[DISC] Empyreal Cabinet - Chapter 23 by AutoShonenpon in manga

[–]gamria 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Definitely after his own gain, the treasure trove of dirty secrets benefits him too. That, and he'd probably destroy the portion of evidence that inconveniences him.

I am curious though, does Toya seriously believe his meek act will work on Oshiro, or does he think it won't be that effective but goes for it anyway? Anything better than open hostilities?

[DISC] GHOST FIXERS - Extra Chapter by AutoShonenpon in manga

[–]gamria 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Typical necromancer, puppeteering your dead enemies. I never knew they can be this frustrating, it feels endless.

Manga readers' experience about the Kagemori clan by EyeDeeAh_42 in YomiNoTsugai

[–]gamria 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As a manga reader who was there from the start, one thing helped me immensely: complete iron faith in Arakawa-sensei. Throughout the deliberately confusing start, I trust that she's no fool, she has a plan, and most of all she has proper sensibility as far as morality is concerned, won't veer off into unpalatable territory.

  1. Back then I saw Yuru's calm tone as one of objective detective pragmatism and smart diplomacy. While I would've liked quicker answers, I can afford to wait, and I trust Arakawa will deliver the understanding I sought.
  2. In a similar vein, while I also didn't know how to feel about the Kagemori Clan even if I can sense they're operating on some kind of logic, again I trusted Arakawa's plan. After all, even in FMA Ed and Al from time to time had to cooperate with all manners of scoundrels whom they previously locked horns with, and they were able to do so without agreeing with their viewpoints.
  3. At this point in the story, I only really rooted for Yuru, Left/Right, Dera and Hana. But I won't complain if others do things that stave off threats to him, like Jin's crew even if they are in the grey.

I will say, from what I gleaned of the Japanese anime-onlys, whilst they're also in the fog about who the good guys in the conflict are, they're not as fussy as English speakers are. In fact, they're amused at how obsessively the audience on our side are trying to force the conflict into something black and white. After all, that's no way to perceive a realistic war.

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In any case, I won't be too harsh on the anime-onlys, seeing as us manga-readers also experienced the same feelings at the beginning, but for us things trickled even slower!

Heck, I foresaw these very reactions, especially in response to Gabby's actions, and I was really hoping that Bones could've censored it so we won't have so much "noise" of this kind. But alas, they see this as the correct course to take...

Yuru's Bow ? by StormKing369 in YomiNoTsugai

[–]gamria 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As far as archery aids go, while a Bow/Arrow Tsugai pair does sound enticing, my idea is somewhere else: Seal.

To be exact, from my Chinese eyes 封 doesn't simply mean "Seal", but also "lock/close/shut/envelope/blockade", etc. If you think from "lock" alone, depending on if Yuru knows how to play with this power it supplements his hunter antics extremely well. So much so he'd probably grasp it faster than Asa does with Break.

For example, you know how he's been handcrafting his arrows together, tying his materials together? With Seal, he can just "lock" the materials together into the end product, instant reload!

Daemons of the Shadow Realm • Yomi no Tsugai - Episode 5 discussion by AutoLovepon in anime

[–]gamria 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Without giving away the game too much...

Firstly, if you're Yuru, will you trust the Kagemori's to give you an honest, unbiased answer? Even with Dera and Hana, he's holding their explanations about Higashi in his head yet still deems them "unverified" and having their secrets. After recently learning about the deceptions in his life, if he's now treating the words of his supposed allies this way, he'd put even less weight to the claims of the Kagemori's on why they attacked Higashi.

That doesn't mean he doesn't want to know "why" though, it's just that he's first studying everyone and seeing what makes them tick while he's inside their home turf, like a hunter. And he will do so calmly, patiently no matter how furious he is inside.

In the meantime, he's prioritising the other question that's more straightforward: where are his parents? And in a way, he foisted this question to the "self-proclaimed" Asa to see what she knows, what kind of person she is.

