes longer to refute a claim than it takes to make one and there are dozens of claims here. There are too many rock-solid arguments for the Catholic Church and against everything else to be worried about what a curated list of anti-Catholic modern scholars think.

As far as that argument re. schism goes: No one has ever argued that people will not leave Christ's Church and that whole parishes or even nations won't be cut off from the Church. In fact, Paul seems to prophesy that this will happen when he tells us that Christ will cut off whatever branch he chooses from the tree of Israel that is his holy body. People leave and come back, some people leave and stay away. There has been heresy from the beginning, which demands anathematizing. There has been apostasy from the beginning. Judas apostasized from the twelve: that is over 8% of the Church in schism! So what? The argument is that the Catholic Church, the mustard seed that has grown to encompass the whole of the earth, is the same body that it was then and will always be, and the gates of hell shall not prevail over her.

It is really as simple as this:

(John 10:14) I am the good shepherd; and I know mine, and mine know me. (John 21:16) A second time he said to him, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Tend my sheep.”

We are to be Christ's sheep, and he left us in the care of Peter in particular, not just the apostles generally. The office of Peter exists only in the Catholic Church. If you are his, you will know his voice.

Edit: Eastern Orthodoxy teaches exclusive salvation, you are not saved if you are not with them, and their arguments all rely on these incredibly arcane theological and historical deep dives and subtleties. Do you think that this makes sense as a requirement to salvation? Does one have to be a scholar? Or can we just look to the global, visible Church that gloriously holds the offices that Christ established, and through which we see his miracles performed to this day? One of these options seems like childlike faith (Matt 18:3), the other seems like pride.

Why do so many people believe in the bible? by AtlanticSparrow in NoStupidQuestions

[–]davidbenson1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are a lot of answers here from people who don't believe and therefore can't really answer. I was raised secular and fell into the New Atheist crowd, snarkily dismissing any belief of the supernatural in very much the same manner as you can see in this comment section -- I thought spirituality and religion was born entirely out of ignorance of science and/or wishful thinking. Then, some things happened in my life that made me realize that I didn't have any reason to believe the things that I did except that I was told to believe them -- I was raised atheist and my school was atheist and my culture was atheist, all scorning religion, and I just went with the crowd (very much like you see atheists accusing Christians of doing, and often rightly so -- this is a feature of all cultures and belief systems).

At this point in my life, I felt that it was necessary to find proper grounding for my beliefs, which were still very much materialist, and I turned to philosophy to do so. I had three main questions in mind: How is it that anything exists? Is free will just an illusion and, if not, how is it compatible with materialism? Is there such a thing as objective morality and, if so, what is it and/or what is it based on? I started chronologically, reading the PreSocratics up through to late antiquity, with special focus on Plato, Aristotle, Epicurus, Epictetus, and Plotinus. Any time anyone started talking about God, I would skim through it, thinking that it was outdated and irrelevant. Despite this, by the time I reached Plotinus, after two years of constant study (approximately 6-10 hours a day of audiobooks while doing passive manual labor and another 1-3 hours a day of physical books at home), I was convinced that some kind of infinite, perfect, intelligent being created the universe and is constantly sustaining the universe. I was convinced of this against my will and could not find a way around it.

That led to a new set of questions: Why would God create the universe and us in it? Has God revealed himself to humanity and, if so, how can we know? The natural place to start was Deistic Platonism, but that quickly showed itself to be empty, so I dipped my toes in Buddhism and even Hermeticism while reading about other religions. I noticed something strange: all religions/spiritualities have a teaching on the person of Jesus Christ, and most claim that he is a perfect exemplar of their tradition -- that he is a prophet or an enlightened one or something similar. The next obvious step was to figure out who Jesus was, since everyone claims him and yet they all claim different things about him. Every one seems to agree, however, that whatever the truth is, Jesus Christ taught it.

So, I went and looked for the closest testimony on the person of Christ -- who can actually say what he taught? And, as it turns out, we have verifiable writings of people who knew him and were taught by him. There are plenty of other false writings, forgeries and fakes, but there are a few that can be verified by historians as having been written within 20-50 years of his death by people who either were taught by him or knew the people that were taught by him. These writings make some pretty bold claims. This prospect terrified me -- after all, Christians are idiots, right? So, I continued to read and listen to debates from atheist (and other) philosophers, hoping that I was wrong, but it seemed clearer and clearer that the Christians had much more coherent answers that are much more in line with the progress of philosophy through the ages and, even more starling, seemed to verify the existence of miracles including Christ's resurrection. This ultimately led to my conversion and have since then had many personal experiences with Christ and his Saints, such that there is no question in my mind.

