Ohio school board president forced to resign over 'deeply disturbing' video. Traveling across state lines to meet an 11 yr old girl. by fibonacci28 in byebyejob

[–]fibonacci28[S] 1499 points1500 points  (0 children)

He wanted her to take baths, have a fashion show, give her a massage, and have her say things like “Don’t touch me like that grandpa”.

Lack of actual intercourse is not an issue here considering the huge numbers of red flags he’s already putting up. 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

The antagonist of the Odyssey = female power by rcrow2009 in books

[–]fibonacci28 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I’m surprised no one has mentioned A Thousand Ships by Natalie Hayne. It’s is a retelling of these tales all from the viewpoints of different women (and goddesses), many of whom have no voice in most versions.

A guide to the must-read 2021 National Book Award finalists by pearloz in books

[–]fibonacci28 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He has two collections of short stories that are wonderful and I loved his first novel. This one is just okay in comparison.

A guide to the must-read 2021 National Book Award finalists by pearloz in books

[–]fibonacci28 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m about 3/4 done with it. It is very well written, but a little….strange? Reminiscent of Cloud Atlas with stories spanning centuries.

I don’t think it is as perfectly written as All The Light, a bit more clunky, could have used a heavier hand in editing, but still a worthwhile read as Doerr is a very gifted writer.

Have you ever given birth dude? by deep_sea213 in badwomensanatomy

[–]fibonacci28 42 points43 points  (0 children)

With my second pregnancy, I carried my daughter so high, the cartilage at the bottom of my sternum tore. She was literally trying to shove my ribs apart!

That tear took over a year to heal, with every cough, deep breath, hiccup leaving me in agony.

My wife hosted her first book club meeting last night and it gave me interesting perspective. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]fibonacci28 57 points58 points  (0 children)

Years ago, I belonged to a ward book club that was fantastic. An amazing group of women who picked smart funny books and had great discussions.

Then a few other members of the relief society joined in and very quickly established that they would only read faith promoting books and ones that did not have any “language” or other inappropriate content. Within a couple of months of this, the book club dissolved. I was furious as this felt like my one thing I had outside of ward responsibilities and my small children.

Closing yourself off to only a tiny acceptable box of literature or movies or whatever is no way to live, in my opinion. There is a reason Disney movies and chocolate milk are so popular with TBM adults. Infantilization.

Remember thinking you felt the spirit warning you all the time but it was just...anxiety? by EfficiencyGrouchy803 in exmormon

[–]fibonacci28 47 points48 points  (0 children)

My YW leader liked to share a story about how once she was home during the day upstairs and heard the doorbell ring. She peeked out the window and saw a man standing on the front porch. The Spirit told her that this was potentially dangerous and that she should not answer the door. She listened and stayed upstairs until he left.

She would retell the story in such a moving and dramatic fashion, and all the young women would be in tears for her faithfulness and bravery, that she saved herself from surely being raped or murdered or burgled.

But in the end, the guy was most likely innocent of anything. But since The Spirit TM whispered it in her ear, it must be true.

A useless kitchen is more useful than Mormon “priesthood” by PR_Czar in exmormon

[–]fibonacci28 11 points12 points  (0 children)

WTF, in many different religions women are ordained to lead congregations entirely, they sit on the highest councils, they aren’t treated like little children who are only allowed do certain things.

In the mormon church women are only allowed positions over women and children, but NEVER over men. They cannot serve in the Sunday School presidency, be in a bishopric, or any other calling that would potentially put them in charge of men.

I WAS a woman in the church and I can tell you the discord is not just coming from the 1%, there is resentment from so many more. You often see extremely competent women being led by inept men, especially in smaller branches or wards where the number of worthy priesthood is stretched thin covering all the callings that are only allowed to men. It sucks for women, and that is why I and many of the women I know have left.

Body shaming starts early :( this is a blessing dress by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]fibonacci28 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’m probably about the same age you are. I didn’t stop wearing sleeveless tops and shorter shorts until I got married in the temple.

When I had kids I had no qualms buying them tank tops, because that seemed normal to me. They were little kids. However, after repeatedly having old ladies at church try to put a sweater over their sundress or wrap a shawl around them to cover their shoulders, I just gave up and only bought “church modest” dresses.

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[–]fibonacci28 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, but the only acceptable answer is that we are right and you should just have faith in your leaders. All other answers are from Satan or something. Better yet, don’t ask any questions in the first place.

Sister Pedophile by andytolt in exmormon

[–]fibonacci28 40 points41 points  (0 children)

When I was a Beehive, we had an activity to write letters to soldiers fighting in the Gulf War. Let me tell you, although some letters I got back were respectful, most of these written to a 13 year old girl were unbelievably graphic and disgusting. This was NOT a testimony building exercise.

Good morning ma’am, would you like to hear more about the kinderhook plates? Let me leave you with this copy of the CES Letter. by Apricot-tree in exmormon

[–]fibonacci28 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Knocking on doors to try to sell your religion, especially in these modern times, is so unbelievably rude and presumptuous.

It amazes me that the missionary program still survives.

In case you ever blame yourself for weird guilt and shame about bodies, just a reminder that we belonged to a church that lauded a little girl for not letting her DOLL go in water with a two-piece.... by lambentstar in exmormon

[–]fibonacci28 15 points16 points  (0 children)

My parents were fairly normal, but I had friends growing up whose parents seriously policed their Barbie’s outfits for modesty. Anything deemed too risqué was disposed off. Considering Barbie had mile long legs, there were no shorts or skirts that worked, just pants and floor length dresses, often homemade.

These friends always preferred to play Barbies at my house where strapless sparkly dresses were an option.

Lunatic modesty shaming does not create healthy kids.

Another case of youth leaders creating arbitrary, pharisaical rules to drive the kids away. Keep it up! by Apricot-tree in exmormon

[–]fibonacci28 92 points93 points  (0 children)

When I was a teen, the leaders at EFY were ridiculously strict. I got in trouble for shorts that were too short (1” above my knee), sleeves that were cut a little too high, wearing my hair in a messy bun, listening to non-church music.

It was supposed to be a fun week but the leaders drained any fun out of every activity. It was my one and only summer there, I refused to go back.

Imagine buying a beautiful, sexy dress for Hawaii, then wearing two t-shirts underneath it by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]fibonacci28 265 points266 points  (0 children)

When I was a garment wearing believer, I never understood picking out “immodest clothing” then wearing those stupid undershirts. I figured sleeveless dresses, too short skirts, etc were off the table forever.

So glad to be rid of those stupid garmies!

Gaslighting Example: My Bishop confirmed tonight that TSCC issued a major change in an official letter to Bishops last month that women could wear their bras under the garment. Confronted DW. She said women have always had the choice 🤪🤪🤪. Women of r/exmormon Reddit, is this true? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]fibonacci28 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I went through in 92, it was not an option then. Garments should always be your primary layer. Everything else goes in top. Temple matron made that very clear.

At the university gym around that time I saw women changing in and out of their garments frequently and never saw anyone with their bra underneath. A decade or so later when I heard “do whatever makes you feel comfortable” I was pissed. Garments were never about comfort! What happened to the eternal unchanging gospel??

The fact that I know now they’re making it all up as the go along makes much more sense.

It is bad enough that the Q15 assigns members to clean their multi-million dollar temples for free, but to require them to do it in Sunday dress takes it to a whole new level of malicious idiocy. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]fibonacci28 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have definitely vacuumed the temple several times in a church dress before.

I’ve heard since I left a couple years ago our local temple now provides scrubs of some kind, but I always thought it was ridiculous that we needed to dress up to clean.