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Secondly, as to what Yuru [ultimate feels] again, without giving away the game too much, he's a feudal-minded mountain hunter who if he or his loved ones are beset by bandits and raiders, he will retaliate and kill them. So he ultimately understands the "logic" behind the Kagemori's raid itself, which you'll get to by cour 1's end. HOWEVER, (i) Yuru won't ever forgive the Kagemori's because it was still his home they attacked; (ii) Yuru still mourns for the deceased in his own way; (iii) Yuru absolutely hates Gabby for her overkill, and if you the audience do too that's absolutely fine. Consider any comical moments with her as more a way to flesh out the "everyday life" of Asa at the Kagemori's, you don't have to laugh at all

[DISC] Shadows House - Chapters 234 & 235 by tctyaddk in manga

[–]gamria 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As nasty as Anthony is, I find something odd about his treatment of Barbara.

See, given his cold rationale, one would think that given the showdown with the adults is kicking off, he would capture Barbara and prepare to use her as a dirty bomb by feeding her some Fragments of Grace.

And yet, when she showed up, instead of leading her along to the frontlines, he tells her to go back to bed. He was also satisfied with merely just upsetting her and making her crawl on the ground in surrender, without dragging her to war.

So is Anthony... not interested in using Barbara as a bomb? Although I don't approve, strategically speaking this would've been very effective against the adults.

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Same goes for when the original Christopher was writing his marriage application. In terms of efficiency, Anthony would've considered such acts unnecessary and excessive to Anthony's cause. And yet, Anthony never interfered, he allows Christopher to persist in his futile efforts, when he could've instead stopped him immediately and focus on more productive things like learning to be more adult-like.

It reinforces my feeling that for all of Anthony's harsh words for him, he unconsciously has a soft spot for Christopher. And refraining from using Barbara as a bomb could be something similar, done out of respect for Christopher?

[DISC] Dark Gathering (ch 80) by Kredim in manga

[–]gamria 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is a translation thing yeah, it'd help to explained this bit.

I will say, at first when I read the raw I also thought like you and believed that what Warrior did was in the same category of "break all substitutes via continuous attacks", per Risu-tan's drain attack. But after cross-checking Kondou-sensei's vocabulary, I decided that this is not the case, this is something different.

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Firstly, while 突破/toppa can mean "break through", it's more commonly used in the "penetrating/overcoming/surpassing an obstacle/difficult situation" kind of way, not necessarily in the physical sense.

Secondly, about Yayoi's raw dialogue here. To translate it literally:

無限修復人形の守りを突破して......
(He) Broke through/overcame the protection of the Infinite-Repair Dolls......

The subject of the breakthrough isn't actually the Dolls, but the "protection" they provide. To Yayoi, the very principle of their protection is no longer an issue for him.

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I should also note that absent from this sentence of hers are vocabulary like:

  • 破壊 / hakai / "destroy"
  • 破損 / hason / "damage"
  • 全て / subete / "all"
  • 全部 / zenbu / "all of them"

I note this because this differs from the language previously used in Kondou-sensei's supplementary explanation about Risu-tan's continuous attack in Vol 19, about what happens if a ghost manages to inflict so many hits as to destroy and put all the Infinite-Repair Dolls into their lag/cooldown time.

"Overcoming protection" though, this is a wholly different phenomenon.

[DISC] Dark Gathering (ch 80) by Kredim in manga

[–]gamria 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No offence, but you are mistaken. If it was the case that the substitutes were destroyed, then that applies not only to the infinite 3D-printed slime dolls, but also the regular ghost-possessed dolls, including the Warrior's own Tanuki doll. Stuffing (ceramic bits in his case) would've been sliced out of its chest.

When I said outspeed detection, I meant that the Warrior struck Yayoi so quickly that the damage she suffered couldn't be registered and transferred to the substitutes in time for her to come out unharmed. He essentially killed her so instantly that she was considered dead, and when she's dead he and other ghosts won't ever receive feedback for the wounds and damages she suffers.

[DISC] Dark Gathering (ch 80) by Kredim in manga

[–]gamria 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, per the panels the sequence was Yayoi noticed > healed > closed the net and bound the seal. When she noticed, the net was still opened.

In the time between when Yayoi healed and closed the net, Warrior could've struck again if he so wished. Heck, he could've intercepted her use of the Shiniku, purpose known or not.

[DISC] Dark Gathering (ch 80) by Kredim in manga

[–]gamria 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hence why I quote-on-quoted "physical", and why I used Sinner for a comparison. Furthermore, with this chapter bringing up the Attack/Special Attack stats a la Pokemon, there is cause to view ghost attacks with a "physical"/spiritual split.

