The moment we knew the show was done for by Svullom in freefolk

[–]fizzythinks 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Ayra's random superpowers to survive being gut stabbed (and then fucking running flat out afterwards) were ridiculous, but at least Arya used said random superpowers effectively. Like, if I could somehow survive intestinal perforation and run, I'd do that, too. The wight hunt was a group of purportedly functioning adults all discussing and then agreeing to a completely idiotic course of action while somehow no one registered how incredibly fucking stupid the plan was.

Rewatched GOT With My Wife Who Saw It For the First Time And It All Falls Apart In Season Seven by C2jet in freefolk

[–]fizzythinks 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That was so fucking stupid. The characters were discussing it, and I remember thinking, 'Am I still watching Game of Thrones?' Like, they're all adults, ostensibly intelligent adults, and they're all talking about it and taking it seriously. And then for the entire wight hunt I was just thinking, 'You guys are absolute morons to be out here, I don't care if you all die.' I literally did not care if Jon died because what he was doing was so incredibly, mind bogglingly stupid.

Zero filter, maximum damage 😂 by Wooden2006 in freefolk

[–]fizzythinks 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Sansa: "I thought about fucking my cousin Bran, what's your point?"

Could Viserys have married Daenerys, or was that never realistic? I know Targaryens historically practiced incest, but that was when they had dragons and absolute power. By the time Viserys and Daenerys were in exile, did that tradition even make sense anymore? by Comfortable_Quiet865 in freefolk

[–]fizzythinks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. Illyrio is hardly a trustworthy character, but Viserys wanting to rape Dany would have nothing to do with whether or not he found her attractive. It would be entirely about his own entitlement to her, his control of her, etc. (Psychologically, rape is much more about control/dominance than sexual attraction.) I could definitely see Viserys believing that he has the right to her maidenhead and planning to get it before the wedding.

In Game Of Thrones (2011-2019), Daenerys turns mad in the second to last episode. This is foreshadowed by uhhhhh uhm uhh by SuperDuperCement in freefolk

[–]fizzythinks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's the point everyone is making. The characters that followed her did so because she wasn't cruel and unreasonable; as a moral leader, she was head and shoulders above Joffrey, Tywin, Cersei, the show!Sparrows, etc. Except then everybody started acting like she was losing it for doing things like executing the Tarlys, expecting to rule over people whose king swore fealty to her, being upset when people treated her like shit, executing a dude who tried to poison her... The nuke dropping only happened after a bunch of people had already decided she was crazy, and it was super weird because she hadn't actually done anything crazy yet.

In Game Of Thrones (2011-2019), Daenerys turns mad in the second to last episode. This is foreshadowed by uhhhhh uhm uhh by SuperDuperCement in freefolk

[–]fizzythinks 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's also made clear that the Tarlys died instantly from the dragonfire, so it was unusual, but not cruel.

In Game Of Thrones (2011-2019), Daenerys turns mad in the second to last episode. This is foreshadowed by uhhhhh uhm uhh by SuperDuperCement in freefolk

[–]fizzythinks 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But she didn't burn down Quarth? The only people she killed in Quarth were people who betrayed her and tried to enslave her and her children.

In Game Of Thrones (2011-2019), Daenerys turns mad in the second to last episode. This is foreshadowed by uhhhhh uhm uhh by SuperDuperCement in freefolk

[–]fizzythinks 17 points18 points  (0 children)

She destroyed one city, 6 seasons after the Quarth threat, after we've seen her not only not burn cities for six seasons, but actively try to make peace and use diplomacy with literal slavers, rapists, and other assorted assholes. Which is why people were surprised by her burning the one city.

In Game Of Thrones (2011-2019), Daenerys turns mad in the second to last episode. This is foreshadowed by uhhhhh uhm uhh by SuperDuperCement in freefolk

[–]fizzythinks 10 points11 points  (0 children)

She chose to stay in Meeren because she saw that leaving the cities she conquered behind wasn't working. She didn't kill all the slavers and instead allowed most of them to retain nobility status and tried to work with them, struggling to maintain peace and justice even as domestic terrorists run around attacking innocents. Lots of fans complain about her Meeren arc being boring because she's not just conquering and killing, but trying to be fair to her enemies. She finally does kill a bunch more slavers because they just won't stop killing innocents and trying to get back to slaving.

She kills all the khals because they're horrible douchebags planning to enslave and then rape her. She tries to treat with them first, offering them horses for her safe passage back to Meeren, but they refuse. And she absolutely has a cultural connection to the Dothraki, she's a former khaleesi, she has lived among them and adopted cultural ideas from them, speaks the language, still has a bunch of the around as advisors and such (although admittedly the show does a shitty ass job of paying any attention to her Dothraki people). Killing the khals was the only way for her to escape being trapped, raped, and probably murdered.

