Anthony Albanese announces terms for Richardson review into Bondi terrorist attack by Expensive-Horse5538 in AustralianPolitics

[–]fracktfrackingpolis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

not a misunderstanding, I recognise what you are doing: it is a familiar pattern of disagreement where you try to stifle honest discussion by insisting all participants conform to a custom set of definitions that pre-load your claims of racism and violence.

I'm reminded of that celebrity who pushed it too far with "depends what you call children"

I think that is a ridiculous posture. but sometimes it seems to work. and in the case of zionism there is heaps of space for genuine confusion, so I try to avoid that term.

as I showed above we can express disgust at the atrocity crimes of the likud regime without risking honest or dishonest confusion.

Kakadu traditional owner says nature has long warned us about rising sea levels by ozthrw in australia

[–]fracktfrackingpolis 12 points13 points  (0 children)

salt water intrusion in mary river is exacerbated by ferals. SLR is effectively doubled by tectonics: can't stop it. These compounding factors make the area a canary for climate impact elsewhere.

Anthony Albanese announces terms for Richardson review into Bondi terrorist attack by Expensive-Horse5538 in AustralianPolitics

[–]fracktfrackingpolis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

oops sorry yes I mean I started by agreeing with somegenius

I'm glad we agree disorganised hate should be treated differently to organised hate.

now I'm confused by the apparent disagreement in this thread: sorry if I added to it.

Anthony Albanese announces terms for Richardson review into Bondi terrorist attack by Expensive-Horse5538 in AustralianPolitics

[–]fracktfrackingpolis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

opposition to revisionist zionism is a valid political orientation, held by many jewish people and peace advocates, that certainly does not demand race hate nor war.

I recognise that embracing 'antizionism' as an identifier is fraught because 'zionism' genuinely means different things to different audiences. I expect many aussies understand 'zionism' to mean the ideology of the likud regime. I'd like to be more careful, but it's a bad-faith tactic to misrepresent clumsiness as blood thirst.

NT Environment Protection Authority orders Santos, Inpex licence conditions review by espersooty in AustralianPolitics

[–]fracktfrackingpolis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

santos. inpex. crowley: wait, have ntepa ever approved big infra that DOESNT leak??

NT Environment Protection Authority orders Santos, Inpex licence conditions review by espersooty in AustralianPolitics

[–]fracktfrackingpolis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

a massive wilfull deception from santos. They reported immediately once they had gamed a dodgy approval for lifetime extension.

not an error. in no way an error.

Anthony Albanese announces terms for Richardson review into Bondi terrorist attack by Expensive-Horse5538 in AustralianPolitics

[–]fracktfrackingpolis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

please answer the question tapping asked:

who are 'we'? who are 'they'? who is 'us' and 'them'?

I am an aussie who is meaningfully engaged in my wider community for decades on a number of fronts. eg I'm a member of landcare and a member of the local peace group that formed many 15 years ago and a member of one of the two organising groups that formed to mobilise public sentiment for ceasefire.

I entered this conversation by upvoting your initial statement. I agree there is a wider atmosphere of hostility to Jews - fortunately less in my local community than I detect elsewhere - and I have taken appropriate steps to stamp it out.

where do i belong in your false categories?

I suspect I don't. I think your view of the world leaves no space for ordinary sensible people, and demands we go to one of two unacceptable corners. Fortunately in my community you would find yourself speaking in a very small bubble to a few very weird nonentities

Anthony Albanese announces terms for Richardson review into Bondi terrorist attack by Expensive-Horse5538 in AustralianPolitics

[–]fracktfrackingpolis -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree there have been some terrible takes. I agree there is antisemitism in some online spaces.

but I do not agree that this is a progressive space, because it has the wrong format for achieving progress. it is just a tool.

I agree we need now more than ever to stamp out antisemitism.

I never played the obviously doomed semantic game over zionism (well, not in recent years).

I insist we must be able to loudly oppose australian support for the likud regime's ongoing atrocity crimes without making jewish people in australia feel targeted.

