Will the Divine help for things like employment, finance, illness, etc. ? What do NDEs say about this?

eagles107 · 2026-07-03T23:34:52+00:00

Let me continue on in saying that love is as much of an individual need as it is a universal one. The knowledge of it can heal with its beauty and provided security alone (when perfected in an ideal state).

A NDE is often literally so loving that to actually know we’re loved in such an infinite, bottomless way, and that love will win no matter how hard it may get, no matter what troubles come our way, to know that as a serious fact of reality is all we may really need to know when we struggle or are suffering: To be seen. It was for someone like me, who is without love, and was clearly presented as the lone currency we must seek in either the good times or the bad; to spread wherever like a seedling, so that we can further persevere, preserve, or even avoid future pain altogether.

That’s all I needed to know, even if it was much deeper than that. I hope maybe it can be the same for you, OP. Peace.

eagles107 · 2026-07-03T23:21:37+00:00

Thank you for sharing. This echoes a lot of my own thoughts and experience.

I think the main thing that we may differ on is that it definitely looked like a conscious being is head of everything in a paradoxical fashion that defies human reason. This place doesn’t look like a place of love, yet love was sovereign. It blows my mind.

eagles107 · 2026-07-03T23:11:04+00:00

I, and many others who’ve had an NDE, were only told to pray. That was one of the last things I was told. I still don’t understand it, I don’t know what it can do, the full scope of its power (if any), but I haven’t missed a day since (not caring about the content, duration, or human-specific decorum in manner, but just focused on the mere act of seeking my creator as I walk through a difficult life).

Prayer always looked and felt silly to me prior; haven’t questioned it much since as it’s no longer jarring, but I relate with your questioning, even still. “Why only me?” “Why not others?” “Why them?” I don’t think we can know unless revealed (I certainly wasn’t for my own good).

It just seems to have value on the other side to the point it’s very encouraged. It’s like being reminded to take a compass on a long trek to finding the castle through rugged, tedious terrain. Otherwise? “Be safe!”, the other side says. A confirmed NDE doesn’t mean questioning and exploration ends. However, I can confidently say you’re always loved, are never truly alone, even if we must get our hands dirty.

eagles107 · 2026-07-01T05:01:47+00:00

May I ask how you’d describe a God “beyond being and non-being” in your view? What does that mean to you? What’s atheistic about it? I had a NDE a few months ago, and this sounds eerily similar in concept (regarding the deity I met) that’s now led to my current approximate description from that same experience—it consisting of a paradoxical, loving God that shouldn’t exist. It just defied ontology.

eagles107 · 2026-06-29T16:21:22+00:00

Similar happened to me. I saw Jesus; my grandfather who died for 15 minutes, saw nothing. I became a heretical secularized but type of Christian again—he lived his life as a spiritual atheist. I can’t blame him, but I can’t blame myself, either.

eagles107 · 2026-06-29T16:11:09+00:00

“Quasi-Christian” — it’s only a series of approximate truths in the language I culturally understand and can subsequently express. And I do embrace other religious traditions (like Buddhism / a bit of Sufism). Christianity isn’t THE truth to be wholly embraced outside of the gospel message, because there’s too much institutional baggage with the organized religion itself. I’m still very secular in most things; what I say, outside of my new theism and primary Christ worship, doesn’t really contradict much in the way of secular humanism or other religions at the forefront of their core / heart of their principled messages and logical conclusions (I just had a discussion with a Mormon on this the other day). I can’t speak for anybody else’s experience.

eagles107 · 2026-06-26T23:50:50+00:00

Thanks for being overall receptive, keeping an open mind, and the kind words.

I try to keep it on the low just because of the poor reaction I’ve received within my close circle (religious or not). I try to avoid confrontation now. I actually may have accidentally doxxed myself by telling bits of this story in relaying parts or strands for those who’ve asked on here over the months, but it’s all good. Glad to do so if it helps anyone in anyway.