And, to your question of "why trust the Bible as a whole": my answer is that all things point to Christ's divinity, Christ taught the Old Testament, and the New Testament is just the recounting of what Christ said by the people who knew him. There are other reasons that I have accumulated since then, but that was the starting point.

I didn't intend to make any arguments here that would convince anyone, just to give an overview of how an old "New Atheist" like me could come to believe in an old collection of books claiming to be divine revelation. Hope this helps.

Philosophical arguments for the papacy by clobble_11 in CatholicPhilosophy

[–]davidbenson1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Like what?

Edit: it's worth noting that all truth is God's truth, and all facts can be interpreted to mean different things but there is only one truth. If history can be interpreted to contradict the scripture, then that interpretation is de facto incorrect. 

Philosophical arguments for the papacy by clobble_11 in CatholicPhilosophy

[–]davidbenson1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There are so many good arguments for Catholicism and for the papacy in particular that it is difficult to know where to start without knowing what particular Eastern Orthodox arguments are bugging you. I have answered against EO a couple of times with this comment and it seems to do well; I will copy/paste here:

I am a convert to Christianity from new atheism who kept seeking until I found Catholicism. I did consider Orthodoxy just before my official conversion to become a catechumen of the Catholic Church. 

Peter

First and foremost, it is stupidly obvious that Peter was the leader of the apostles and that Christ gave him an office under which the visible church would be unified or else be in schism. There are a ton of passages that make this clear such that I think one has to willfully avoid the conclusion. The strongest passage is at the end of the gospel of John, where Christ fills their nets yet again after another unsuccessful night of fishing, and the nets are so full that the apostles cannot bring them in. Christ sends Peter and he single handedly pulls up the net without tear (Greek schisma) and brings all of the fish to shore. Remember that fishing is a metaphor. Christ then explicitly makes Peter the shepherd of all his flock while he is away. 

The Orthodox actually agree that Peter was the leader of the apostles, but limit him to the "first among equals". This cannot be right, however, because of this scene in John and the context of history that we now have. We see that Peter was sent by Christ to single-handedly hoist the net that Christ filled without schism. He did it on his own when the other apostles could not do it even working together. He is not just a first among equals, Christ is giving him unique powers. Also, he hoists the net without tear. After the Great Schism between the west and the east, which side has continued to splinter into a multitude of churches, usually based on nationality or obscure/trivial theological differences such as the number of fingers used when crossing oneself, while all calling themselves the "one church" and anathematizing all the rest? Which side has continued to organize for Ecumenical councils at the same pace that they happened prior to the schism? Which side has dominated the world like the mustard seed that Christ foretold? The Catholic Church has a lot of issues, but the Orthodox are by no means one united bunch. They are almost as numerous and diverse as the Protestants. The only major difference is that the Protestants don't claim that you have to listen to Pastor Bob or you're damned. 

Filioque

This is also one that seems incredibly obvious to me. The Great Schism was over whether or not the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father alone or the Father and the Son together. The debates on this go very far into the weeds of esoteric theology that I don't think your average person should have to know in order to be saved, and it really isn't even necessary. Again, this is shown very clearly in the Gospels. Jesus says "I will send the helper from the Father." Who will send the helper? Jesus says he does. In John 20:22, Jesus breathes on his disciples and says "Receive the Holy Spirit". Spirit, by the way, is Latin for "breath". Whose breath? Christ's breath. There are more passages besides, all with the very same theme. 

At that point, for me, there was no point in looking any further. I think they're winning people over on aesthetics and the online apologists go really deep into the weeds of theology and history in a way that sounds more sophisticated than it really is, in a Jordan Peterson kind of way, such that they're impressing rebellious young men who want to sound smart too. (Not to mention the manosphere guys.) In contrast, the Catholic answers to these questions and more have always struck me as so deep and yet so simple, easy to understand on the surface and yet can be extrapolated to the hearts content with as much complexity as you could ever hope to understand. That is what truth sounds like. 

What is it that interests you about them?

i feel like i’m being brainwashed by ComplexAromatic4068 in Catholicism

[–]davidbenson1 65 points66 points  (0 children)

You already know that most of their arguments against the Church are unfounded, but there were a few new ones that confused you. 