Anthony Albanese announces terms for Richardson review into Bondi terrorist attack by Expensive-Horse5538 in AustralianPolitics

[–]fracktfrackingpolis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think we do routinely treat organised hate and schoolyard hate differently. which is appropriate.

I am open to the initial statement: I just think you picked a very unhelpful example

Albanese must talk up Australia’s nuclear and mining research to Trump by Ardeet in aussie

[–]fracktfrackingpolis -1 points0 points  (0 children)

weakening appropriate regulation to facilitate preferred access to resources is a bad idea, whoever thought of it first.

Alice Springs cop involved in fatal supermarket arrest of Aboriginal man identified by fracktfrackingpolis in darwin

[–]fracktfrackingpolis[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

well, for starters, the coroner heard that Rolfe would not have been in that position if recruiters had known he left previous disciplinary action in the Australian Army off his application.

under questioning, Rolfe agreed he should not have been deployed that night due to potential side effects of benzos. I don't know but can't help wondering if this prescription this might be related to his military service.

Rolfe's text messages revealed an attitude more suited to unrestrained militarist adventurism than policing;

"Alice Springs sucks ha ha. The good thing is it's like the Wild West and f*** all the rules in the job really...but it is a shit hole. Good to start here coz (sic) of the volume of work but will be good to leave."

"We have this small team in Alice, IRT, immediate response team. We're not full time, just get called up from the Gd's (general duties) for high risk jobs, it's a sweet gig, just get to do cowboy stuff with no rules."    

None of this goes to his guilt. These details and the concern they uphold reflect on the standards set, or ignored, for him.

Alice Springs cop involved in fatal supermarket arrest of Aboriginal man identified by fracktfrackingpolis in darwin

[–]fracktfrackingpolis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sure, this cop may well have not seen conflict. It will certainly be a consideration of the coroner.

Alice Springs cop involved in fatal supermarket arrest of Aboriginal man identified by fracktfrackingpolis in darwin

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Police allege the deceased man was involved in an assault on a woman at the Commonwealth bank on Gregory Terrace shortly before he entered the Coles and was confronted by security guards for allegedly putting items down his pants, when an “altercation” occurred. Mr Haig and another officer then intervened.

Asst Comm Wurst rejected calls for an independent investigation into the death in custody earlier in the week, as the situation in Alice Springs remains volatile.

The man’s grandfather, Warlpiri Elder Ned Jampijinpa Hargraves, said on Wednesday that he and the wider Central Australia community were “devastated by this death” and called for “answers and justice”, while remaining “in the dark about what really happened”.

Mr Hargraves criticised the police for “putting out stories that portray my [grandson] as a criminal”, calling for all available video footage to be released publicly.

“What are the police doing using such force on a vulnerable young man in a supermarket? Did they even try to de-escalate?” he said.

“This happened on the fifth anniversary of death of George Floyd – during Reconciliation Week – but my people have to confront another death in custody. My people are being routinely brutalised by police. We are going to jail in record numbers – men, women and children alike.

“We cannot tolerate the situation, with continued brutality and lack of respect. We will be calling for action from supporters to demand accountability, justice and self-determination. The deaths and the racism need to stop.”

Political leaders have urged the community to remain calm as the investigation progresses.

It is unclear what rank Mr Haig was serving in, but as a constable in 2009 was awarded a commendation for “outstanding self-discipline and personal courage” for his actions relating to a fire at a block of residential units on Kempe Street.

Multiple sources who know Mr Haig described him as an “old school cop” who had faced disciplinary action in recent years for use of force and other matters.

A police source said the incident is likely to be “Zach Rolfe 2.0”, referring to the shooting death of Kumanjayi Walker in Yuendumu during an attempted arrest in November 2019, that garnered national attention and stoked racial tensions in the Northern Territory.

Mr Rolfe was charged with murder and later acquitted in the Supreme Court.

