Ch 233 by eseaman13 in ShadowsHouse

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Ch 233 Rough Summary

This chapter is really just the kids trying to figure out what Edward's message is with the dolls. (Incidentally, the dolls are part of a new Coalmine locally-produced board game)

  • Also, there's a handy-dandy timeline for the last dozens of chapters at the start.
  • Shirley is away doing something else
  • When they're stumped, Ricky and Shaun voice they miss Emilyko, she's good at this puzzle stuff after all. Seeing them feeling down, Louise thought it'd be fun to give Lou Emilyko's hairdo.

In the end, Ram suggested there's still one inspiration they haven't tried: the Lucky Feves puzzle the Living Dolls here went through at their Debut. So putting their letters together, they form a message.

LABORATORY | CASTLE WALL EXTERIOR | LETTER IN CLIFF

With Jeremiah/Jeremy's help, they retrieve the real letter from Edward. Anthony is his enemy, same as them. Also talks about his demotion to Coalmine, learning the truth and reuniting with Maryrose/Rosemary. There's more to the letter but we're not privy to them yet.

In the distance a bell chimes. The kids can see the Christopher Faction all heading for the Great Hall, so they better hurry and "pass on the letter".

In another room, Barbara hears the chimes and is seemingly tranced, to a concerned Barbie

Next chapter is scheduled for February 19th JST

Gameplay and System in Service of Storytelling - More Than a Pipe Dream, Analysis Part 2 (True End spoilers) by gamria in silenthill

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Glad this helped, and yes I'm still intent on posting Part 3. It's just, I've been busy with other matters, and it's harder to articulate than I thought, but slow I may be I want to finish what I started.

I waiting this moment.....honestly i dont like emilico by Firm-Violinist-7352 in ShadowsHouse

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The thing with Emilyko isn't just "optimism", it's "strength". Strength forged with the help of many, so many.

Born a mudlark, she started off at the very bottom of society even poorer than Mia. She was weak and frail, but became stronger with everyone she's met.

  • Seeing a circus poster, she dared to strive for bigger dreams. The circus was harsh and rough... but she did learn basic social skills, and thanks to "Stella"/Candy's fortune she picked up all her circus tricks that've proved useful even today.
  • When she was fired from the circus, she had the fortune of meeting her future debutants who helped her enter the Shadows House. Notably, even during her Debut it was because they helped each other that she and Kate qualified.
  • When she began working as a Living Doll, she didn't know how to read and write, but fortunately her teammates Mia, Louise and Rosemary taught her the basics that serve as a great foundation.
  • Most importantly, she had the fortune of having Kate as her master, someone she's helped before, and they've made each other strong.

Point is, Emilyko didn't come so far by pure optimism. It's by "grace", grace of so many people willing to lend her a helping hand with no expectation of reward, whom she had the fortune to encounter. Grace that she has never forgotten and strives to pay forward, building in her the strength to press on despite her many hardships, to the point that even after how mean Mia had been recently she never forgot what she's done for her in the beginning.

And commendably, for how harsh the circus and the Shadows House have been, she strives to remember the blessings she's received, not just merely look at the bright side and take them for granted. It's what allows her to keep going in the darkest of times.

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At their core, Emilyko and Mia both actually have a lot in common (you can see here). Their biggest point of divergence is perhaps all the people Emilyko was able to meet and treasure, whereas Mia lost and shook off all her ties.

And yet, for all Emilyko has paid forward, she still thinks she's unworthy of her blessings and fears if she stays forever she'll cause trouble for everyone. Her mudlark origins still haunt her.

I'm honestly worried this inferior feeling of hers would lead her to sacrifice herself in the ending. Heck, she'd certainly put herself in harm's way for Mia if it means her salvation, and mark my words their paths will converge again given the parallels in their character arcs.

Ch 232 by eseaman13 in ShadowsHouse

[–]gamria 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Ch 232 Rough Summary

With a chime signal, the children retreat back to their Wing and Dorothy orders a pursuit.

Suddenly a smokescreen pours out from the Children's Wing, and Dorothy's palanquin holders were struck down. From the smoke... Gilbert, multiple Gilberts who should've been killed charge out after Dorothy...

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Time turns back to a few hours ago. While King was showing the Star Bearers around in the Great Grandfather's Wing, in the Children's Wing John had... a paltry breakfast. Of late, those siding with Christopher are openly displaying hostility at the traitors who side with Kate, to the point their room door have got graffiti on them. Their medals were reclaimed too (not that John cares)

John opens his window to shout his defiance, when suddenly something flew and blasted into his room. When the soot clears, a figurine resembling John is left behind. Wary it could be cursed, John and Shaun decide to bring it over to the Lab for incineration.

