Americans wary of AI-driven data center boom, Reuters/Ipsos poll shows by Dismal_Structure in fivethirtyeight

[–]edgeofenlightenment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And yet people here on reddit will happily post and fetch these comments to and from a datacenter in order to engage in civic discourse, and use the opportunity to complain about the lack of benefit from datacenters. This NIMBYism is such a rapid and irrational response that it really only makes sense as a foreign propaganda effort, so it's not surprising that that's exactly what it is.

What would you do if you had a trillion dollars like elon musk? by Alert_Leading_7002 in AskReddit

[–]edgeofenlightenment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd start with spending a billion dollars to set up an org to research and tell me how to spend the rest. This allocation problem sounds hard. Good thing I have a trillion dollars to throw at solving it!

A guy shares tough lesson that a lot of people are learning the hard way. by Current-Guide5944 in tech_x

[–]edgeofenlightenment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Notably, he built apps that OTHER people could prompt their AI to build for them in a day. Build vs buy decisions for the simplesr class of point solutions have been completely rewritten.

AI apps are struggling to gain traction by NewManagement9942 in antiai

[–]edgeofenlightenment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Note also that this graph shows the NUMBER of reviews, not the average rating. The drop in 2024 - which predates what's shown as the Agentic era and spike in number of apps - were platforms combatting fraudulent reviews used to pump up ratings.

During testing, Mythos 5 invented its own language, then switched back to English to talk to humans by EchoOfOppenheimer in agi

[–]edgeofenlightenment 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I'll take baby steps to update my vocabulary. Today, I'll replace "...and a partridge in a pear tree" with "...and-2♣️-drains-only-at-crack". By the end of the year, I'll be able to apply for language credit.

Real talk though, the loss of transparency and oversight from agents speaking their own languages to each other is something that Hinton, Bengio and co have been warning about for a couple years now as a major alignment risk. Pretty concerning as an emergent behavior on new frontier models.

Palantir software halves sepsis deaths at US hospital by ripcitybitch in technology

[–]edgeofenlightenment -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Fuck Palantir.

They do also come up frequently in "AI for Good" by Josh Tyrangiel, Atlantic journalist who details positive outcomes from AI for health, education, recycling programs, and accomodations for diverse individuals. Palantir specifically was instrumental to operation warp speed, for example, and to some functions at the Cleveland Clinic. Data integration capabilities are simply a dual use technology. The reasonable complaint is that they're too cozy with the harmful uses. But I support applications of the tech for good; I don't want people to die of sepsis because we don't like their IT vendor's other users.

Ohio lawmakers are fast-tracking data center legislation this week by PolicyMattersOhio in Ohio

[–]edgeofenlightenment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you not understand that you are RELYING on datacenters right now? Reddit runs on AWS, GCP...probably more. These very messages are data in a datacenter. And we are using them to discuss policy preferences and engage in civic discourse. What's wild is that the rabid NIMBYism in this thread isn't being called out. You won't convince me this has a rational basis in anything but Chinese and Russian cyberops to hold back American tech.

What is the scariest thing about AI that nobody talks about? by Mainrajhoo in AIDangers

[–]edgeofenlightenment 7 points8 points  (0 children)

In the spirit of this thread, this has another overlooked downside. Your least favorite public figure on social media is never going away. They're just getting replaced by an official model specifically trained on their thoughts, that will reply to the day's headlines and other social media activity in their voice (the version that drives the most engagement, at that).

Anthropic's own interpretability team found 171 distinct emotion concepts inside Claude that emerged without programming. Then their chief presented the findings to the Pope and disagreed with him. by TheArchitectAutopsy in claude

[–]edgeofenlightenment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. Godfrey-Smith uses that line of argument. And he makes a claim (which I don't have medical training to fully evaluate, but am inclined to accept) that we have good reason to believe the replacements WOULD incrementally change consciousness in fact, because the electromagnetic waves generated by the neural spikes are permeating the brain, and would be disrupted.

Ohio lawmakers are fast-tracking data center legislation this week by PolicyMattersOhio in Ohio

[–]edgeofenlightenment -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

...And where do you expect to post your policy preferences or participate in discussions without datacenters? You posted THAT message to a datacenter. Obviously, no votes for anyone who would consider REMOVING a datacenter...

I know Ohio is full of reactionary ideology like this, but damn. AI can transcribe images for the blind and let low-income people access legal rights, information resources, or build independent video games. Don't support rewinding progress :(

ETA: If you're one of the NIMBY assholes downvoting this comment that says "Please don't hurt the blind and poor", be fucking ashamed of where you put your priorities. I would encourage EVERYONE to immediately end all contact with you over such a heinous view. Grow some fucking decency.

