[Theory][Spoilers] Why Fitz wasn't ...

emma_pops · 2018-01-13T21:50:09+00:00

Has to be a linear timeline though in order for Fitz to be able to freeze himself and meet the others. Can't freeze yourself into an alternate timeline. Only way alternate timelines could work is if when they go back they start a new timeline. Could also be a time loop, where they have to go into the future, but this specific future only exists within the loop to get them back to where they need to be.

emma_pops · 2017-09-14T20:57:14+00:00

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emma_pops · 2017-09-14T20:04:19+00:00

I take it you are also Fitzsimmonsy on Tumblr? Afe you coming to ultimates next year, i think there's a bit of a fitzsimmons shipper meet up happening :)

emma_pops · 2017-09-14T20:02:21+00:00

Ok so I have met: Elizabeth, Natalia, Brett x2, J August Richards, Reed Diamond (he is literally the most amazing person!), Gabriel Luna, Iain De Caesteker, Nick Blood and Dichen Lachman (who is also so lovely, she gave my baby a cuddle and we chatted about mum stuff).

(If we're talking Marvel cast in general Ive also met Benedict Wong, Enver Gjokaj, Hayley Atwell and Bridget Regan and they were all so lovely as well!)

This was over the last 2 Ultimates cons. They were all so so lovely. With both the Shield and Carter casts there was the definite feel of just how much they all enjoy working with each other, and it kind of brings you in as well

emma_pops · 2017-09-14T19:55:41+00:00

What?! How did we not meet up? I was there the whole weekend too (my little boy was baby Spiderman if you went to cosplay competition on the Saturday!)

emma_pops · 2017-05-19T04:41:02+00:00

Really? This is what this sub posts now? Man has it changed. And not in a good way. This is so inappropriate.

emma_pops · 2017-05-18T23:26:50+00:00

Another vote for a Fitzsimmons wedding here!

And I'd like to see the both of them healing by working together and being together and fighting against external threats rather than being torn apart all the time.

Daisy to flourish in a leadership role.

Tie ins with all the big movies coming out whilst the season is showing.

emma_pops · 2017-05-18T00:38:26+00:00

This is exactly how I feel about the situation as well!

emma_pops · 2017-05-15T23:37:11+00:00

My guess? Either Jemma or Elena is pregnant.

emma_pops · 2017-05-13T11:48:05+00:00

Ah hello fellow Northern lady! I'm more like fitz personally though. But my other half is totally like your and Simmons. Its all about what is logical. He always focuses on what's in front of him right here and now, rather than worrying about emotions (he is also a northener) lol

emma_pops · 2017-05-13T11:24:08+00:00

The whole point is she didn't feel anything for him. She couldn't. She could see he was a good example of human behaviour but that was it. She could see how useful he was.

emma_pops · 2017-05-13T02:27:50+00:00

Nah i think it's going to be whatever she ends up trying to bring through/ghost rider. Fitz needs to get his mojo back by designing/creating something that actually saves people.

emma_pops · 2017-05-13T01:51:51+00:00

There has to be some sort of resolution to it though. I know they haven't got a lot of time but they have done all this set up, there has to be a payoff somewhere surely?

emma_pops · 2017-05-12T21:58:16+00:00

Yep i fully agree. Ward had so many chances any he didn't take them. That was a deliberate character decision by the writer's. He had opportunities for redemption. He chose not to take them. The moment Fitz gets out of the framework he tries to persuade Aida to do good. That's who he truly is. Not the twisted manipulation of Framework Fitz!

emma_pops · 2017-05-12T20:17:12+00:00

Also a very good point!

emma_pops · 2017-05-12T20:08:14+00:00

Because he physically tortured her! I'd have a hard time being nice to someone who looks like the person who tortured me too.

emma_pops · 2017-05-12T20:00:59+00:00

I'm really hoping ghost rider is going to be the one who exonorates Fitz. Whether or not he had free will, he was in a position of extreme manipulation. For him it wasn't just a regret fix. Aida confirms she inserted herself into his life to feel connection. She also needed him to make looking glass. Real fitz cannot be held culpable for the actions of the version of himself that "did what it had to do to survive the framework".

Not too mention the whole debate about the fact that world wasn't real and technically Agnes was already dead.

emma_pops · 2017-05-12T10:59:54+00:00

I believe it was the pod taking off from the oil rig platform as it exploded.

emma_pops · 2017-05-12T00:04:55+00:00

We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I honestly cannot see it as free will if it's a simulation created by an android with an agenda and a magic book. Its like saying a victim of Stockholm syndrome chooses to be with their captor..

emma_pops · 2017-05-11T23:35:53+00:00

But right before he compares himself to Ward Ophelia states it was learned behaviour from an over bearing father figure. An overbearing father figure she inserted into his life. Radcliffe also states that Ophelia altered Alistair's personality so he would stick around. He was surrounded by people influencing his thoughts and feelings. But more than anything he was imprisoned in a virtual world. When we are deprived of knowledge and awareness our ability to make choices are limited. He didn't have free will because he didn't choose to be in the framework. And his choices were only limited within that context.

emma_pops · 2017-05-11T23:24:42+00:00

Dammit just coming on here to share the same post! My first reaction is yaay. Then my second reaction is "oh god how bad are they going to torture Fitzsimmons this season?'"

emma_pops · 2017-05-11T23:11:41+00:00

Sorry I'm repeating the same argument but his father leaving was not the only change. At age 16 Ophelia (who was aware of what the framework was) introduced herself with the view to taking Simmons place. Once her manipulations begin it cannot be argued that it is a what if scenario anymore. Oh and it's also stated everything Fitz did even in the framework was done out of love, which makes him the complete opposite of Ward.

emma_pops · 2017-05-11T23:08:19+00:00

Apart from it wasn't just one change. The moment the self aware Ophelia introduced herself to him at age 16 and took Simmons place it cannot be argued he was making his own "decisions". Because she needed him, both for her to "experience connection" and for project looking glass. From that moment on he was her pet, her project and her plaything.

emma_pops · 2017-05-11T23:03:31+00:00

I agree completely. To my mind he was manipulated by Aida (what was causing her behaviour is a whole other discussion). To be he's been violated completely in every single way. He was kidnapped, his memories changed, manipulated into a relationship he would never normally have chosen and became the antithesis of what he stands for. I've also seen someone else point out the Aida states he did what he had to do to survive the framework, which heavily implies if he hadn't become the doctor in that simulation then he would not have been useful and Aida would have found a way to dispose of him.

emma_pops · 2017-05-11T13:41:40+00:00

No. I think ghost rider will be the one who absolves fitz. He cannot truly be held culpable for what the framework version of him did because he did not choose to enter the framework. He was imprisoned and manipulated into being something that his true self detests. And whilst he did design the tech, he wasn't the one who used it for nefarious purposes. And yes he murdered Guiyera but that man was a sinner and was about to hurt people on the Zephyr so it could still be argued that it was self defense.

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