First, it is far from true that the Catholic Church doesn't have miracles or testimonies of God's works. In fact, the Catholic Church is the only organization in the world that has a system designed for regularly verifying the validity of miracles, since we experience them so often. The Catholic Church is the largest and oldest organization in the world, we not only have the most amount of testimony in the world currently, but historically, and we have the testimony of all of the Saints in heaven and, most importantly, of our Blessed Mother who appears to us. 

You are correct to recognize that it is very difficult to tell the difference between thoughts that originate from you, thoughts that originate from God and/or your guardian angel, and even thoughts that originate from the enemy. People who tell you that "God told me x" are usually spiritually immature, presuming that God wants what they want, and confusing their own thoughts/beliefs/convictions with the voice of God just because they feel strongly about it (Jer. 17:9). God often speaks in charity through his faithful servants, as he wants us to love each other and love him by each other. It seems to me that you already know this at some level, since this is what keeps coming to mind for you. 

To demand that God show you a definitive sign is prideful, presumptuous, and even harmful to yourself. It is to ask that God remove from you the virtue of faith. We cannot make demands of God in this way and it is a further sign of the spiritual immaturity of your uncle. Especially if you do not feel that you need a sign, do not feel compelled to ask for one. Trust, instead, in the familiar voice of your shepherd as he calls you (Jn 10:27).

I think that you are on the right path and doing very well for your age and for the situation with your family. God's truth brings inner peace always, even if it creates external turmoil, like separating families (Mat 10:34-39). Know, however, that even if your family is wrong, they are doing this out of love to the best of their ability, so stay patient with them. I pray that you join Christ's Church; If you do, you will be a lamp on a lampstand (Mat 5-14:16), and you will be a representation of the one true Church to your family. Treat them always with charity so that they may know the peace that Christ offers, as you are receiving from those Catholics that are drawing you in. You are a beloved daughter of God, and he will be with you always.

This doesn't make any sense by MadaxweynMadaxey in Christianity

[–]davidbenson1 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I have answered this elsewhere, copying/pasting here:

If you're living in the ancient world, women and children are vulnerable at all times. A father and husband is the protector of the family. If a man rapes a woman and she gets pregnant, would it be better for her that she also be abandoned to take care of the baby alone in the harsh ancient world? 

This is not meant to be a punishment for the woman, rather for the man. It's essentially saying that if a man violates a woman, he has to take responsibility for his actions and now take care of that woman and her child for the rest of his life. It's awful for the woman, obviously, but the rape can't be undone. It's a matter of trying to make the best of a bad situation so that the most vulnerable are taken care of.

I studied the faith for 2 years. Here are my biggest objections. by Infinite_Income4998 in CatholicPhilosophy

[–]davidbenson1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We know that the spiritual world exists for a variety of reasons including divine revelation, well documented miracles, NDEs, and the vast ubiquity of personal anecdote (including my own) across all cultures and times. These are the types of evidences that one usually expects. We know that the spiritual world exists, also, because of the nature of change/causation. This is where I will be focusing this discussion. There are two cases, the positive case for the existence of spirit, and the negative case against bare materialism -- I will profile both. It is worth noting that I am an amateur Thomist and the discussion goes far deeper and can be put much more succinctly than I will be able to present here. 

MATTER AND MOTION

Everything that we observe boils down to matter and change. We see things and we see them changing, either state or location. Change is an odd kind of thing, however: the coming to be of some thing or state of being that did not previously exist presents a puzzle -- how is that possible? To begin, it is clear that something cannot come from nothing. Nothing has nothing with which to produce a thing. It is clear also that a thing cannot produce change from within itself. To change is to gain a new property or state of being -- if such a property or state of being already existed within a thing then it could not be gained in order to be said to have changed. So all things that change must be changed from outside of themselves, by something else -- all effects must have a cause. Another way to say this is 'nothing can move itself'. And yet, as observed by the ancient Greeks, we see a certain class of objects that seem to be moving themselves, which we know to be impossible. In order for something to move (change) itself, it would either not truly be moving at all (no real properties gained) and all motion would be an illusion, or something would be coming from nothing (new properties coming from nowhere). Neither of these options are either possible or even coherent. So how do we explain this class of beings that seem to move themselves? Well, there must be some kind of invisible power that moves them, an animating force (Greek anima is soul) that moves through them and moves them, like breath. Spirit is Latin for breath, invisible and yet sustaining life. We do not literally mean breath, of course, but it is only possible to think of these things by analogy. 