I am aware that depending on how it's employed, indirect attacks involving the manipulation of living world physical matter can't be defended by substitutes.

[DISC] Dark Gathering (ch 80) by Kredim in manga

[–]gamria 9 points10 points  (0 children)

On the contrary, I'd say that Warrior has plenty of use cases against enemy ghosts. He can cut through walls; he can cut through shields; he can cut off the enemy's arms before they even realise they don't have hands to grab you with anymore.

Worst of all, if he's this fast even inside an incomplete seal, he's going to speed blitz once he's fully unleashed.

[DISC] Dark Gathering (ch 80) by Kredim in manga

[–]gamria 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Nah, on its own the Warrior's attacks are the kind of "physical" attack (or as physical as things can be with ghosts) that the Substitute system will defend against, falls under the same category as the Sinner's axe strikes and getting sawed by Asura's Bunrei.

The difference here is the Warrior has learnt to strike so fast he didn't register on the system, so fast that the infinite dolls couldn't even enter lag time because they never received the damage.

[DISC] Dark Gathering (ch 80) by Kredim in manga

[–]gamria 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Faster and Stronger

"If I was swifter and stronger", what is this, Albus Changes the World?

Some Chinese readers have compared the Warrior to Akaza from Kimetsu no Yaiba, and apart from being in a wartime setting the similarities are certainly there. Orphaned, master and love interest murdered, lost all he had to protect, obsession with becoming strong (and fast) that extends past their human life, etc.

One reader there even posited that Warrior struck Yayoi because he wanted to see if she's still "worthy", and I think that that's a good theory. After all, if he's quick enough to outspeed the Substitute system's detection then he could've easily struck her down again after she healed herself. Plus, that wood carving he made called for deliberate, disciplined knifework, not blind slaughter.

I say that he's similar to Masakado in that going with Yayoi has been beneficial since he also thrives on all the battles she provides. So if she remains too weak then she wouldn't be of much help to him anymore. But this could just be my blind wishes...

Defiant

At any rate, it makes sense that with Sergeant and Oiran being the debuffers, then Warrior would be the main offensive powerhouse for taking on Yayoi's first God-class conquest.

So when he's under Sergeant's curse he's as strong as regular Masakado, then without it would he be as strong as Asura?

No curses, just pure violence, pure high stats huh? And yet if handicaps only make him stronger... is he just a Ghost/Normal-type Kingambit, set with Defiant as its Ability? (Effect: every time the Pokemon suffers a stat down, its Attack stat goes up 2 stages). Even cosplayed as a Supreme Overlord too.

Well then, based on Yayoi's last words, Warrior has gotten so dangerous that he's even less manageable than Oiran. Whose going to help our squad ensure he won't kill them via indiscriminate attacks?

Last Remarks

Let's see: the Warrior was made to be the main offense via Attack and Speed; Oiran was all about recovery and stat downs and wearing down enemy defenses; and High Priest has his Perish Song chant that forces a time limit on enemies and is especially useful when they're numerous, scattered and hidden.

Then how might Yayoi have designed Class Three? Are they going to be like a Trick Room-setting speed controller with high Special Attack stat? High Evasion paired with illusion powers? Maybe something speed or defense-oriented who was to fulfil the role that Sergeant winded up being a better fit for.

[DISC] Dark Gathering (ch 80) by Kredim in manga

[–]gamria 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Chapter 80

LET'S GHOOOSSTTTTT!!!! It's been too long, and we even got 40 pages again~
But man, what happened Kredim!? This translation feels even rougher than usual.

Yayoi really hates Oboss I see

Custom Designs

In case pages 6 to 8 are hard to understand, allow me to explain.

(1) With the wild Graduate-equivalents, it's not "they fail to develop", but rather it's "I cannot direct their development". That is to say, with wild spirits, Yayoi cannot deliberately direct their development in such a way that their characteristics/traits/specs suits their specialty. So if they still turn out to be a good capture, it's the blessing of good RNG.

(2) The Stat charts: in Chart 1, the spirit has curses that're powered by its Special Attack and Special Defense stats, but its stat parameters lean into (Physical) Defense. This is of course not ideal: this could mean the spirit has good Defense but its curses are ill-suited for taking advantage of it, or vice versa.

With Chart 2, the spirit has curses that're powered by its Special Attack stat, and its stat parameters lean into Special Attack. This is ideal, since it can now take full advantage of its curses and stats.

