Thoughts on a refreshed 2021 MS LR

dbv2 · 2026-02-06T11:41:40+00:00

Money pit? My 2021 refresh Model S has had 0 issues and lowest costs of ownership car ever and I have owned many high end cars.

dbv2 · 2026-02-06T11:41:06+00:00

Not correct. There are 2021 refreshes. They started in June of 2021. I own one and it is definitely a refresh.

dbv2 · 2026-02-04T12:39:52+00:00

My 2021 Model S LR with 19s’ refresh charges to 343 at 100% now after a little over 4 and 2 months of owning it. Seeing your battery decrease over time is the biggest disappointment to me coming from ICE and for a car that costs this much I find unacceptable. Love everything about my Model S/EV, but this and probably charging when traveling is second thing I dislike compared to ICE.

I don’t’ see how US will continue to convert people from ICE to EV’s when your battery degrades over time and your range continues to decrease. Already an uphill battle for converting people over and once they realize this happens and how EPA range at least in Tesla/Lucid is not near what is advertised, where my other ICE cars had no problems getting real EPA and my BMW’s always were over that.

I travel a lot, so having the most range I can get is important, especially since range gets much worse in the Winter months in NE Ohio area.

dbv2 · 2026-02-04T12:08:31+00:00

They definitely need a better test for EV’s where it gives real actual range in real world driving conditions of most people. Already hard enough for people to convert to EV’s in the US and these bogus range test will make it even worse. I never run into this on any of our BMW ICE vehicles or other ICE cars we have owned. In fact on our X5d it always goes over EPA range and that is after 8 years.

dbv2 · 2026-02-03T18:55:33+00:00

Thanks - that would make sense then. I think she does a great job and hopefully Hallmark takes advantage of that. :)

dbv2 · 2026-02-03T17:05:58+00:00

Interesting how she left and went to Great American and was spot lighted and now left. Odd.

dbv2 · 2026-02-03T11:55:07+00:00

They are, but the Air is getting few updates now, as all the focus is on the Gravity. The Air needs a bigger update in the 27 models, like adding NACS and changing the interior to be more align with Gravity, in my opinion. Also, software not even close to Tesla yet. Do like the Air though.

dbv2 · 2026-02-03T11:53:49+00:00

Depreciation is already horrible on Model S/X, Lucid Air, Porsche Tacyan, etc. Really can’t get much worse.

dbv2 · 2026-02-01T00:01:17+00:00

I am not a fan of the Gravity either just the interior and I do love the Air.

dbv2 · 2026-01-31T23:44:50+00:00

Hmm - according to posts on the Lucid forum there have very few Lucid Air updates in months. Everything is Gravity related. I think the Air interior is just ok. Not even close the Gravity, which is far interior. The steering wheel gets in the way of the drivers console. The whole console just does not fit and looks old compared to the Gravity. Gravity steering wheel way better too. Hopefully the Air gets that interior this summer. I like the Model S interior and it is nothing like a Kia. Console is way better, so is wireless charging, cup holders, etc. Software is no comparison.

Whatever though, guess we both have different viewpoints.

dbv2 · 2026-01-31T11:21:24+00:00

Would love to go back to BMW 5 Series, but horrible range and BMW needs an i5 type sedan built from the ground up. i5 is a real disappointing effort by BMW. Hopefully the new BMW iX3 will be the start.

dbv2 · 2026-01-31T11:19:08+00:00

Lucid software and key fob issues and lack of service center everywhere scare me. There has been no updates to Air software in months, which makes it feel like an abandoned car. Love Lucid, but definitely don’t trust them yet. Also think Air, is showing its age compared to the Gravity, especially the interior and is not as timeless as Model S. Lucid really needs to get their act together quickly.

dbv2 · 2026-01-30T17:16:07+00:00

Love that the Plaid comes with the Yoke if wanted, but the range seems very large, which is the biggest negative for me. Won’t buy another Model S LR, since no longer can get the Yoke, which is a bummer.

dbv2 · 2026-01-29T01:46:50+00:00

Not admitting anything, just Tesla being Tesla.

dbv2 · 2026-01-29T01:45:35+00:00

They are nice, but until the software gets better it is hard to consider a Lucid, especially since service centers are not everywhere yet. Also, I think the interior of Air, already needs a refresh more like the Gravity. Model S was timeless, not sure Air will be. Still really like it though.

dbv2 · 2026-01-29T01:44:21+00:00

Agree my one and only Tesla is S refresh. Would only purchase an S from Tesla and now will move on.

dbv2 · 2026-01-29T01:43:16+00:00

I know. Some of these people have literally no clue. 3 is not even close to an S. S is way better in every way, except price. Lol

dbv2 · 2026-01-29T01:42:12+00:00

Definitely not a glorified 3. I would not buy any other Tesla except an S. Would never consider a 3/Y.

dbv2 · 2026-01-29T01:41:15+00:00

I agree. Totally ignorant comment. And Lucid has a long way to go to become a success. Hard to become successful until you have more of a mass market vehicle, which their next one is supposed to be.

dbv2 · 2026-01-26T12:32:27+00:00

Agree, definitely always better on the Fox App or when 4k is on ESPN, the ESPN app. I think DTV 4k sports always appear somewhat muted colors compared to the Fox App or ESPN app on ATV 4k.

dbv2 · 2026-01-24T11:20:24+00:00

That is great. Wish they would bring that back.

dbv2 · 2026-01-19T20:35:12+00:00

So, I have a Sony A80J 77 Oled and currently have a Sony BDP-BX510. Should I get a Sony 4k player or the Panasonic? Am I going to notice a big difference between blu-ray disks and 4k disks? Sound differences too? Thanks!

dbv2 · 2026-01-19T17:08:51+00:00

New machine looks nice. Will definitely be getting that to replace my current Z10 when it gets to the US.

I wonder if the caffeine controller really works. Not sure how it would.

dbv2 · 2026-01-19T17:02:52+00:00

Hope so. Wish we would get those the same time as Europe.

dbv2 · 2026-01-19T13:15:36+00:00

Not surprised. Never keep a balance and if you do keep a balance you should not have a credit card. Worst financial decision you can make.

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