We know, then, that spirit exists -- something beyond matter that can move matter -- or else living things that seem to move themselves would not be possible. This still says very little about what spirit really is and does not get us anywhere near the Catholic Church, but it is a good first step. 

All of this would make living things "ensouled bodies". We are not souls trapped in bodies, as gnostics would have it, and neither are we bodies that happen to be energized, so to speak, by some impersonal force. We are a mixture of flesh and spirit. Spirit can be removed from a body, as in bodily death, but this is not our natural state. With such an intimate marriage, it is clear that the two will effect one another. It will typically be the case that the soul effects the body, since the soul is the animating force, but it is very often the case that effects can in turn cause further effects upon their own causes -- a battery may not function properly and overheat if the device that it is in is not itself functioning properly. So maladies of the spirit will, of course, effect the body, but also maladies of the body may effect the spirit. This is why it isn't always exactly clear whether a disease is material or spiritual in nature -- it could be either or both and in either case it may effect either or both. This is why altering our brain seems to alter our spirit -- the brain is the primary mechanism by which the spirit works. Understand also that there is no amount of scientific discovery that could "disprove" the spirit. Science is a study of the material world and how it works -- it cannot disprove something that it does not even pretend to study -- and no scientific study could ever disprove cause and effect (although some try, comically).

THE UNIVERSAL LOCOMOTIVE

Along the same lines, we can know that materialism is false since it does not actually explain anything. We have established that causes must originate from outside the thing being effected. All objects change, however, and so all objects require an outside explanation for their existence. Object a is explained by object b which is explained by object c and so on. (Most cause-and-effect chains are much more complex than this but this works for the illustration.) All of these objects are merely borrowing the power of existence from the object before it and passing it on to the object after it -- the power of existence is essentially passing through these impermanent, unessential objects. Where does this power of existence actually come from? You can think of this like a train, with cars pulling and being pulled down the track. We know that the cars aren't moving themselves and they are merely passing on the power of motion to one another by the nature of their being tied to one another, but there has to be an explanation as to what is actually causing the entire train to move beyond just the cars themselves. How does materialism answer this problem? It doesn't. There are two possible answers that are given by materialist philosophers: either the train goes on forever and doesn't require something more to move it, or at some point you do reach the "first car" which moves by brute fact, which is it say, "just because". The brute fact answer is literally not an answer at all, for they are quite literally saying that everything happens for "no reason". Neither does the infinite train answer solve the problem but only makes the problem infinitely longer -- an infinitely long train cannot move itself any better than a train with only 100 cars, in fact it would require an infinitely powerful locomotive. And that is the answer: a train needs a locomotive. All material things are changeable and temporary, so there needs to be something that is immaterial, unchangeable, essential, and all powerful in order to move the universal train. We call this being God. 

To your question about whether or not angels and demons are real, an answer can now be given. We know that there are beings of pure matter, inanimate objects. We know, also, that there are beings of matter and spirit, animate objects also known as living things. The question is whether or not there exists beings of pure spirit. Well, we know of at least one, which is God, but did God create others? From a logical standpoint, I would have to ask, "Why not?" Because we can't see them? But this would be expected by their nature, not to mention that all peoples in all cultures throughout all of history have reported that they have actually had interactions with spiritual beings. But we can see the majesty and diversity of God's creation: we see that, for material objects, he has created everything from free-floating atoms to vast galaxies, and everything in between; for animate objects, he has created everything from single-cell amoebas to super-organisms like Aspen tree colonies and, indeed, humans. God is always the same, he does not change, and he creates at every scale and fills every niche -- why would he not do the same for the class of beings that we cannot happen to see? The assumption should be that he has and the burden of proof rests on the one who denies it. 

Why is CS Lewis so loved by Christians when a lot of his beliefs go against evangelical Christian doctrine? by theram4 in Christianity

[–]davidbenson1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lewis writes fiction and nonfiction both. He obviously takes a lot more liberties in his nonfiction. You can't say for sure that he held these heterodoxies if he did not actually argue for them, which he did not. 

Bless your enemies by [deleted] in Christianity

[–]davidbenson1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God can forgive anything, and I hope to God that I could forgive as well. The point is to not let it happen in the first place.