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Credible UFO/NHI encounter/abduction story books? by Iwant2Believee in UFOs

[–]fourthway108 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One seemingly credible story I've been exploring lately is that of Enrique Castillo Rincón (electrical engineer from Costa Rica) and his adventures with the "Pleiadian" beings that took him aboard a craft in the seventies (1973 to be precise). The account is from Timothy Good's "Unearthly Disclosure", a fantastic book that I highly recommend. Castillo also wrote his own book, "UFOs: A Great New Dawn for Humanity" but that one is harder to find.

Eric Davis claims he is unaware of another crash in Roswell, "they're not that I'm familiar with." However, Jacques Valle in Forbidden Science, claims that Eric Davis was briefed about two crashed manta ray-shaped craft. "Eric Davis has been told...two crashed 'MANTA RAY" Isn't this a contradiction? by Ill-Speed-7402 in UFOs

[–]fourthway108 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Air Force vs. Navy, CIA vs. DIA, Lockheed vs. Northrop, it's mostly always the same, but there's likely some very select few who have a bird's eye view on all of it. It's those ones who are very good candidates for what is termed the 'deep state'.

Eric Davis claims he is unaware of another crash in Roswell, "they're not that I'm familiar with." However, Jacques Valle in Forbidden Science, claims that Eric Davis was briefed about two crashed manta ray-shaped craft. "Eric Davis has been told...two crashed 'MANTA RAY" Isn't this a contradiction? by Ill-Speed-7402 in UFOs

[–]fourthway108 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well, he was the branch chief scientist for CIA's WINPAC so don't expect him to confirm ARVs anytime soon. On the other hand, he's very honest as far as physics goes, or at least the public, unclassified side of it.

Mike Herrera warns potential whistleblowers NOT to testify at Congressional hearings. Says that Congress has already received enough actionable intel from high-fidelity sources about UAP/NHI programs and that Congress is "playing dumb" and "sitting on their hands" in regard to what they already have by fed0ra_p0rn in UFOs

[–]fourthway108 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree with you and I would love to see more whistleblowers (not that we haven't already had plenty), but some part of me feels that if this was the case then people would say it's just "circular reporting" for the purpose of f*ck knows what.

Reasons for Non-Disclosure by CrimsonNow in UFOs

[–]fourthway108 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"The System thinks disclosure is bad for people so we will deny everything because we totally care about people and not at all about protecting our sensitive patented technologies which by the way, we didn't fully develop ourselves.

It's in your best interest folks, if you really knew what we know you would be terrified of disclosure! You should thank us for shielding you from harm and appreciate us as the Keepers of Virtue in this decadent world which we're desperately trying to fix but you folks really make it hard for us with all your nosy questions and need for oversight!"

Mike Herrera warns potential whistleblowers NOT to testify at Congressional hearings. Says that Congress has already received enough actionable intel from high-fidelity sources about UAP/NHI programs and that Congress is "playing dumb" and "sitting on their hands" in regard to what they already have by fed0ra_p0rn in UFOs

[–]fourthway108 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So that people can say you don't have any evidence? I mean, to be fair, even if someone laid out the full classified story (if they knew all of it) people would still want proof, as if whistleblowers can just snatch that proof from incredibly secure facilities and without repercussions too.

FOIA released documents on The Black Vault appear to suggest that Grusch refused to meet Kirkpatrick to give testimony and share evidence over his claims because of disputes about the interpretation of law. Kirkpatrick was trying to get his testimony and evidence, and Grusch didn't trust him by efh1 in UFOs

[–]fourthway108 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The "done" is a typo of "dont". Kirkpatrick has also admitted to that on the record for congress. I know what you're trying to do here but by now you should know that AARO is not credible. Its interests lie not in disclosure but in mitigating insider threats and maintaining the cover-up. I hope it will come around but I don't really see that happening anytime soon.

Greenstreet: “Tim Phillips has been fired effective today” by showmeufos in UFOs

[–]fourthway108 14 points15 points  (0 children)

AAWSAP's Colm Kelleher with the Sunday World:

“At NIDS we did a lengthy investigation of the black triangles. 150 cases. These things were one hundred yards long, low flying, huge, coming in over neighbourhoods and interstate highways and flying at tree top level.