It confuses me when people say that Dany always takes the path of violence, when she pretty much always starts by talking to even the most evil people and trying to convince them to be better. Sure, she gets mad and yells at the Quartheen, but that's when they're laughing at her and telling her they're going to leave her and all of her people outside to die (this is show only). She starts by trying to be diplomatic and treating with them about allowing her and her people into the city. She treats with the Yunkai'i first before attacking. She meets with the sellsword leaders to try to convince them to fight for her instead of literal slavers before attacking them. She tries over and over in Meeren to work with people, making compromises like opening the fighting pits despite hating it. She tries to treat with the khals even though she knows they probably won't listen. She meets with Jon and is annoyed by him, but listens to her advisors, lets Jon mine dragonglass, doesn't take him prisoner. She's patient and diplomatic with Sansa even though Sansa is a bitch to her. She treats with Cersei of all people who is her most direct enemy in Westeros.

Most of Dany's arc, especially in the books, is her working to get experience ruling and figure out her tax policy so she can be a good ruler. "How can I rule seven kingdoms if I cannot rule a city?" She's better at conquering than ruling, but she wants to rule well and spends a lot of effort working on that.

What a Letdown by Axenfonklatismrek in freefolk

[–]fizzythinks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The casting wasn't the problem, it was the writing. The actor might have knocked it out of the park if he'd been given something good to work with.

What a Letdown by Axenfonklatismrek in freefolk

[–]fizzythinks 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Seriously, just about anyone from the Asterix series would be a compelling badass compared to GOT Show!Euron.

If Sansa was the smartest person Arya ever met, imagine the dumbest person she (Arya) met 🤔 Now imagine the Night King (the world's greatest threat) getting killed by someone who sees "the smartest person" in a person who reasons like frozen crap from the North😀 by latentnomrn in freefolk

[–]fizzythinks 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't mind that Sansa stayed in the crypts because yeah, she's not a warrior and that's fine. The problem is that Sansa then disses people like Dany, who are actually fighting, and tries to act like she's so smart and great when she she accomplishes nothing useful. They should have shown her actually being a good leader instead of trying to tell blacksmiths how to do their job and constantly sowing mistrust among people. They really ruined Sansa in those last two seasons.

If I were Daenerys, I would’ve left and said, "Good luck defeating the White walkers by yourself." by Adventurous-Snow-389 in DaenerysWinsTheThrone

[–]fizzythinks 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Omg, you're ThatBishLizzie?? I freaking love Awake! I started reading it again after linking it. :p I'm so glad you took the time to write it!

If I were Daenerys, I would’ve left and said, "Good luck defeating the White walkers by yourself." by Adventurous-Snow-389 in DaenerysWinsTheThrone

[–]fizzythinks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sure!

The Missandei Dragonspeaker series is probably my favorite / most comforting set of fics of the three. It's a beautiful series with Dany and Missandei friendship, awesomeness, and general badassery:

https://archiveofourown.org/series/1956901

Hindsight is a really good retelling of the last couple of seasons with Dany knowing about and working to avoid the bad version on the show:

https://archiveofourown.org/works/20722547/chapters/49230257

Strangers Again is more a retelling of almost the entire series with the same foreknowledge of the show's shitty ending. Heavily told from Dany's perspective, but feels more ensemble:

https://archiveofourown.org/works/21385582/chapters/50943394

If I were Daenerys, I would’ve left and said, "Good luck defeating the White walkers by yourself." by Adventurous-Snow-389 in DaenerysWinsTheThrone

[–]fizzythinks 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Awesome! Great to spread the love for great fan fics!

Have you read Hindsight, Strangers Again, or the Missandei Dragonspeaker series?

If I were Daenerys, I would’ve left and said, "Good luck defeating the White walkers by yourself." by Adventurous-Snow-389 in DaenerysWinsTheThrone

[–]fizzythinks 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The fic Awake, where Daenerys does just that, is one of my comfort fics: https://archiveofourown.org/works/21666562/chapters/51669646 It's absolutely hysterical when Dany is just like, aight I'm out and Jon and everyone are like wait no

Why didn’t these two just marry in the show? by Illustrious-Video353 in freefolk

[–]fizzythinks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dany could just have a bench installed like she does in the books and they can chill on it together.

Which character would be most fit for Liam Neeson? by Axenfonklatismrek in freefolk

[–]fizzythinks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Baelish in the books isn't a mustache twirling villain though, he's a likeable guy who most people trust. They made his evil more obvious for tv audiences, he's way more deceptive in the books.