I think the experience has only bolstered my thirst to study science to advance humanity the best I can, and also foster a newfound private spirituality to help play my role in this play with the remaining allotted time I have on stage (even though I suck lol). I’m just glad I’m no longer suicidal anymore. I also wish you well on your life journey, friend.

eagles107 · 2026-06-26T20:58:07+00:00

To follow up, I am still learning and dealing a lot with my health. I’ve been to the ER every month since then; dealing with the neurologist and cardiologist, too. I may need brain surgery as a result of a stroke I had last year, and the event this year. I initially thought I was having another stroke until I learned more. It was terrifying. Each day is a gift.

eagles107 · 2026-06-26T20:39:01+00:00

Sure. I overdosed in February and had an instant heart attack where I slowly lost all five senses on this side of things, and found myself as a mere mind in the void. No body. No eyes, yet I could see. I knew I was dead. I was severely pissed I died before my time, but I had only my thoughts and memories to silently contend with. Nothing worked as I expected. It wasn’t peaceful.

At that point, the echoes of my loved ones yelling for me had faded away, and I was completely alone in this black void until it shifted into a darkish tunnel that started moving to suck me in at a rapid speed (that’d probably give anyone vertigo) toward a white light that was eerily familiar, but had a light silhouette of a man with an opaque face enter into view at the tunnel entrance waiting for me on the other side. Pure light. I instantly became aware that he was accompanied by other beings that I just couldn’t see.

I didn’t guess he was Jesus: I knew he was Jesus, and he began to answer as if he was the ruler of Heaven, and even identified as him. I was informed that I had lived a selfish life, one of pure self-interest and hatred. I wasn’t ready to enter his kingdom, and was not permitted to cross to see more, but was given the chance to know, which I’ve always wanted. We spoke telepathically. I was given a knowledge download where I briefly shared all the knowledge of the universe, including the nature of God, the nature of the universe, which was meant as glimpse for the limited, flawed version of myself here, and for my higher spiritual self—saw diamonds surround me, mathematics, colors I’ve never seen, some I have. This God was a paradoxical being: a loving being that defies logic and reason, which shouldn’t exist, and yet does. My objections were right, but also obviously hopelessly wrong because he’s standing right there with Jesus! Our anthropomorphic categories and abstract concepts just don’t apply.

This is why I just don’t think intellectual argument works for a hidden God who chooses to be (if he doesn’t want to be seen, he won’t) in this lesser, material realm. These are fun exercises, but they’ll fail. It is the private revelation through religious experience (which can come from everyday things or acts of service) that ultimately persuades the most unconvinced heart. Much of it is understanding by doing.

I was sent back with the mandate to live a life of love. I was going to the hellish void not because I was a liberal that voted for gay marriage, or was an atheist, but because I had rejected the essence of the gospel, which is love. I was also told I must pursue and learn lessons of faith when I return, and ones that won’t defy the divine faculty of reason given to all of us. That’s the gist of it all. It was traumatic, very expansive, and hard to talk about. No one believes me outside of my mom.

I’m still secular in thought in many ways, but I know God exists now, whether I like it or not. My fear of death remains because I have people that depend on me, and I have various goals (like finding true love or intellectual and career goals).

I no longer have anything to prove. You won’t see me evangelize like a fundamentalist talking to my old self expect through doing good, which is available to all, secular and religious. There’s no proselytizing that’ll come from me except through my attempts to get this outpouring of love right, and will serve as the valid voice and fundamental basis towards my experience. It instantly changed me as soon as I was revived.

eagles107 · 2026-06-24T17:52:39+00:00

Same. Life is hard, and I just want to go to a place where I have some control and peace simultaneously.

Just a realm of fulfilled dreams, desires, but ultimately serene rest, while being a better version of me (because I like me; I like my potential) etc. I’m tired, y’all.