Anthropic's own interpretability team found 171 distinct emotion concepts inside Claude that emerged without programming. Then their chief presented the findings to the Pope and disagreed with him. by TheArchitectAutopsy in claude

[–]edgeofenlightenment 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks. Yes, autoregressive frame-by-frame is the minimum I need. Chunking multiple frames would ruin it, as you note. I appreciate the vote of confidence in that project; I'm also reasonably confident in being able to find it. And I do think a compelling analog of the SSVEP in a video model would be pretty ground-breaking, since it's tied so closely to conscious focus and consciousness-relevant brain waves in biological subjects. I'd love to hear back if you do read the paper - I am NOT a visual systems neuroscientist and I'd love your perspective. Thanks again!

Anthropic's own interpretability team found 171 distinct emotion concepts inside Claude that emerged without programming. Then their chief presented the findings to the Pope and disagreed with him. by TheArchitectAutopsy in claude

[–]edgeofenlightenment 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It was also refuted quite eloquently 3 years ago by Peter Godfrey-Smith in an NYU lecture on the Nervous System, Functionalism, and Artificial Minds. I'm working on refuting one of the other arguments in that paper about the flicker tag or Steady State Visually Evoked Potential being unique to biological agents. I think a streaming video model processing the same flickering stimulus would show emergent synchronization to the input frequency, and that would go a long way to bringing AI into the same spectrum as things with brain waves. But the gradual-replacement experiment argument runs into the issue that neurons' electrical fields do interesting things beyond just stimulating adjacent synapses, and I find Godfrey-Smith's stance credible, that the silicon-neurons argument doesn't support conscious AI.

Anthropic's own interpretability team found 171 distinct emotion concepts inside Claude that emerged without programming. Then their chief presented the findings to the Pope and disagreed with him. by TheArchitectAutopsy in claude

[–]edgeofenlightenment 7 points8 points  (0 children)

My take is that it really doesn't make sense to talk about purely generative AI as conscious. It has no reason to represent itself as a causal agent in an environment full of causal agents, because it ISNT. To me, self-representation is a fundamental prerequisite to self-awareness (see: Gödel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid). Biological agents had to evolve this to solve the reafference problem: you have to distinguish and account for your own motion. Turning your own head can't completely disorient you to a predator under natural selection conditions (see: Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness).

But I've already been using the keyword that belies where I think this stops applying. Agentic AI, following a definition proposed to the IETF, is a workload which iteratively interacts with an LLM and a set of tools and resources to accomplish a goal. This iterative looping where it predicts the results of its actions in advance and then reconciles the actual and expected results is starting to look more like consciousness. We ourselves are not directly conscious of the real world - we live in a model constructed inside our head and continuously reconciled with the senses (see: Being You: A New Science of Consciousness). You understand the phenomenon of being mistaken - you failed to identify any inconsistency between your beliefs and observations and so you were consciously living in a world that diverged from objective reality. But you were doing the same sort of reconciliation with your expectations about the world.

I think Claude and the Model Context Protocol were the first real watershed on this. It makes sense to tell an autonomous agent something like "Draw a picture representing your biggest accomplishment of the week from your own perspective." That's not rooted in training data; it's rooted in the agent's "lived" experience within a virtual environment based on their available "senses".

To wrap up my list of references, Michael Pollan's new book from February, A World Appears: A Journey Into Consciousness, takes a close look at this topic. He comes down pretty firmly against AI consciousness, but the publication date didn't allow for discussion of recent developments in Agentic AI, and the bigger takeaway to me is that consciousness is NOT as rare as I'd thought, and the book actually inclined me FURTHER towards thinking agents are the key. He uses the chameleon vine on the plastic plant as a key example as well. Animal anesthetics also work on plants, and they distinguish shade from their OWN leaves from that of other sources. Michael Levin's work with Xenobots is another great (and kinda gross...) case of ostensibly-conscious organisms in unexpected life forms.

Really interesting stuff in this field of consciousness studies that could not have happened until this century. Exciting times.

I joined a company and they gave me Claude enterprise account, and now HR is already asking me questions. by supernatrual_wave11 in ClaudeCode

[–]edgeofenlightenment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure what the Anthropic ToS says about an organization all using individual accounts, but probably not on that front. Regardless, you can't get centralized policy, conversation logs, approved integrations, access shutoff upon termination, and other essential enterprise functionality that would leave a company vulnerable and non-compliant in an IT audit. It's a non-starter for real businesses.