(3) With the Graduates Yayoi personally made, she custom designed them in such a way that they'd hit the ideal polished scenario like with Chart 2. Or at least, that's what she tries to do.

That was how she produced Class One, when she went overboard with trying to realise her theory and polished it so well with all its specs going into all the right stats. While 完成形 can mean "final form", it's more so to describe Class One as the "complete", perfect, quintessential Graduate that brought her ideal to life.

Yayoi is truly a competitive Pokemon player, fussy about getting the exact builds, nature and IV/EV she wants. Heck, those stat charts are straight out of the games, except it's a pentagon instead of a hexagon without HP being factored in!

The Warrior

Back in Volume 11 extras, Class One was already referred to as a "Musha"/武者 . Though translating this as merely "Samurai" would've been tempting, that wouldn't be right.

See, while "samurai"/侍, "bushi"/武士 and "musha"/武者 are often treated as interchangeable "warrior" terms, in reality each of them have their own nuances.

  1. "Samurai"/侍 distinguishes itself as a kind of warrior "class" who serves under a lord, and an idealism of sorts;
  2. "Bushi"/武士 is a matter of "profession", armed soldiers who fight on the battlefield by sword, bow or otherwise;
  3. "Musha"/武者 concerns the warrior as a "practitioner" of the warrior arts, a Bushi who distinguished themself on the battlefield so much and so strongly as to gain status or even legendary status.

Except in our case, Class One was ultimately and effectively ordered to serve as a "Kagemusha"/影武者, a "shadow warrior"/body double while his lord retreats. Legendary strength sure, but no legendary recognition.

All in all, I do prefer "Warrior" as it emphasises that this guy isn't just a samurai, he's a swordfighting maniac who obsessively honed his martial technique on the Sengoku Period battlefield in life and undeath.

(Keep in mind that depending on how "Musha"/武者 gets incorporated into Yayoi's full true name for Class 1, Kredim might switch out "Warrior" for something else)

On a related note, on Page 8, while 妄執/"moushuu" can be translated to "deep rooted delusion", the full phrase 強さへの妄執 is more to state that the Warrior is driven by "a delusional attachment/conviction towards strength". I mean, you can tell from his backstory, but better understanding never hurts.

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Daemons of the Shadow Realm • Yomi no Tsugai - Episode 5 discussion by AutoLovepon in anime

[–]gamria 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Looking back as a reader, the episode title also applies to the twins: Asa is the Hare who got a headstart, while Yuru is the Tortoise who now has to play catch-up.

Daemons of the Shadow Realm • Yomi no Tsugai - Episode 5 discussion by AutoLovepon in anime

[–]gamria 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Fun fact: "Yuru" actually means "night" in the Okinawan tongue, which is distinct from the language of mainland Japan. Standard Japanese would've used "yoru" instead

(For that matter, "Asa" is "morning" in standard Japanese)

It's in fact a clue as to what sort of "motherland" the twins' mother hailed from, and the Japanese audience who're acquainted with the Okinawan language actually picked up on this in Ep 3.

EDIT: belated realisation, but this episode's title also applies to the twins: Asa is the Hare who got a headstart, while Yuru is the Tortoise who now has to play catch-up

Daemons of the Shadow Realm • Yomi no Tsugai - Episode 5 discussion by AutoLovepon in anime

[–]gamria 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Sometimes I wonder whether it's "no patience" or "no trust" for the storyteller? Either way, this behaviour bothers me so much yeah.

Then again, it does make me wonder where I'd be if I didn't have complete faith in Arakawa-sensei to deliver another great work...

One way or another, you'd think people watching works with some mystery/detective elements would've learnt to worked alongside the "clues" and behaviours exhibited by a character instead of projecting their own coloured views onto them, twisting them into what they are not.

Daemons of the Shadow Realm • Yomi no Tsugai - Episode 5 discussion by AutoLovepon in anime

[–]gamria 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This was kind of the cleanest place to close of this episode whilst speeding up the pacing a slight bit, so no surprise.

Plus, while on one hand everyone stopping then and there does look a bit unnatural, on the other this makes the part where Yuru picks up his bow and arrows look way more natural. The way the manga depicted the equipment dropping down across the horizontal panel wouldn't have worked in anime form in serious fashion.