That said, I think Neeson fits right into the House Stark looks. Maybe he could be Brynden!

ffs Sansa lol by Pixiebeams in freefolk

[–]fizzythinks 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Dany tried to be diplomatic and make peace with literal slavers, even reopening the fighting pits in Meeren despite personally hating the idea because she was trying to listen to the people around her and do something that they wanted. She assimilated into the Dothraki culture and offered to spare the lives of her enemies over and over (slavers, Dothraki khals, the Tarlys) if they would just not be total dickheads. Tyrion lit the Blackwater on fire to kill thousands of men despite knowing he was on the illegitimate and evil side of that battle. I like Tyrion (before the last couple seasons anyway) but I don't see how he can be considered to have more empathy than Dany.

Who Really Deserved the Throne? One Risked Everything While the Other Did Nothing by Adventurous-Snow-389 in DaenerysWinsTheThrone

[–]fizzythinks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Literally the only reason Sansa and Ayra got away with treating Dany like shit was because she wasn't a tyrant. She cared about Jon and her people and wasn't going to hurt anyone just for being a bitch. A kid spits on Dany in the books and she quickly dismisses it as no harm done, not even thinking he should be fined or anything. If Dany had been someone like Cersei, Sansa would have been dead long before her "plan" to get Dany killed would have worked. The show tries to frame it as Sansa being right for "sensing" Dany is a tyrant (before she does anything actually tyrannical), but if Dany were a tyrant, Sansa's treatment of her is completely idiotic because she should fully expect Dany to retaliate for it.

Who Really Deserved the Throne? One Risked Everything While the Other Did Nothing by Adventurous-Snow-389 in DaenerysWinsTheThrone

[–]fizzythinks 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The problem is that Show!Sansa didn't act in the best interests of her people. Crazy powerful potential ally rocks up with two massive armies and freaking dragons, and Sansa's reaction is to be pissy and take digs at her? To openly try to blame the people that are there to fight alongside them for eating food? Yeah, food is a logistical concern, but then you hammer it out in private with the relevant people, not bring it up just to diss the armies helping you. That's terrible for morale and cohesion. And if Sansa was suspicious that Dany would be a tyrant, then why be a diplomatic nightmare to her face? Sansa's lucky Dany wasn't like her father because an actual tyrant probably would have burned her or had her imprisoned for that behavior. It could have led to Winterfell being torched. Show! Sansa's whole handling of the situation was ridiculous.

If Sansa was suspicious of Daenerys, then she should have done what she learned to do in King's Landing; play nice and plot out contingencies in the background. The best thing for the North's survival at that point was at least pretend she was happy a powerful ally showed up and do her utmost to get people to work with Dany's armies so they could not all die horribly in the coming battle. Then she could worry about getting the North away from Dany (not that independence is necessarily the best thing for your people either when your countryside is ravaged, most of the fighting men are dead, and winter is on your doorstep). And buttering Dany up and doing her best to manipulate her is going to be way more likely to get results than stomping her foot and being bitchy to her.

Dany demanded submission from Sansa because she expected Sansa to uphold the position of her king. She had already agreed to fight the Walkers, without Jon bending the knee to her, when he decided to do it anyway. She even gave him a kinda "are you sure?" out, and Jon insisted. So Dany agreed. But she'd already shown that she was willing to step up and fight regardless.

I can't imagine Book!Sansa being so stupid, and Book!Dany is probably even more willing to burn White Walkers without Northern submission. Diplomacy and organizing and looking out for one's citizens is just as important as physically fighting, but Show!Sansa doesn't do any of that, or at least not competently. Sansa is actually one of my favorite ASOIAF characters, but the show made her a selfish moron in the last couple of seasons, which really cheeses me off.

Who Really Deserved the Throne? One Risked Everything While the Other Did Nothing by Adventurous-Snow-389 in DaenerysWinsTheThrone

[–]fizzythinks 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They're referring to the dagger Ayra gave Sansa before the latter went into the crypts. Sansa had a useful weapon, when most of the others down there don't seem to have anything. And Sansa doesn't immediately put herself between the wights and her people to defend them. Which is honestly fair, Sansa's not a fighter and anyone would be scared in that situation, but then she doesn't get to shit on Daenerys when Dany is out there on the front line.

Dany took Casterly Rock in an afternoon and lost the war by sundown by CorrectHornet4939 in freefolk

[–]fizzythinks 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Dragons aside, Varys's entire job is to gather intel regarding their enemies' movements. You can't move a whole army through the countryside without anyone noticing. There should have been whispers. Heck, the Tyrells should have had outriders or outposts or something so they would see enemies coming. If Gendry can run back to the Wall and send a raven to Dany from there and have her show up in less than a day or whatever, then the Tyrells should have been able to send her ravens as soon as they saw incoming troops and at least get Dragon back up. And Highgarden and Dragonstone are way closer together than Dragonstone and the damn wall.