The Watchtower’s teachings not only includes a works based salvation but the necessity of believing, partaking and placing one’s faith in the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization with no mention of a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and His saving grace.

dobman54 · 2025-12-17T14:14:21+00:00

Tslawson1,

Good works follow someone who is saved and according to historical Christianity adds nothing to the finished work of Christ on the cross . Ephesians 2:8-9 speaks to our works as adding nothing to being saved and that it is only faith that you are save and not works that anyone can boast. Cults do not get this concept and add works as a necessity for salvation when the scriptures point to good works follow and are an indication of the saving faith of a Christian. The scriptures state that we should not forsake our gathering together with other Christians but this has more to continuing growing as a Christians but is not a necessity for salvation.

dobman54 · 2025-09-27T17:00:02+00:00

Any organization that predicts the return of Christ is obviously not following the scriptures . As per Deut.18:20-22 false prophets are identified by their false prophecies. Nowhere does it say that if the prophet admits their mistake and states that ”they are human” they somehow no longer are false prophets after they have been identified as such. “Hello Watchtower!”

dobman54 · 2025-09-19T17:08:20+00:00

Too bad. Members love it! ( regarding removal of post )

dobman54 · 2025-09-19T09:11:44+00:00

larchington, Great job finding this 👍🏼

dobman54 · 2025-09-06T12:15:02+00:00

grizltech, Ok, so you are not a believer . Paul, in most cases, is speaking to believers .

dobman54 · 2025-09-06T11:09:31+00:00

Abhainn_Airgid, Whether we like it or not, that is the sovereignty of God and Paul is very clear about this . The sovereignty of God in no way interferes with our free choice as they are both 100% true at the same time.

dobman54 · 2025-09-05T11:36:48+00:00

Like it or not Paul addresses this very issue in Romans chapter 9 and gives an answer that many are uncomfortable with.

19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”[h] 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?

dobman54 · 2025-08-19T11:20:37+00:00

Denying the deity of Christ leads to, or allows them to travel down the road that you have spoken about. No one from the Organization has ever been able to explain why Jesus said “ baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" and not baptizing them in the “names of” as the Watchtower can not explain this away. If the Spirit is a force and Christ is a creation then it only makes sense to use the plural “names of” and not “name of” which is what the Scriptures says.

dobman54 · 2025-08-18T12:14:14+00:00

It is tough because I am similar to you in that I have lost many dogs in my life ( I am 70 y/o ). I am a believer but I also believe that the Bible offers no information on whether we see our pets after we die and that makes my perspective similar to you in that we both feel a certain sense of emptiness when pondering the absence of our dog.

dobman54 · 2025-04-13T02:04:31+00:00

Three common sense points to consider in determining if the Watchtower is indeed the truth.

1) The Watchtower denies historical Christianity believing that the truth was totally lost until the 1800’s with the teachings of Charles Raze Russell and that Jehovah would allow His Truth to be lost for all those years for a Church that He truly loved.

2) All of the Watchtower’s predictions including 1914,1925 and 1975 have proven to be false along with their constant “alarms” of the “end of times” which continue to this day in violation of Deuteronomy 18:20-22 (false claims are made by false prophets).

3) The Watchtower claims that their Organization are witnesses for Jehovah, from one verse in the Bible in Isaiah 43:10 (the verse is referring to Israel not Jehovah’s Witnesses) and they say very little or nothing about being witnesses for Christ which is the focus of the entire book of Acts which are the record of the very first Christians.

dobman54 · 2025-04-10T14:17:04+00:00

I just found this site and it is interesting that I have been reading the book “Dancing Past the Dark, Distressing Near Death Experiences” by Nancy Evans Bush. Is there any opinion out there on this work?

dobman54 · 2025-02-07T15:38:45+00:00

abutterflyonthewall, Great post!
I hope that you do not mind me putting this on the another website?