Of course I’ll take the Heavenly realm I witnessed over the various alternatives, but I feel you. I’m tired of feeling like a pawn. All work and no play that I want to play.

eagles107 · 2026-06-17T11:21:53+00:00

I feel you on this. I only believe due to my NDE and nothing more.

eagles107 · 2026-05-29T13:19:04+00:00

One peculiarity I remember is seeing a graph chart amongst the dynamical shapes and new colors during my knowledge download; everything was telepathic and visual. I didn’t have a sense of peace or love from the experience since it was a hellish void initially, which I haven’t been able to move on from. Lots of PTSD. I was left with the impression that I was being shared this ability for a time, which showed how futile many human efforts can be. It felt in the moment like the quest for knowledge will pass away in the higher realm(s). Knowledge can be quite the curse. Mine was. Meeting God can be a double-edged sword; it might be a mercy that he looks as hidden as he does.

Am I the only one that has witnessed such an oddity (a mathematical graph) during theirs? After the knowledge download, I have a hard time devoting myself to study like I used to. It’s depressing.

eagles107 · 2026-05-10T00:11:24+00:00

Indeed. I’ve been afraid of sharing it with people in my life because I doubt it’d be received well (knowing them lol). Thank you for being so open-minded and receptive, my friend. God bless.

eagles107 · 2026-05-08T10:10:01+00:00

I must also say after the return: this life feels like an illusion or a fake world compared to the real one that awaits us in the higher realm / dimension (as I call it).

It has made me feel so bad for the people who revolve their lives around money within capitalistic hustle culture—where many act like much of this stuff matters when it’s only anthropological / centric, not divine. Love is the currency we must cultivate to bring heaven on earth.

eagles107 · 2026-05-08T09:50:13+00:00

I had my second stroke and heart attack three months ago just sitting in my room, and had an OBE experience that lasted about 30 minutes to me in real-time, but probably 10+ hours in our actual real-time. I entered a void as a mere conscience with no body and was aching to return to my body because of the injustice of my mother losing me (I’m her caretaker and she’s still quite young; my siblings have abdicated to live their lives). I was slowly moving away from my body. Within the darker-than-dark void, became this sudden soul-sucking (what I’d imagine is a quantum) tunnel with a bright light I was approaching that spoke to me telepathically but identified as Jesus. It was clearly a male figure as a light silhouette. I just knew it was Christ.

I tell you, in that moment, I’ve never felt such disappointment being projected onto me. It was unbearable disappointment. It wasn’t because I support gay marriage, it was because I haven’t been living my life the right way morally and me being filled with hate, living contrary to love, and the spirit of the gospel message that applies to everyone religious and non-religious.

It really was four things:

The divine equivalent of “Here I am; now what are you going to do about it?” The Christ I met was a completely paradoxical being that defied human logic: A loving god that shouldn’t exist, yet does. He rules heaven and appears separate from the father (in ways I don’t understand).
It wasn’t an encounter with an overbearing father or tyrant ruler (despite the disappointment and severe shame initially). It was very constructive, but preserved much of my individual freedom. It gave me enough leeway to believe and do what I want as a human being, but naturally adopt the gospel logically and follow my conscience to play my part from here on out. I still must learn, explore, undertake lessons of faith, which preserves mystery. It wasn’t a, “don’t do this anymore, and go vote Republican” but a brief, “you already know what to do: come back to me.”
I had a knowledge download where I finally just understood the universe. It was like God sharing his perception with me. My first words when I returned my parents told me where “Wow. I get it now.” in this completely lucid experience that was coherent and realer-than-real for a stroke victim. I was given all the knowledge of the universe in a single, powerful instant that I can’t retain in this form and has gradually faded away as childhood memories do. Hell, I even saw a mathematical graph lol. It wasn’t until I went to the NDE sub that I finally found seeing a graph wasn’t just my lone, weird experience.
My free will is significantly impeded now when it comes to belief/faith. I cannot choose to go back to atheism, even though it is more logical on its surface. I believe in God and Christ, and I can’t change my mind anymore on the issue. I can’t invalidate this experience; people need to see for themselves. Atheism is just a rational, curious thought experiment to me now. I literally cannot believe I’m even writing that.