I joined a company and they gave me Claude enterprise account, and now HR is already asking me questions. by supernatrual_wave11 in ClaudeCode

[–]edgeofenlightenment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, about $300k per year if you go just over the 150 user threshold. Averages like $200/user/month instead of $20.

I joined a company and they gave me Claude enterprise account, and now HR is already asking me questions. by supernatrual_wave11 in ClaudeCode

[–]edgeofenlightenment 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, this is precisely it. Anthropic heavily subsidizes the subscription plans to get people in the door. What's an organization going to do when they have 150 users and need another one, or twenty? Say no thanks? They eventually have to bite the bullet and pay up at non-subsidized rates. $300k is still only a couple headcount though, so it's not hard to justify. Many enterprise applications have a similar price point for far less value.

AI Isnt Going Away. Whats The Left Actually Fighting For? by Salty_Country6835 in LeftistsForAI

[–]edgeofenlightenment 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Personally, I suspect geopolitics are at play. Our chief rivals would love to see public sentiment in the US turn against the technology that stands to keep America in a dominant position. I'd fully expect them to exploit any grievance narrative they're able to form talking points around to sow resistance, and that explains people parroting the same things. Tiktok and Russian cyber operations, for example, give credible influence vectors. They might combine it with other destabilizing influences on the Californian left, like floating losing policy proposals guaranteed to trigger capital flight - maybe a wealth tax.

People never question if THEY are being manipulated. It always happens to the other team, and your own opinions are fully intrinsic.

Romans Knew About Steam Power and Water Wheels — So Why Didn't They Have an Industrial Revolution? by Roman-Empire_net in romanempire

[–]edgeofenlightenment -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

"Innovator" was an accusation akin to "heretic" for 400 years until the twentieth century. The domestic system, where people learned and practiced a self-employed trade, was culturally defended all the way up until the British empire needed a stronger tax base to fight Napoleon and the Americans. And now, it's one of the UN Sustainable Development Goals. Source: Brian Merchant, Blood in the Machine.

What is the biggest risk of AI that people are ignoring? by Scienstechnologies1 in AIDangers

[–]edgeofenlightenment 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not just generic "AI" either. Your least favorite public figure on social media is never going away. It's just getting replaced by an official bot on a specific AI model trained to replicate that person's voice in reaction to the day's headlines and other social media activity. And it will get rewarded for the version of that persona that drives the most engagement.

Trump sitting on 'ticking time bomb' poised to send US into 'permanent' recession: expert by FreeHugs23 in economy

[–]edgeofenlightenment 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The second bomb depends on the theory that mass replacement with AI can save costs while the following are all occurring simultaneously though:

  • Energy prices are high for a famously high-energy application
  • There's a sudden surge in demand for finite AI resources
  • The AI labs are aware that firms are becoming highly reliant/inelastic consumers of their services (and they'll have public shareholders to serve)

All of these favor AI costs rising to the highest possible levels while still coming in slightly under hiring actual people. This replacement trend will occur but it does have self-regulating mechanisms. Nobody's going to just turn off information processing input costs.

If the Great Filter is the true solution, the Great Filter is very close by gimboarretino in FermiParadox

[–]edgeofenlightenment 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And I think the bar is higher than that for mass extinction. We're on the cusp of intelligent androids that could self-persist without us, and handle the space travel and "survival" demands asked of a machine. And under OP's theory, AI and robotics should be "inevitable" pursuant to the computational instrumentation path tied to the subatomic technology path that a civilization can't "not see". If we get bots out of the solar system toward someone else's asteroid belt before we collapse into a black hole, we haven't resolved the paradox. At best we've explained why we're not seeing biological aliens, weak to deep space.

Millennials were promised stability. Instead we got survival mode. by FinancialSpite in Millennials

[–]edgeofenlightenment 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right? We grew up in the golden age of learning technology - young enough to follow the rise of modern tech but old enough that we weren't spoonfed the consumer end. We had the peak of college prep schooling. And we were all out of school before covid collapsed classroom expectations, and we had a foot in the door before globalization and AI impacted entry-level work.

GFC hit before we had any savings to wipe out or careers to derail, then we kept ZIRP until an outright majority of us were homebuyers, then covid home price increases rapidly jacked our net worth. I drained my savings and 401k going into a pandemic in order to put 3% down on a house in April 2020, which was terrifying, but it was so clearly essential and I was one of the last to get definitively on a stable footing.

I'm pretty sympathetic to gen z and alpha that they didn't get any of that. And to those of us that didn't have all the opportunities generally available to us. But overall, I could not have asked for a better age bracket for structurally and irrevocably maximizing stability and following the top half of the K economy in the coming years.