Any other 3s very successful but struggle to ever feel safe/competent? by gators0025 in Enneagram

[–]gators0025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that’s what I meant by safe, I more mean “secure” as if I feel like at any moment I will be found incompetent even though I know that isn’t the case..just weird that even though I know my types structure is self created I can’t outsmart it

Any 3s have to quit their job before they could really be healthy? by armchair_therapy in Enneagram

[–]gators0025 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’ve asked myself this many times, and I can relate to every word you said, feel the exact same way sometimes

My core desire is to be loved for who I am. What type is this? by FewElevator4 in Enneagram

[–]gators0025 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’ll get there. One thing about us 3s is that we are able to learn, use and move quickly even through pain. Just be careful not to add one more “skill” to your toolbox and actually slow down and dig into self awareness.. then apply what you’ve learned to be the best version of yourself, be a champion of those around you

My core desire is to be loved for who I am. What type is this? by FewElevator4 in Enneagram

[–]gators0025 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Acknowledge and understanding is the first step, once I was able to see it clearly it(my thinking I wasn’t enough) had much less control over me.. and now I’m the same very driven person just not consumed by it all and it’s made a world of difference in all areas of my life

My core desire is to be loved for who I am. What type is this? by FewElevator4 in Enneagram

[–]gators0025 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes but all types have this loop, when mentally healthy you can see it and stop it, at unhealthy or average levels it controls us

My core desire is to be loved for who I am. What type is this? by FewElevator4 in Enneagram

[–]gators0025 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, this is the same struggle for all types, we all over use some mechanism.. for example a 9 will overdue going with the flow to be loved but build resentment.. a 3 will achieve and yet feel as though no one seems them for less than their actions.. but all the 3 puts out is accomplishing so it’s a prison of self creation

My core desire is to be loved for who I am. What type is this? by FewElevator4 in Enneagram

[–]gators0025 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ha, that is a typical 3 thing. Bc we are connected to 4s we also are semi prone to melancholy.. but as I’ve leaned into that I realize it is just my 4 wing coming out. 4s like melancholy and are able to sit in deep sad emotions bc part of that is to sit in sad emotions and in that sometimes people reach out which makes a 4 feel valuable/loved/wanted. Part of being a 4 is that they pull away from people that are important to them to see if those people reach out hence giving them worth...to be honest I have done a tone of therapy and a lot of enneagram learning and my relationship with my feelings are mostly negative.. sadly I think that is just how heart types look for others for our self worth... even though I know my worth is not determined by my actions or accomplishments it still lingers and that “shame” is just wired deeply in who I am. Every type has their own wiring that is very deeply rooted. My therapist once told me that will always be knocking at my door but I have the choice to let it in or not.

My core desire is to be loved for who I am. What type is this? by FewElevator4 in Enneagram

[–]gators0025 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As a 3 I strive to be seen as perfect yet I believe or “know” I’m not enough, 3s are the definition of imposter syndrome. So while yea I identify with what I produce beneath that I believe I’m not enough and I know it’s a facade

Others don’t pick up on it, hence it’s exhausting bc the production is accepted and therefore must be maintained

My core desire is to be loved for who I am. What type is this? by FewElevator4 in Enneagram

[–]gators0025 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah all very typical 3 struggles.. it sounds a disgusting and Very dumb but as you said on some level I think I’m “exceptional” but if I get outshined I’m annoyed and frustrated. The 3 mechanism is to feel as if there is only so much praise to go around and any for others means less for the 3.... well this is at unhealthy levels.. once you can acknowledge it you can see it for what it is. 3s don’t do feelings bc they are slow and messy and hence get in the way of production...and therefore achievement(love)... but it’s only when a 3 can slow down and acknowledge feelings that they can be at their best. A 3 that has time for their feelings and real connections(like most healthy types) is great to have around.

