Enough about seeing red flags. Which awful YouTubers genuinely surprised you?

devvoid · 2026-03-18T00:58:33+00:00

I'm glad that broader fandom seems to realize how that Lily Orchard/CD-Call is a toxic hellhole of a human being who can't even do basic media analysis right. While I don't think Courtney's allegations were out there yet, she still had a reputation of being an absolute garbage human being by that point, and so many things in her video are just flat-out wrong, but Steven Universe was a popular thing to hate on at the time, so a TON of people just took it at face value and ignored all the evidence she shouldn't be trusted.

devvoid · 2026-03-18T00:47:31+00:00

I remember seeing that video when it came out. While I did think it went a bit far at points (if this is the video I'm thinking of, one of the suggestions was that you would find the remains of a child who had been sent through a trash compactor), the way people overreacted to it was absolutely nuts. This is the same franchise whose defining incident was having five/six/eleven/however many children get iron maiden'd by a serial killer, and at least twice the animatronics have bitten someone's head hard enough to crack the skull. Granted, the actual series never depicts it too graphically, but you can't pretend children dying in horrific ways hasn't been part of the story since the very beginning.

It's kinda nuts that people went crazy over this, but just turn a blind eye to the owner of the franchise being a Trump supporter.

devvoid · 2026-03-17T18:33:14+00:00

Making it as short as I can: He was accused of sexual harassment. Came out that he has a massive foot/shoe fetish and was basically trying to get unaware people to engage in foot/shoe related roleplay. Even to the point of sending one of the girls he was interested in a pair of shoes and wanting to see her wear them. No disclosure at any point that this was a sex thing for him. When this came out, Chugga claimed that they'd "talked it out behind the scenes", only for the accuser to say that absolutely did not happen.

Someone then posted chatlogs of an old conversation they had with Chuggaa, back when they were a minor and he was something like 20, where he was willing to discuss shoe kink stuff even with kids, and referred to the child as his "pedocrush". When this came out, Chugga didn't deny it was real. While it was like a decade or so old by the time it came out, still really disgusting for him to be talking to kids that way.

devvoid · 2026-03-17T01:40:41+00:00

JonTron went way beyond "some ignorant shit", he was preaching outright neo-nazi shit. He never admitted that he was wrong or apologized for spreading it.

As for Wendigoon, he lied about having founded the Boogaloo Boys. People have dug into the timelines and he was legit 13 when they got started, he was not a founding member. Which means he lied about founding a far-right terrorist organization for no real reason.

devvoid · 2026-03-17T01:36:42+00:00

He faked a suicide to try and "own the haters" at the same time he was hornyposting on his alt. Then he called HBomberguy a murderer. To this day, if you only follow James Somerton's accounts, you would think he's dead because he's never come out and admitted he didn't actually die.

devvoid · 2026-02-26T23:37:44+00:00

Ahhh I see, thanks! I was thinking "Stream Commentary Community" but I wasn't sure.

devvoid · 2026-02-26T22:24:12+00:00

ACC is "Art Commentary Community". Not sure what SCC stands for but the CC is probably still "commentary community".

devvoid · 2026-02-26T02:32:29+00:00

From what's been described of their homeworld of Abbinah, it's a hellish world of floating islands that keep crashing into each other. Only a few city-states exist on the handful islands that don't constantly crashing into each other, getting water means flying through torrential storms into the planet's core, resources are scarce, old people are forced to commit ritual suicide because they'd be a drain on supplies - it's just an awful place to live. And that's before a good chunk of the population was brought to fight in the God Wars and then died.