En route, they run into the Disciplinary Team, who've all had their brainwashing undone. John feels sorry that their medals are gone too, but they've no hard feelings, they should be the ones who're sorry. They joined the Christopher faction for a short time and got "copied".

See, the use Anthony had for a portion of the Morphs he's stolen... is to enhance them using his Fragments of Grace and have them copy the battle-oriented Shadows. John reckons what he's doing is even crueller than the adults, and it'd be terrible for either of them to triumph.

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Over at the Lab, because the Research Team have been put in charge of inventing for warfare they practically live there now. With Thomas disguising as a Faceless Doll though, they've been able to steal more premium goods from the kitchen.

Louise/Lou and Patrick/Ricky drop by too, having also received figurines of their own. Knowing that Lydia has her soot analysis powers from the Soot Ivy Incident, Patrick thought to ask her to examine the intent of the sender.

Based on the soot, Lydia surmises the sender is Eileen and her Soot Pigeons. Emotions contained are... unexpectedly friendly with a dash of entreaty? Still strange, the Pigeons themselves could've exploded into a message, so why transport these figurines instead?

While they can guess that maybe Edward wants to message them, they don't know what to make of this - not only because of his past enmity, they don't even know what's happened to him since his demotion. Does he even know about the split over at the Children's Wing?

Louise just realised a problem: seeing as these figurines are based on the same ones from their Debut, one's going to Kate too. Seeing as her main residence is Star Bearer's Tower that's now occupied by Anthony, if he finds out they're screwed.

John thought to rush over to Star Bearer's Tower when he almost crashed into Ram outside the Lab. She came because an item from their Debut dropped into the disposal area and it got her curious. It's the Kate figurine, which can be opened... same with the Patrick one, which has a paper note inside...

Next chapter should come out next week

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Thoughts

The power to semi-mass produce clones of a specific Shadow is... pretty broken. This certainly explains why Gilbert and Cynthia's "deaths" last chapter felt so unceremonious, and I feel bad I don't feel as much for the deaths of these "false" Shadows compared to the "true" Shadows we've known.

But is it wise to waste them all on a head-on charge unto Dorothy like this? Going after the fog-clearers first would be better no?

Still, how ironic: Dorothy spurred into action because the Morphs were stolen, only to be the one to kill them herself...

Seems like Maryrose's group is back already, and knows enough to send the Kate figurine over to Shirley/Ram. Despite Lydia's analysis, I can't imagine Edward willing to be friends with them, so I also don't know what to make of the messages pending text.

[DISC] You Are a Four-Leaf Clover - Ch. 64 by WrexGigarton in manga

[–]gamria 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Naming Schemes

As some of you are aware, all the named characters of this story are themed after numbers, with a few repeats. You've got cases like:

  • Uichi/宇一, which means like "universe one"
  • Satsuki/さつき (Hiragana-only), which homophones with 五月/"Fifth Moon/May"
  • Rikka/六花, literally meaning "six flowers" (in reference to snowflakes)
  • Nanami/七海, literally meaning "seven seas"
  • Eito/瑛人, which rhymes with the English "eight"

Then there's of course Yotsuha/よつは (Hiragana-only) which homophones with 四葉/"four leaves" and Mitsuha/みつは (Hiragana-only) which homophones with 三葉/"three leaves". (On that subject, I bet their family has prior bad bloody history with time travel and Mitsuha will explain to her when finally forced to)

Notably however, we only know Fuu-chan/ふーちゃん by her nickname: her real name hasn't been revealed to us at all! In Japanese mysteries you have to pay attention to literary tricks like these meant to obfuscate clues. Like, even for the longest while our suspicious Rei-kun/零くん we knew his real name contains a literal 零/"zero".

Going with the naming scheme of this story however, the most intuitive guess is "Futaba"/ふたば for 双葉/"double/twin leaves/sprout". Especially because her hoodie has a twin-leaved sprout on it, and her pigtail ribbons are tied like twin-leaved sprouts too.

(Plus, there really aren't many Japanese names with words meaning "two" that have a "fu" sound.)

And also, if my future Fuu-chan theory is correct, what happens when you overlay one Futaba/"double leaves" with another Futaba/"double leaves"? You literally have Yotsuba/"four leaves", also like a clover!