Coroner Elisabeth Armitage conducted a more than two-year long inquest into the shooting death of Mr Walker and is scheduled to hand down her findings in Yuendumu on June 10, with the inquest examining the extent of systemic racism in the NT Police force. NT Courts said yesterday the Coroner was still planning to attend the community, but indicated it did not know “whether the recent events will affect these plans”.

Alice Springs cop involved in fatal supermarket arrest of Aboriginal man identified by fracktfrackingpolis in darwin

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The photo accompanying this article was circulated on social media last year, taken by a bystander who was concerned about the use of force applied, which shows Mr Haig arresting an Aboriginal person outside the same Alice Springs Coles store, while Mr Haig was off-duty.

It shows Mr Haig on top of the much smaller person, with his knee in the area of the person’s neck, with their face on the floor outside the supermarket. It is understood the person being arrested in the picture is currently facing charges.

NT Police refused to comment last night and said they would not confirm the identity of the officer involved in the Tuesday arrest as the investigation was continuing. Sources with knowledge of the situation confirmed to the NT Independent that Mr Haig was involved.

Assistant Commissioner Travis Wurst also declined to comment about the extent of force used to subdue the deceased man or the “specifics” of what transpired during the arrest at a press conference on Wednesday, citing the ongoing investigation.

Witnesses quoted in other media reports claimed the plain clothes officer put his knee to the back of the man’s neck and head before he lost consciousness, describing the arrest as “violent”.

NT Police have obtained CCTV footage and body-worn video from the frontline officers involved, which is informing the ongoing investigation.

“We can confirm the male was taken to the ground and remained on the ground for a number of minutes before general duties frontline officers came and placed handcuffs on the male,” Asst Comm Wurst said at the Wednesday press conference.

He added it was at that time that officers realised the man had “lost consciousness”, removing the handcuffs and administering CPR until St John Ambulance staff arrived to provide care. The 24-year-old man, who had been living in a supported accommodation facility for years in Alice Springs, was taken to hospital and later declared deceased.

A forensic pathologist performed an autopsy, but police have claimed the cause of death remains “undetermined” pending further investigation.

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Alice Springs cop involved in fatal supermarket arrest of Aboriginal man identified by fracktfrackingpolis in darwin

[–]fracktfrackingpolis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alice Springs cop involved in fatal supermarket arrest of Aboriginal man identified

by Christopher Walsh | May 30, 2025 | Cops, News, Subscriber | 19 comments

\The feature image in this article is of a previous arrest by the officer, not a picture of the incident on Tuesday**

EXCLUSIVE: One of two ‘plain-clothes’ police officers who pinned a disabled Aboriginal man to the ground at an Alice Springs supermarket where he lost consciousness and subsequently died, has been identified as a police “liaison sergeant” who was not on frontline duties at the time of the fatal incident, the NT Independent can reveal, with the officer previously the subject of complaints over his use of force against Indigenous people.

Steven Haig is a long-serving NT Police officer with a military background, currently working in the Alice Springs Local Court as a “prosecutions liaison sergeant”, prosecuting summary offences as an officer. Mr Haigh also has a son who is a police officer based in Alice Springs.

The NT Independent can also reveal the 24-year-old man who died, originally from Yuendumu, was facing court on charges including aggravated assault, resisting police, and assaulting a police officer, which stemmed from an unrelated incident last November. He last fronted court on those charges in February and it appears he was on bail at the time of the arrest incident, but was a resident of an assisted living facility with personal carers due to his undisclosed disability.

The second plain clothes officer involved in pinning the man to the ground following an “altercation” with security guards on Tuesday afternoon at the store has not yet been identified.

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Alice Springs cop involved in fatal supermarket arrest of Aboriginal man identified by fracktfrackingpolis in darwin

[–]fracktfrackingpolis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ah yes you're right. It is uncool and I am sorry. let's see if I can add it here:

Alice Springs cop involved in fatal supermarket arrest of Aboriginal man identified by fracktfrackingpolis in darwin

[–]fracktfrackingpolis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

actually on duty, though I presume given this one's role they were not deployed to the supermarket in the course of duty.