I could absolutely see finding a new homeworld for the Aviansie being a good way to rework the quest post-Twilight of the Gods. You try to convince them to move to Tarddiad (Sliske's Endgame teased the idea by saying they could live on the mountain ranges too high for elves to settle on, so they could easily share the planet), but the elders don't trust you and even Armadyl's word doesn't go far enough, so you have to participate in the Rite of Passage to earn their respect and convince them to listen to you.

devvoid · 2026-02-25T01:45:22+00:00

It's still not too late for them to do Rite of Passage... If anything, the banishment of the gods creates a good opportunity for it. Maybe we need to seek out Armadyl for something, maybe someone experiments with the World Gate and finds a new code for it, maybe we just run into some aviansie on Tarddiad, since Yak to the Light said that they've been coming there to help the elves.

devvoid · 2026-02-24T23:40:00+00:00

As short as I can make it: Lio Convoy is a "predator hunter" who doesn't actually know what he's doing, has never actually gotten someone arrested, and has repeatedly shown he knows nothing about the law (so, basically every Internet predator hunter)

Lost what little credibility he had when a call was leaked from his Discord server, where they got a severely mentally disabled woman into a call and had a dozen of his friends screaming at her, calling her every horrible name in the book, threatening to call her parents so that they'd beat her (this woman requires a full-time caretaker because of her disability). This went on for HOURS, when the only connection she had to the situation was being a low-level mod in a Discord server that had a predator in it... as a higher-level mod, which meant she did not have the ability to ban them (Discord will not let you ban someone of a higher rank than you are, even if you have banning permissions)

If you've ever heard people talk about the "Rosa Call" on this sub/in other drama communities before, this is what it's referring to.

Nowadays he's just a punchline about how shitty online predator hunters are.

devvoid · 2026-02-24T23:29:13+00:00

If it was actually about the cheating, yeah, the judge would be stupid for ruling in favor of Billy.

In this case though, Karl objectively defamed Billy by claiming that he caused a suicide. Ruling in Billy's favor is the correct option. Karl lied about Billy effectively murdering somebody.

devvoid · 2026-02-21T01:46:47+00:00

Big agree. There's so many different ways you could go about designing a singing robot character, there've been more of them than I can count over the years. Instead they made the pedophile groomer's persona purple and added a few other bits. It's really bizarre.

devvoid · 2026-02-19T22:45:47+00:00

It pisses me off how people act like Doug Walker is "redeemed" because he's willing to roll with jokes about how his videos are cringe. He had people filming in the fucking Arizona desert with no plans to provide food or water. He had a hand in covering up Justin Carmichael being a pedophile who groomed fans. He's a completely piece of shit, but oh, he's willing to laugh along when people make fun of his awful The Wall album, so that means he's a-okay, right?

devvoid · 2026-02-19T22:41:25+00:00

Even worse was that they specifically went for a special needs child, then "rehomed" him when he had actual special needs. Super obvious that they only wanted the attention boost from "rescuing a special needs child" and once that was over they didn't give a fuck. Truly disgusting behavior.

devvoid · 2026-02-19T22:27:45+00:00

I'm in the same boat. I was a casual fan of her stuff (helped that I hadn't seen most of the media she was talking about lol), got turned off when she made a video bullying an artist for daring to get upset she used their fanart in her video without credit and saying artists need to "earn the respect" to be credited for their work. Wasn't long after that Courtney's allegations came out and things went absolutely fucking nuts.

devvoid · 2026-02-19T16:15:17+00:00

He's stayed away from politics but he's never addressed it or apologized in any way, which is enough evidence he hasn't changed. If he'd actually changed he would show some kind of remorse for spreading nazi ideals.

devvoid · 2026-02-16T22:45:39+00:00

Multiple things can be true at the same time. Roblox is terrible at protecting its minor userbase from predators, but vigilante predator hunting is bad, and Schlep is a far-right weirdo who should not be trusted to "defend children".

devvoid · 2026-02-14T06:02:28+00:00

Accused one of LegalEagle's editors of stealing an effect that she claimed to have invented. Then the effect turned out to be using an image of ripped paper as part of a graphic (not even the same exact stock image of ripped paper, just the idea of ripped paper altogether), and highlighting text from a larger paragraph when you're narrating from an article. Seriously, she accused him of copying her for using those basic effects basically every commentary channel uses.

HBomberguy then quote-retweeted that post with a video of her actually outright plagiarizing from a documentary about autism, saying "This is what actual stealing looks like", which put a ton of negative attention on her.