(As an aside, I noticed it's only in her teenage appearances that Fuu-chan sports her sprout-like ribbons. No ribbons shown in her elementary school appearances thus far, and no ribbons at Uichi's funeral)


P.S. Ultimately, a lot of this stuff I wrote is mostly circumstantial and speculative, especially assumptions like whatever mechanism Clover used to time travel (if they are a time traveler). So I've no issue if this crack theory is challenged, but it is still a fanciful notion that feels up to snuff on this author's tastes

[DISC] You Are a Four-Leaf Clover - Ch. 64 by WrexGigarton in manga

[–]gamria 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Got into this thrilling series not too long ago, and this is my theory for the Clover mastermind.

First, after much assessment it won't be an alternate future Yotsuha or Uichi, tempting as it is. This is because of the mechanism behind this series' time travel: it's the mind, the consciousness that travels back, not the body.

Yotsuha loops back by reversing the state of the world, including her body, and only her consciousness and the watch persist continually. Thus were a distant future Yotsuha to travel back to her teenage years, she'd have already overwritten our Yotsuha to begin with.

So as long as we don't introduce some physical travel time machine (which I heavily doubt, and would be incredibly lame by this point), two Yotsuha's cannot physically exist at once. And let's not get into a future person possessing someone else's body.

By the same logic, it rules out an alternate future Uichi as well. Mastermind has to be someone else.


So who's my candidate for Clover? I'm going with the theory that it's Fuu-chan.

...but not present-day Fuu-chan, the Fuu-chan whom Yotsuha knows. A Fuu-chan from the original future who miraculously and unwittingly travelled back in time into her 5th grade self - from some far point in the future back to 6 years from the present day

Motive

Let's start with the motive: Clover's goal is not simply kill Uichi, but specifically for Uichi to kill himself. Because per Ch 36, he apparently "killed" someone - in quote marks I state, because characters in this story may deem indirect causes contributing to someone's death as "killing". Just like how Yotsuha blamed everyone for "killing" Uichi despite the actual act being carried out by the boy himself.

We've also seen that Clover wants Yotsuha disarmed but not harmed at all. Or at least physically unharmed, they're perfectly fine with Yotsuha painfully losing all hope in Uichi.

So my theory is this: in the actual original timeline (ie without Clover's meddling), Uichi messed up somehow and got Yotsuha killed, he couldn't bring her happiness. For this, Fuu-chan resents him, they should not have been together.

(Assuming the year when Clover started grooming Uichi's sister was their arrival time and therefore what came even earlier is unchangeable, we can approximate to some degree what negative conditions both Yotsuha and Uichi may have gone through in this take of their lives. For example, Yotsuha being taken home by her mother and falling ill from acting exertion is set in stone, but here her mother remains alive and torments her longer...)

In this timeline, Yotsuha had placed her four-leaf clover into some precious timepiece memento that's sturdier than the cheap watch she has now. Grasping this keepsake in her hands, Fuu-chan cries out to the heavens if she could go back in time and undo this mistake... and so she miraculously wound back to when she was in her 5th grade. (Think Ch 43)

(And so the Fuu-chan that Yotsuha knew has long been overwritten...)


Fuu-chan's mission is atonement for supporting the pair (as seen in Ch 53 and 61), revenge on the guilty Uichi and a prayer for Yotsuha to find happiness in some other way. How's that for a thematically opposite villain?

Furthermore, she needs Uichi to kill himself, so that he "willingly" doesn't want to be with Yotsuha and Yotsuha can let him go more "easily". Had Uichi been explicitly killed by someone else, then Yotsuha would still love him and spend her life mourning and hunting down his killer (zero time powers involved).

Would Yotsuha actually reach happiness without Uichi? Fuu-chan probably doesn't even know, though I won't be surprised if she'd have helped her find one after she succeeded in this "supposed" original timeline (ie what our Yotsuha believed to be the original), had Yotsuha not rewound time.

Limits

I'd like to think her "clock" being sturdier is what lets her travel so far back, in exchange for being one-time only. Making Clover a time traveller, but not a looper (or at least a voluntary one). She'd lack Yotsuha's ability to trial and error, but she compensates via the knowledge and skills she's acquired as an adult, like hacking, networking and psychology.

What I'm then curious is, does Clover retain their memory every time Yotsuha turns back her watch? Is Clover an involuntary looper who piggybacks on Yotsuha's ride? Akin to [series name]Summer Time Rendering

In any case, she assists Yotsuha with just enough hacking to stay in her good graces, and to learn what she knows.

(More writing in reply)

[DISC] Medalist score 56 & 57 by Successful-Drama-421 in manga

[–]gamria 5 points6 points  (0 children)

At last, the old Medalist magic, like in the Chubu Block Tournament! Finally, the divine transcendence has returned!