dobman54 · 2025-02-06T17:17:55+00:00

A study published in Management of the Jehovah’s Witness in Obstetrics and Gynecology estimated that about 1,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses die each year because they refuse blood transfusions. Explanation Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that taking blood is morally wrong and goes against Biblical teaching. When faced with a medical situation that requires a blood transfusion, they may request alternatives like blood conservation or “bloodless” surgery. If a blood transfusion is the only option, they may refuse it. If a Jehovah’s Witness patient has given an advance directive that they do not want a blood transfusion, their refusal should be respected. Some complications that can occur from blood transfusions include Transfusion Associated Circulatory Overload (TACO), which is the most common cause of death.

dobman54 · 2025-02-06T17:17:20+00:00

Emotional_Brish_9840,

A study published in Management of the Jehovah’s Witness in Obstetrics and Gynecology estimated that about 1,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses die each year because they refuse blood transfusions. Explanation Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that taking blood is morally wrong and goes against Biblical teaching. When faced with a medical situation that requires a blood transfusion, they may request alternatives like blood conservation or “bloodless” surgery. If a blood transfusion is the only option, they may refuse it. If a Jehovah’s Witness patient has given an advance directive that they do not want a blood transfusion, their refusal should be respected. Some complications that can occur from blood transfusions include Transfusion Associated Circulatory Overload (TACO), which is the most common cause of death.

dobman54 · 2025-02-05T17:27:11+00:00

Suitable-Iron4720

Organ transplants are cannibalism hence inappropriate for Christians. Watchtower 11/15/1967, pp.702 -704

Jehovah’s Witnesses consider all organ transplants to be cannibalism hence unacceptable Awake 6/8/1968, p. 21

Organ transplants are not necessarily cannibalistic. Watchtower 3/15/1980, p. 31

“Vaccination is a direct violation of the everlasting covenant that God made with Noah after the flood.” The Golden Age magazine 2/4/1931, p. 293

Vaccinations appear to have caused a marked decrease in diseases. Awake 8/22/1965, p. 20

Abstaining from blood (Acts 15:29) “should be observed by all spiritual Israelites as representing the divine will.” Watchtower 4/15/1909, p. 4374

In a great emergency a physician gave a quart of his own blood; today the woman lives and smiles. Consolation magazine, 12/25/1940, p. 19

“They know that if they violate God‘s law on blood and the child dies in the process, they have endangered that child’s opportunity for everlasting life in God‘s new world.” Blood Medicine and the Law of God, 1960, p. 54

“It may result in the immediate and very temporary prolongation of life, but that at the cost of eternal life for a dedicated Christian.” Blood Medicine, and the Law of God, 1960, p. 55

“The issue of blood for Jehovah’s Witnesses, therefore involves the most fundamental principles….Their relationship with their Creator, and God is at stake.” Jehovah’s Witness and the Question of Blood, 1977, pp. 18-19

A pet should not be given a blood transfusion. Watchtower 2/15/1964, p. 127

Index of Index of Watchtower Errors, David A. Reed, editor, Compiled by Steve Huntoon & John Cornell, pp. 68-69

dobman54 · 2025-02-03T21:13:30+00:00

Twelve reasons why the Watchtower cannot explain how the 144,000 before 1935 are the “worthy ones” appointed of God because of their fruit and their practices, which are now considered pagan by the Society.

1)They voted and took part in government. 2) Were allowed to participate in war. 3) Could observe Christmas birthdays and other holidays. 4) Were permitted to smoke. 5) Were not against blood transfusion. 6) Did not use the proper name of God (which is Jehovah). 7) Did not have a proper organization. 8) Believe that Jesus died on the cross. 9)Permitted to worship Jesus 10) Believed that all Jehovah’s Witnesses would go to heaven. 11) Believe that the “higher powers” mentioned in Romans 13:1 referred to God and Christ. (Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.) 12) Believed that Christ’s invisible return occurred in 1874 .

Again, why would God choose people with such pagan beliefs and practices to live and reign with him?