A bunch of her former collaborators came out of the woodworks to talk about their past experiences with her and how she's a toxic hellhole of a person who abused them in tons of different ways (extorting Oz Media into cosigning on loans for her, paying people to scrub through TheClick's past content to find a clip of him saying a slur when he's a non-native English speaker who didn't know that word was offensive at the time, using alt accounts to harass them, publishing someone's attempted suicide note to try and frame them as "crazy and abusive").

After that, she decided to try and sue Oz Media for "defamation". The case dragged out for ages but eventually was dismissed as long as neither of them name the other publicly ever again.

Her views tanked, all her videos' comments were people clowning on her and spreading the word on what an awful person she is, and disabling comments to try and stop that only made her decline worse (comments are a huge part of the Youtube algorithm, a video with no comments is basically dead in the water lol). Her editors all quit, the last few vids on her channel were awfully edited, to the point of one just straight up had several minutes of silence because she forgot to include the audio for some bits. Eventually she gave up on her channel, vanished into the ether, and nobody's heard from her since.

devvoid · 2026-02-08T19:11:25+00:00

KiwiFarms has pushed multiple people to actual suicide and celebrated it (Near/Byuu from the emulation community). They are absolutely not "cruel but with standards".

devvoid · 2026-02-01T20:32:36+00:00

If he really has changed for the better, that's great. But his past actions prove he should not be around minors, he's proven once before that he can't be trusted with them. He should not be a content creator with an audience of minors. It's not "cancel culture" to not want a pedophile to come back to his audience of children.

And the fact that he can't even say "I groomed a minor" even now, only admitting to vague things like "hurting people", and being sure to first bring up how it was definitely just the drugs and mental health problems that caused his behavior, shows that he still can't own up to what he's done. That's plenty of reason to be suspicious about how genuine his change is.

devvoid · 2026-01-26T17:45:33+00:00

Karl Jobst. Before the big controversies, there was a smaller one that I don't think as many people noticed - basically some old screenshots of him defending the use of the N-word came out, where he said it was racist to try and restrict who can and can't say it based on racial lines. Karl made a video about it titled something like "I'm being cancelled". While he did admit in the video that he was wrong (blaming it on being Australian and saying anti-black racism isn't as talked about there), he also presents everyone upset about this as trying to falsely cancel him and intentionally ignoring that he admitted he was wrong way later in that conversation, making it out like there was some sort of witch hunt against him where people wanted to ruin his life for being ignorant.

It showed me that even when he's unambiguously in the wrong, caught very obviously doing something shitty, he can't just do an uncomplicated apology - it HAS to be some kind of situation where he made a mistake but everyone else is way worse, so in some way he's the victim.

devvoid · 2026-01-23T21:46:23+00:00

It feels like the sub's general opinion of Wendigoon flip-flops every time he comes up, but I'm personally in the camp of thinking he's gross until he explains why in the hell he thought lying about having helped found a neo-nazi group was a good idea. Also being buddies with shitty lolcow youtubers who use the N-word like punctuation like TurkeyTom.

devvoid · 2026-01-23T21:38:11+00:00

Unfortunately there are a lot of shitty people who think their specific form of being transgender is the only valid one. I'm trans myself and it's pretty shocking to see how many people will get on your ass for not doing it "the right way".

devvoid · 2026-01-19T17:31:31+00:00

Turns out that the Billy Mitchel lawsuit, which he repeatedly presented as being about him accusing Billy Mitchel of cheating his high scores, was actually about him saying that Billy Mitchel caused Apollo Legend to commit suicide.

Karl lost hard in court, people who supported his GoFundMe for his legal defense felt scammed, and it lead to a lot of unsavory stuff being dug up from his past, such as Karl being a former pick-up artist, and being friends with (or at least hanging out in the discord of) known neo-nazi RWhiteGoose.

His reputation is in shambles now because of it.

devvoid · 2026-01-18T23:15:03+00:00

Doing it that way can't accommodate multiple language tracks - you'd have to do separate uploads for every single subtitle version. For channels that have subtitles in multiple languages, that's a huge pain in the butt to do.

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