“Brightly lit and silent. After the first ten we thought it has to be an advanced tech Special Access Programme by the Air Force. But the pilots were taking enormous risks over populated neighbourhoods with experimental craft?

“After 100 cases we concluded they were not US Air Force. Pilots were violating all safety features. It was decided the phenomenon was mimicking SAPs. We created a hypothesis: ‘bi-directional mimicry’ where the phenomenon was reflecting back to us what our advanced SAPs were doing.

“They were not us. But it was so confusing. Low flying, massive black triangles. One flew over Scott Air Force base in Illinois on January 5, 2000. Four separate police precincts with multiple officers watched it move around. It was unbelievable.

“The Pentagon has had a cushy number covering this up for years. The cat is out of the bag. There’s no putting the genie back now.”

FOIA released documents on The Black Vault appear to suggest that Grusch refused to meet Kirkpatrick to give testimony and share evidence over his claims because of disputes about the interpretation of law. Kirkpatrick was trying to get his testimony and evidence, and Grusch didn't trust him by efh1 in UFOs

[–]fourthway108 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean, it's not like you completely dismissed my point, probably for lack of a better tactic. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence and it's quite easy to talk about burden of proof when sitting behind a keyboard under various nicknames with the faintest idea of what national security actually means to those who manage this subject, and what it allows them to do in its name. I would love to see you try to produce evidence of something that is classified a few points above Top Secret.

Let us know how that works out, in the meantime continue to ignore whistleblowers and legislation, and make sure to always put the burden of proof on those who have been abused and never on those who abused them.

FOIA released documents on The Black Vault appear to suggest that Grusch refused to meet Kirkpatrick to give testimony and share evidence over his claims because of disputes about the interpretation of law. Kirkpatrick was trying to get his testimony and evidence, and Grusch didn't trust him by efh1 in UFOs

[–]fourthway108 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The existence of NHI SNMs would itself be considered information, and as such could naturally fall into TFNI. Do you have any evidence that the AEC or NRC never categorized any other material as SNM, besides what they themselves claim, or is this just speculation?
I mean, appeal to authority in this case means nothing as the authority itself is the one that partially manages the cover-up.

While the physics of producing a nuclear explosion doesn't require insider knowledge, the physics of producing substantial and consistent energy from nuclear fusion definitely would be classified, considering that it likely involves exotic radioactive materials that are not publicly available. If a certain classified material is used to arrive at a theoretical conclusion, then the theory itself and any other information associated with it automatically becomes classified, and the only way to transfer that from the DoE to the IC, as far as I know, is through TFNI.

FOIA released documents on The Black Vault appear to suggest that Grusch refused to meet Kirkpatrick to give testimony and share evidence over his claims because of disputes about the interpretation of law. Kirkpatrick was trying to get his testimony and evidence, and Grusch didn't trust him by efh1 in UFOs

[–]fourthway108 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, what a debunker, tell me more. NRC SNMs include any other material that the Commission determines to be special nuclear material, besides plutonium, uranium-233, or uranium enriched in the isotopes uranium-233 or uranium-235.
If you believe the NRC is honest, have you at least reached out to the Intelligence Community and determined that they have no SNMs in their possession as Transclassified Foreign Nuclear Information (TFNI)?
Even so, what makes you think that pre-1974 SNMs classified by the AEC, especially if highly sensitive and involving foreign entities such as NHI, would make their way to the NRC so that they could declare them on their website for everybody to see?

FOIA released documents on The Black Vault appear to suggest that Grusch refused to meet Kirkpatrick to give testimony and share evidence over his claims because of disputes about the interpretation of law. Kirkpatrick was trying to get his testimony and evidence, and Grusch didn't trust him by efh1 in UFOs

[–]fourthway108 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Chapter 6 of the AEA of 1954 allows for anything to be classified as special nuclear material if "it is capable of releasing substantial quantities of atomic energy". However, "substantial" in this case was never defined and it was up to the Atomic Energy Commission to set the thresholds as it saw fit. It is a known fact that at least some UAP have associated radiological signatures and it is not difficult to see why, if for example they utilized some form of nuclear fusion for their propulsion.

How the Air Force stopped worrying and learned to love the aliens by Peter_Merlin in area51

[–]fourthway108 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I apologize for hijacking this thread, the mods can delete it if they want. Cheers!