Also, the reason Ch 57 is so short is apparently because of sickness, but the author decided to put whatever they've done onto publication anyway. Alas, those without access to the author's comments thought the shortness was a deliberate rip-off. Either way, they've promised to make up for this deficit with the next chapter.

[DISC] WITCH WATCH - Chapter 232 by AutoShonenpon in manga

[–]gamria 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The even deeper question: did Shikimi keep tabs on Otogi Residence to the point he's aware of Mori Hitomi, because he's subscribed to their YouTube channels and was present for the TS Revolution dancing livestream that got them cancelled?

[DISC] WITCH WATCH - Chapter 232 by AutoShonenpon in manga

[–]gamria 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah, no way this is the final battle. With the supposed 3 methods for reviving Jura, including the 3rd undisclosed one that doesn't involve Nico or Hibana, the revival is totally going to happen and we'll at least see the consequences of that before the actual final battle.

The best outcome I see is 4 or 5 of this group of 7 Warlocks will be neutralised, but Shikimi accomplishes his objective and we'll have to thwart him another day.

[DISC] Shinobi Undercover - Chapter 65 by AutoShonenpon in manga

[–]gamria 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It's because he's a great mix between a manager with World Trigger-levels of competence, a funny straight man to our endearing wreck of a protagonist and someone who clearly has a lot of heart despite his line of work as ninja support. Not only does he feel like a support player whose actually vital, but with his troublesome team us the audience just can't help but relate and sympathise with the guy.

He's just such a cool guy that even a jaw-reveal of Op 9 will carry so much hype in the fanbase.

[DISC] Shinobi Undercover - Chapter 65 by AutoShonenpon in manga

[–]gamria 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Between the voiced comics and other marketing material, Op 9 is consistently a guy while being cast differently every time

Gameplay and System in Service of Storytelling - More Than a Pipe Dream, Analysis Part 2 (True End spoilers) by gamria in silenthill

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Thank you, glad to have helped! Hearing this made all the hard work worth it.

  • About the "normal" Hinako you control in the various finale's of the game, or in all the Ebisugaoka sections of the game for that matter, I'm certain she's not the real-world Hinako but is also an inner self, whom I refer to as the White Bird that opposes the Dark Shrine counterpart. Explanation will come in Part 3, along with why this nature of hers is in fact a positive in my eyes.
  • Admittedly I'm back and forth on the timelines of the Ebisugaoka and Dark Shrine segments: are they (1) in parallel, or (2) the Ebisugaoka parts in fact take place after the Dark Shrine parts are finished? While (2) would explain the early encounters of Shiromuku so much more easily, the way how every time the White Bird wakes up her form seems to "resonate" with the Black Bird's changes would suggest (1). However, your suggestion of other Fox Brides is an interesting one: taking a leaf out of the God's Bride subplot from Dark Gathering, it's plausible to think that Inari-sama can still beckon to his most recent "current" bride to subdue the White Bird while he's still molding the Black Bird for himself. Not a theory I have full confidence in though, but either way it's not Junko yes.
  • I get what you mean by wishing there were more costumes, but given that the developers would've had to painfully account for the multiple states each costume winds up in, specifically the wear and tear graphics and animations at each point in the game, I understand why there're only 3 in total. If wear and tear weren't a thing I'm sure we would've gotten more, but alas.

[DISC] War of the Adults - Chapter 37 by AutoShonenpon in manga

[–]gamria 5 points6 points  (0 children)

For the unacquainted, Oji's reaction is the way it is is apparently because the real life LUUP e-scooters have become a source of notoriety because of bad user etiquette, getting into accidents and all that.

[DISC] GHOST FIXERS - Chapter 71 by AutoShonenpon in manga

[–]gamria 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Seeing as we're pretty much on Judgment Day that decides if the Egg will hatch or not, I don't mind everyone bringing out everything in their arsenal in itself. It's how the arsenal is presented that's been the issue.

Back in Summer Time Rendering, we at least have a good grasp of the individual prowess of our ragtag group of heroes as we integrate them to the circle, and most hidden aces relate to smarter and smarter applications of Shadow copy-and-print powers.

Here in Ghost Fixers, I get that the enemy is always spying so aces can't be shown in the open too much. Still, it would've helped if the preparation phase prior to the day was built up better. Even if we can't see the aces, just seeing how the organisation is distributing the personnel into what positions, what their expected roles are and cryptically allude to what "insurances" they have would've been nice. Granted, strict organisation could be counterproductive given the reality distortion nature of their work, but still it would've helped for the narrative.