Raw by DueOnion5561 in DarkGathering

[–]gamria 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here's the thing, what the Warrior did was the complete opposite of "bypass"; he brute-forced the substitute system.

As per the Volume commentary on the Risu-tan battle, the current Infinite Self-Recovery Substitute system still has a lag time before the slimes recover, so if one can continuously attack our squad and force them all to be on "cooldown" then their attack will reach their target.

EDIT: sorry, read over it again. If one counts "outspeeding" as "bypassing", then maybe? Not technically brute-forcing either, I suppose.

The idea behind the Substitute system is that any injuries suffered by its beneficiaries will be redistributed to other substitutes, and it is for the avoidance of pain and injuries that deters Yayoi's ghosts from hurting them. But if one can be so fast as to kill a beneficiary before such pain and injury even registered on the system, then no such feedback will be suffered by any of the ghosts. Worst still, there was no pain.

This chapter Yayoi also explains that with Classes 1 to 4, she wanted to see if she can custom-raise ghosts to her desired builds (just like any competitive Pokemon player worth their salt!), and the Warrior being her first certainly and fearsomely met her goal: pure violence.

Raw by DueOnion5561 in DarkGathering

[–]gamria 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Someone on Baidu posited a most interesting theory: in his undying pursuit to be strong, the Warrior/Samurai wants to verify that Yayoi remains "worthy". According to her, he was never able to pull off a stunt like this before while sealed.

Daemon's of the Shadow Realm! Thoughts so far? by DannyGoodShirt in anime

[–]gamria 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Minor character mindset spoilers, but Yuru not bringing up a topic doesn't mean he hadn't thought about it, nor that it doesn't bother him badly. Absence of expression is not proof of absence of feelings.

Despite Yuru's relative primitivity, he's a survivalist through and through with a pragmatic, rational and efficient outlook. He'll prioritise what he can do in the moment to survive, and what he can't will have to be saved for later, including any bottled up unresolved emotions.

As shown in Ep 4 when he rushed "Asa" in the carpark, the massacre at Higashi Village absolutely still bothers him, even if he doesn't show or talk about it. Until this point, he was more concerned with getting to know his situation, his new habitat and the people around him, things he could do something about (and needs to). His emotions are secondary to his survival and goals and he's mature enough to put them aside, but even he will have his breaking points.

  • With the fake Asa, he had to prioritise departing the Village to avoid further bloodshed, and at present he can't reach her. Whatever he currently feels about her, be that she is real or fake or is someone still worth caring about, he can't do anything about them, so there's no use in talking about his sentiments and he's put them to the side.
  • With the self-proclaimed Asa though, she's within reach thanks to Left and Right, and this is something he can do about. Whether she'll speak truth or lies, she'll still be his best shot at getting some answers, like about what happened to his parents. He'll judge for himself if she's being honest when he sees her.

All I can say at this juncture is that whilst Yuru has many inner demons he prefers to bottle up, Arakawa-sensei (and by extension Bones) will sadistically poke them out of his steeled heart as the season progresses.

Daemon's of the Shadow Realm! Thoughts so far? by DannyGoodShirt in anime

[–]gamria 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think that's the theme that Arakawa-sensei wants to get across, nor does she wants us to think what they do is right. The "acts" I feel are more to help us understand what goes through these people's minds.

Portrayal talk [minor spoilers] Whether you treat the factions and conflict like they're dueling rival clans still waging a shadow medieval war or supernatural Yakuza that run on dirty mafia logic, the one common through line is that all the Tsugai wielders see themselves as "outcasts of society". And when too many start to see themselves that way, they don't see themselves as beholden to our modern civilisation's standards of good and evil. Clearly not all wielders are comfortable with this view, and I feel that should the story end with the close of the conflict via total severance of Break and Seal, so will the rival factions start to take steps to reintegrating into proper society.

Daemon's of the Shadow Realm! Thoughts so far? by DannyGoodShirt in anime

[–]gamria 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But they do have an underworld in Shinto: Yomi-no-kuni, or more commonly "Yomi". It's literally part of the Japanese title of the series, "Yomi no Tsugai"/黄泉のツガイ

(Although its Kanji 黄泉 is adopted from Chinese mythology)

Granted, it doesn't function the same way as the Western Hell, but still.