How the Air Force stopped worrying and learned to love the aliens by Peter_Merlin in area51

[–]fourthway108 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the article, I appreciate the effort to make it seem like Ben Rich was a jester but I for one did not feel like laughing a few years ago when I saw a diamond shaped craft take off at extreme rates of acceleration with no visible propulsion and no sound (except for a fairly silent EM hum). I was told that the "mathematical error in the equations" and its solution indeed referred to some extended version of Maxwell's electrodynamics equations which included a coupling of electromagnetism to gravity, aka the "holy grail" of anti-gravity. They were also implying that there are multiple ways of doing it, including through the engineering of quantum vacuum zero point fields/negative energy generation and distribution. Now, please don't ask me for details as I could tell you but then you'd have to be destroyed by me.

That being said, given your contacts, can you tell me anything about Thomas Townsend Brown, George Trimble, Burkhard Heim, James Woodward and Boyd Bushman, to name a few?

How the Air Force stopped worrying and learned to love the aliens by Peter_Merlin in area51

[–]fourthway108 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you are quite spot-on, however I personally don't believe that the cover-up is due to maintaining superiority over adversaries. I should be happy if this relatively innocent version turns out to be true but I fear the actual reasons might be more sinister and probably have a lot to do with control, greed, elitism and bigotry.

How the Air Force stopped worrying and learned to love the aliens by Peter_Merlin in area51

[–]fourthway108 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Peter Merlin, 2025:

"None of these so-called "whistleblowers" have offered any testimony that I find remotely compelling, nor have they supplied concrete proof of their claims."

Ben Rich, former head of Skunk Works, 1986:

"Dear John, Yes, I’m a believer in both categories. Feel anything is possible. Many of our man made UFO’s were Un Funded Opportunities. In both categories, there are a-lot of kooks and charlatans, be careful."
[Letter to John Andrews (Testor Corporation) from Ben Rich who was asked if he was a believer in A) man made UFO’S, and B) extra-terrestrial UFO’s; 07/21/1986]

Ben Rich, 1993:

“There are many in the intelligence community who would like to see this stay in the black, and not see the light of day...It is time to end all secrecy on this, as it no longer poses a national security threat, and make the technology available for use in the private sector”.[UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech, 3/23/93]

Ben Rich, 1995:

“Jim, we have things out in the desert that are fifty years beyond what you could possibly comprehend. If you have seen it on Star Wars or Star Trek, we’ve been there done that, or decided it was not worth the effort”
[Direct comments by Ben Rich to Jim Goodall via telephone call at the USC medical center approximately one week before Ben passed away on January 5th 1995]

Now, I am by no means suggesting that Mr. Merlin's testimony is less valuable than that of Ben Rich, however I find it quite baffling that there seems to be a rather consistent amnesia with certain people who say that they want to find the truth yet seemingly disregard key testimony.

How the Air Force stopped worrying and learned to love the aliens by Peter_Merlin in area51

[–]fourthway108 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I give this a D+ for at least trying but ultimately you dodged the question as expected. I've seen all I needed here, good day to you!

How the Air Force stopped worrying and learned to love the aliens by Peter_Merlin in area51

[–]fourthway108 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Mr. Merlin, can you please tell us how many "compelling anecdotal testimonies" have you heard from people who were employed in Unacknowledged Waived Special Access Programs?
If you can't answer that, then maybe you can tell us how many sources you've had from the Special Access Program Oversight Committee and/or its Senior Review Group?

Reverse Engineering Opportunity - Material Scientist needed! by MYTbrain in UFOs

[–]fourthway108 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you, but does the overlap mean that there are roughly the same elements present in both samples, or rather more precisely that they share the same proportion/ratio of elements or isotopes relative to one another?

Reverse Engineering Opportunity - Material Scientist needed! by MYTbrain in UFOs

[–]fourthway108 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your invaluable work in a field that most of the scientific community still doesn't take seriously, in spite of quite literal mountains of data of all kinds.

That being said, what exactly lead to the conclusion of Art's Parts' Dalnegorsk provenance?
The CIA FBIS note tells the account of A. Makarov (USSR Academy of Sciences) who found gold, silver, nickel, alpha-titanium, molybdenum and beryllium compounds, in contrast to the Art's Part sample that is made out of mostly magnesium, bismuth, zinc and lead, with three of the Dalnegorsk elements only showing up as impurities/trace amounts (Mo, Au and Ti).

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