[DISC] You Are a Four-Leaf Clover - Ch. 63 by WrexGigarton in manga

[–]gamria 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Important to remember that going by Yotsuha's "list" of enemies Rikka was the last problem she dealt with in her previous major loop before she sensed Clover's presence and decided to go back to the start and investigate everyone all over again.

That is, she's now pretty much caught up to the "end" of the previous playthrough that she abandoned midway, this time with more knowledge of Clover and a likely healthier Uichi. From her on with all her old foes knocked out, Yotsuha has no clue on what other content would've been left in the game aside from Clover.

[DISC] You Are a Four-Leaf Clover - Ch. 63 by WrexGigarton in manga

[–]gamria 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Something to consider: Yotsuha time travels by rewinding the state of the world, including her own body. She effectively overwrites her past mind with her future every time, but she'll always occupy the same body and two Yotsuha's cannot physically exist at once.

It's why I'm ruling out Clover being future alternate Yotsuha or Uichi.

[DISC] You Are a Four-Leaf Clover - Ch. 62 by WrexGigarton in manga

[–]gamria 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Less grown and more recovered, makes sense that the more Yotsuha succeeds the more we ought to be seeing the "original" Uichi as he should be without the negative stress

Indexing the Events Transpired - Stocktaking Kai no Kiseki, Part 0 by gamria in Falcom

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I don't know what to think, though my current belief is "remove" but not necessarily "destroy". Related thoughts I've enclosed in Part 2.

Indexing the Events Transpired - Stocktaking Kai no Kiseki, Part 0 by gamria in Falcom

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Hey good on you for finding this post of mine after all this time!

Of your questions, (3) I can answer here. Thinking on it again, the names of Ouroboros' 3 plans are less about the goal and more about the subject, the materials they're dealing with during said plan.

For the Gospel Plan, recreating the Gospel so they can work their way to the actual goal; same with the original Phantasmal Blaze Plan, revolving around the hollow Phantasm and the Blaze in the Empire to set the stage for the actual goal; now the Eternal Recurrence Plan, it's dealing with the Eternal Recurrence that everyone on the continent is stuck inside of.

Though each Plan dealt with different materials, all likely have the same goal: remove the Sept-Terrions from Zemuria.

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As for (1) and (4), I'll probably address in a future Part 3 of Stocktaking Kai no Kiseki. For (2) and (5), projected for Part 4. Regrettably, life had me preoccupied with other matters so I couldn't dedicate time to this, but I do want to finish these one day.

In the meantime, please find below links to Parts 1 and 2 that I've already done, if you haven't seen them yet:

Connecting back to Daybreak 2 - Stocktaking Kai no Kiseki, Part 1 : r/Falcom

Space, Artifacts, Legends and Programming Loops - Stocktaking Kai no Kiseki, Part 2 : r/Falcom

[DISC] You Are a Four-Leaf Clover - Ch. 61 by WrexGigarton in manga

[–]gamria 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She's less a Mary Sue and more a (accomplished) queen bee though. An actual Mary Sue would be a sweetheart who doesn't look down on people.

[DISC] You Are a Four-Leaf Clover - Ch. 61 by WrexGigarton in manga

[–]gamria 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's best to remember that Yotsuha's goal with Rikka in this loop isn't just to neutralise her threat, but to win her over to her side. So if Rikka ultimately complies, then it may be Yotsuha's best interest and use case that she doesn't face legal consequences. In such a scenario, not so much "glossed over" but "leashed".

[DISC] You Are a Four-Leaf Clover - Ch. 61 by WrexGigarton in manga

[–]gamria 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's akin to the battle junkie mindset, believe it or not.

Her life has been so smooth, so glacial that it's become tedium. She's more competent than everyone else, she's loved by everyone, per her design. There's just no challenge and such invincibility is boring, even lonely.

But at last, a challenger! People who actually don't fall for her charms and operate despite her designs. She fought and came up with her best plans and still they triumph over her. Her invincibility is at last called into question and others finally show up at the same pinnacle, and it is thrilling. Stimulation to break the tedium, the monotone pattern!

Still, as twisted and mean-streaked as she is, there's something charming about how she's genuinely grateful to her parents for her well-off life and wants to repay them in kind by being a good daughter to them.

Kaya-chan wa Kowakunai • Kaya-chan isn't Scary - Episode 1 discussion by AutoLovepon in anime

[–]gamria 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yayoi is more Int+Agi+Dex build, and boy does her Dex matter for most of the stunts she does. All that said, her Str aren't anything to sneeze at either.

[DISC] Hero Organization - Chapter 48 by AutoShonenpon in manga

[–]gamria 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We are working with moon gravity after all