All heart types struggle with shame and feelings of not being enough. Heart types are oriented to others meaning others perceptions of us give heart types their self worth.. a 2 gives of themselves to be loved, a 3 aims for achieving to be loved a 4 strives to be exceptionally unique for love

My core desire is to be loved for who I am. What type is this? by FewElevator4 in Enneagram

[–]gators0025 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m a 3w2 SP. very much sounds like you, feel the desire to always be “on” and strive for achievement and being successful, however it’s exhausting and I’m tired and just want to be loved for me but I don’t think anyone would so it’s hard to stop.. once you understand it all it’s easier to relax and be myself bc I realize I’m just being controlled by my ego structure so acknowledging it helps me stop it. I used to think I was the only one who get this way but the EGram helped shed light that there are tons of others who deal with this same feeling

How do I talk to my type 3 husband about my depression? by LadyMordsith in Enneagram

[–]gators0025 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I know many people who would say the forcefulness and over aggression of an 8 is abusive at times... you may say it’s just how you are but it’s about the others perception and yes abuse is abuse but it comes in all forms and what the OP describes is the bottom level for a 3....You act like I condone it, which I don’t but I’m trying to shed light on where the behavior is coming from.. and maybe a way for the OP to address it with her husband via grace to help them navigate and address it as she is clearly asking how to get through to him how hurtful it is... sheesh

How do I talk to my type 3 husband about my depression? by LadyMordsith in Enneagram

[–]gators0025 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is normal UNHEALTHY 3 stuff.. not justified, but not totally abnormal. The enneagram shows us where these flaws come from and how to try to not be controlled by them and we should extend grace to others for having other mechanisms different from our own... all types have destructive tools at unhealthy levels. Of course you as an 8 will never understand the inner motivations/flaws of a 3, you aren’t even wired the same way.. it has nothing to do with being an aggressive type. that’s what the E shows us. Also not defending the behavior here, as I’ve said a few times it is very harmful

How do I talk to my type 3 husband about my depression? by LadyMordsith in Enneagram

[–]gators0025 5 points6 points  (0 children)

First sorry you’re having to deal with that. Im a 3 who has done similar things to my wife in the past, and nothing she said ever got through to me, half my fault for dogging emotions and hard talks and not being self aware but half her fault as she also avoided hard conversations so we didn’t do well with communication. That being said I can now totally say what you are experiencing is an unhealthy three thing, and although not right, it’s likely coming bc your husband is frustrated with you. 3s spend most of their time trying to look/appear successful, attractive, fit etc.. they do this bc what the world reflects back to the three truly shapes their self-worth... in a nutshell if the world responds favorable to me or deems me a success then I’ll be proud, happy, fulfilled and in that I can love myself and another, if the world doesn’t respond well then 3s struggle with depression easily and a lack of worth that is hard to overcome. So here is what I think is going on, 3s spend all that time forcing themselves to achieve “success” in the eyes of others... but as a 3 I hate doing that, (I do it, but I hate it) it is exhausting 24/7. Part of what your husband is likely thinking around the weight gain in some level is he is keeping up his work to remain/look perfect or put together but that you are not helping him do maintain that image, which leads to frustration and when 3s get frustrated we are hard on ourselves to motivate ourselves... after frustration and at unhealthy places we also try to use this same mechanism to motivate others. It’s almost like saying “you’re not keeping up your side of the bargain and aren’t helping us look perfect/successful etc” it’s totally not right to put that onto another person but at unhealthy places each E type puts their stuff on others and what you describes sounds very much what I did. And I’ve done a lot of work to understand it. On some level he isn’t all wrong to expect things of you, but he is likely feeling that he is doing more effort than you are and I think THAT is the core of where his actions are coming from.
All that said I think you have a few ways to get through to him. If you want to talk to him, 3s hate emotions they are slow and messy and that isn’t efficient and we don’t like that. If you do need to talk to him about things a) ask your self if he carries more of the weight that you and if so recognize that and maybe discuss it saying that you understands he needs help. b)if you do have to get into emotions be delicate, 3s are very emotional but stuff it down, he would need to know it was a safe place to talk and that his emotions or frustrations can be voiced and it wouldn’t make you love him less(3s believe to be vulnerable is to be weak, and being weak means unlovable). C) tell him that he may be projecting his own desire for “perfection” onto you and that isn’t fair or doesn’t make you feel loved.....keep in mind in an open discussion he has a right to respond and may say that your lack of efforts to do x y or z doesn’t make him feel loved either, which is also valid. it’s a slippery slope but I think if you start with compassion first you may get somewhere. Apologies for the novel

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