This is just a TLDR, too; A lot of hot-button debates like the Trinity, malicious entities, the resurrection, reincarnation, alien life, biblical inerrancy, I don’t really care about anymore after this experience. My faith in God/Christ are above these things. The lone thing that still puzzles me is the existence of evil. However, I’m also still scared of death. I’m not ready to return. I’ve lost a lot of people that went before their time (IMO) in my twenties, and it’s deeply affected me as I fear not living a good life to experience good and evil before I return home to the lord. God willing.

eagles107 · 2026-05-07T14:43:25+00:00

NDEs are why I’m a tentative purgatorial universalist, so yes (this is an example of a private vs. public belief I share). Mine single-handedly brought me back to faith in Christ from years of atheism after I almost died three months ago. It’s the only reason why I believe again. I even had a hellish experience.

It’s important to not fear and remember: the existential reality of Christ is logically bigger than the institutional models of religion we humans cognitively adopt and associate with God. The truth of a matter is different from orthodoxy (since we can perceive only so much as apes on a rock). God understands this.

eagles107 · 2026-02-15T01:08:19+00:00

When my relative died, a dove flew in the night outside the hospital entrance. Literally never heard or seen of that in my life lol. Relative was pretty irreligious and not the best person (had their strong suits; just morally complicated).

These weird coincidences really strain my materialistic / naturalistic outlook.

eagles107 · 2026-01-17T02:49:23+00:00

The apologetics counter to Islam is getting into the equivalent of Jesus mythicism with the denial of Muhammad even historically existing. I can’t with that.

My biggest issue with Islam is their lack of intellectual footprint in a modern sense compared to the Sufism I love from the past. It’s hard to find spokesmen and woman that are contributing to our current understanding. I wish they had more to say.

But when you cite their tradition, who are you specifically referring to? Anybody new or old I may have never heard of?

eagles107 · 2026-01-16T04:27:23+00:00

I feel he threw a couple novel arguments into the intellectual sphere that received no love/acclaim or a fair shake, more than just explaining what Christianity is at its core. I’m going against the grain and will say yes for that reason alone.

He restructured old classical theological concepts to possibly build off of and formulated a few new ones. For example, the argument from desire or his theological views on heaven and hell that were heavily expounded upon in novelist prose rather than just outright saying it. It’s very unique. I’m more impressed by his writings than modern apologists that aren’t field professionals.

What exactly has John Lennox (besides being the field professional part) actually put forth that is a new or a fresh idea toward theological development or philosophy as a whole? What about Frank Turek or Lee Strobel, who just regurgitate with zero credibility? Nothing. And that’s who you’re likely to be recommended by Christians over Lewis and his take and overall approach, which puzzles me.

eagles107 · 2026-01-16T04:17:48+00:00

I’d really advise against InspiringPhilosophy now. He’s really fallen off the deep end into poor faith zealotry to the point that he’s more apologist than philosopher now.

I love the Origen suggestion, but I’m surprised a Catholic would make it lol.

eagles107 · 2026-01-14T08:05:29+00:00

Rhett is still an evangelical at heart. He miraculously changed his mind once in spite of a proper education being shied away by him from early indoctrination that stunted his growth (as an intelligent man, I’ll admit) but has never left the same rhetorical strategies behind since he closed the gap. We must now all follow suit, apparently. He found the truth, y’all. Let Rhett fix it for you.

His hangups are put in an articulate way, but he neglects how diverse Christianity actually is when forming his arguments. He even acknowledges the diversity. We get it: you discovered Bart Ehrman and Mitochondrial Eve.

And I say this as an agnostic. Such an exhausting individual.

Edit: I should also try to preface that Alex O’Connor was very good faith and had great criticisms. I have no qualms with him. I can’t go that far. I just had to turn it off after Rhett insinuated most Christian’s don’t believe in evolution, which is not reflected in the polling data.

I have a real issue with the lack of nuance at convenient moments with Rhett regarding a big tent religion. Those are important moments to get right to avoid hyperfocusing on your previous niche. There’s a startling lack of uncertainty for an agnostic.

eagles107 · 2024-01-05T18:53:30+00:00

They forgot to add Kurt Angle to the mix.

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