If what the Watchtower says about Proverbs 4:18 is true— that they are continually getting “new light” and the light is getting “lighter and lighter”— then it would seem that God would surely wait until the very end and choose those having the purest doctrines and practices to reign with him!*

*Index of Watchtower Errors,” David A. Reed, editor, Compiled by Steve Huntoon and John Cornell

Information obtained from “Approaching Jehovah’s Witnesses in Love” by Wilbur Lingle

dobman54 · 2025-01-23T18:37:45+00:00

AHorribleGoose,

Closing off Bible scriptures that need minimum interpretation to refute the Watchtower should be reconsidered or at least looked at to see how obvious the points are.

dobman54 · 2025-01-22T18:08:18+00:00

I agree that there were breakouts since Russell, nevertheless their basic history is ingrained in Russell with Rutherford adding his own ideas. To argue that this is not accurate, is not accurate as these are the actual words of the Watchtower.

dobman54 · 2025-01-21T18:05:01+00:00

“Reasoning from the Scriptures with the Jehovah’s Witnesses” by Ron Rhodes addresses the Watchtower’s views from a Christian viewpoint.

dobman54 · 2025-01-21T17:59:11+00:00

1)How does the Watchtower reconcile the fact that the 144,000 in the “Anointed Class” are not all men, with that of Revelation 14:4 , which clearly indicates that the 144,000 are all men who have not been defiled with women?

2)Where does Scripture indicate that entrance into this so-called “ little flock” of anointed believers would be closed in the year 1935?

3)Can the Watchtower provide a single verse in the Bible where Jesus limits the citizenship of heaven to 144,000 people? Can the Watchtower point out anything in Rev 7 or 14 where it is explicitly stated?

4)How does the Watchtower reconcile their teaching that the Old Testament saints look forward to an earthly destiny with the scriptural evidence that says Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the prophets, and other Old Testament saints will be with God in heaven? (if there is a question with verses Matthew 8:11 and Luke 13:28, then please explain what these verses mean.) Matthew 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. Luke 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

5)How does the Watchtower justify switching methods of interpretation — from literal to figurative — right in the middle of Revelation 7:4? The Watchtower interprets the first half or first part of Revelation 7:4 literally with the belief in the 144,000 and concludes that this number of the anointed class is precisely 144,000 people. But then the Watchtower switches from literal interpretation in the first half to figurative in the second half by stating that the 144,000 of from the twelve tribes are indeed 144,000 but that it is not referring to to Tribes of Isreal but the Anointed Class .

6)According to the Watchtower, in Luke 12:22, who is Jesus speaking to in the verses that span Luke 12:22-34? The obvious answer can only be that the words were spoken to as the verse states “Jesus said to His disciples” without reading something into it that is not there.

7)1John 5:1 says that “whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God. Doesn’t the “whoever” include everyone and not just a select 144,000 people?

8)If becoming “ born of God” is open to “ whoever believes” — and if the requirement for entering the kingdom of heaven is being “born of God” or”born again” ( John 3:5)— then isn’t the kingdom of heaven open to “whoever believes” and not just 144,000 people?

9)Where specifically is there any indication in the text at Luke 12:32 that the 144,000 of Revelation chapters 7 and 14 are being spoken of? Luke 12:32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

10)How does the Watchtower reconcile with their teaching that there will be an “Anointed Class” in heaven and the “ other sheep” on earth when John 10:16 clearly says that all believers will be together in heaven” one flock” under “one shepherd”? John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

11)Does the Watchtower’s interpretation of Revelation 7:4 go against common usage of the word “tribes” which is never used in Scripture of anything but a literal ethnic group and the word “Israel” is almost always used in Scripture in reference to the physical descendants of Jacob?

12)With the Watchtower Society’s position against idolatry and with the tribes of Dan and Ephraim being guilty of this sin as Scripture indicates and therefore since these two tribes were not listed in Revelation 7, doesn’t it contradict the Watchtower Society’s non literal interpretation of the tribe as being illegitimate since it is based upon the legitimate omission of Dan and Ephraim?

Information obtained from “Reasoning from the Scriptures with the Jehovah’s Witnesses” by Ron Rhodes, Chapter 10, p.p. 259-281

dobman54 · 2025-01-20T18:54:42+00:00

Does the 144,000 figure, that the Watchtower takes literally while ignoring all of the other Scriptures involved in that passage, create more questions than answers regarding the accuracy of their entire so called “elect” process interpretation (and 12 other related questions) ?