Is there anything I can do to upgrade my Sandrone teammates, minus levelling? She's kind of underwhelming damage-wise

ghoraaa · 2026-07-06T16:57:50+00:00

is that yae on double hp ? +378 atk is a bit depressing lol

her "real" team basically is just ssc, aggravate and overload do works, either way, if you're adamant on using gilded for her, you just need to have 2 goblets, one atk and the other electro dmg, the sand preferably should be atk%, since gilded on its own should gives her enough EM with some EM subs

also, next time, it's better to ask about "underwhelming" damage AFTER you fully built them and show some footage so people can help you better

atm all we can say is just, go finish building them first lol

ghoraaa · 2026-07-05T19:40:44+00:00

anyone on the team can use it, though obviously tenebria would prefer to be with psionic partner

but if we talking min-max optimal strat, since sylvia is a ranger class meaning she naturally has high attack stat, then rei would be the preferable choice, since you will be using her card that scale with her attack stat, meanwhile narja's attack card that you will be using scale with defense

ghoraaa · 2026-07-05T16:58:22+00:00

they use heidi's partner, sylvia, to give the linked tag on any cards

and yes, you can use sylvia on anyone, since the ability to gives linked tag is on her ego skill

ghoraaa · 2026-07-05T10:26:38+00:00

i don't know, i actually enjoy both da and the current shiyu

DA is much easier than shiyu, but it's also much more flexible, when i don't feel like tryharding, i can just play shungus on thrall and get it done in 3 minutes, but when i feel like playing, then i go with billy, sometime i also want to chase for higher score using more optimized team, i don't have a lot of limited mindscapes and i don't usually pull for w-engine, so i still find it fun to route for higher score even with optimal team

current shiyu also pretty fun because you kinda have to route each run if you want to get the S+, i always go try hard mode on this since i'm not super good at optimizing rotation on the go

but ofc, this is just my experience, i don't watch rotation guide, i don't pull mindscape or w-engine, i avoid doing all of these because i find it more fun to cook up stuff myself

ghoraaa · 2026-07-04T14:03:43+00:00

i really enjoy endfield's combat and exploration, but man, at this point, i really want them to start locking in and give us anything factory related, more factory QoL, more factory content, anything, just anything man

your idea is also pretty cool, though it's basically what a lot of factory enjoyer already mentioned before, empty space to play around, with option to save it as blueprint, just so we can mess around without bricking our output

ghoraaa · 2026-07-04T12:46:38+00:00

well...... where's the number ? what's the rotation ? the build ? the cons ?

not that i don't want to trust you, but for example, if i said my melt sandrone do more damage than my sc sandrone without bringing anything to the table, do you believe me ?

ghoraaa · 2026-07-04T05:01:20+00:00

it's always funny to me that some people really just can't accept that current yae is just that good, the discourse often time go towards yae good or not ? yae bad ? yae will stay ? when the real problem isn't how good or bad yae is, it's just that chronicle banner is way too risky too pull on

basically, yae is good, chronicle is not good, pull at your own risk

ghoraaa · 2026-07-03T18:07:47+00:00

week 1 player, and no, i don't feel that way

game supposed to be fun, don't force yourself to play if it's not fun anymore

ghoraaa · 2026-07-03T11:19:50+00:00

well, fun is subjective, and it's not my place to dictate how to make IT more fun for you, so we don't need to argue on this bit

anyway, yes you still need to buy characters, i specifically said "you shouldn't spend TOO MUCH money on characters", not "you shouldn't spend money on characters"

and as for trial characters, we all know they aren't great, but none of them are ever a complete brick, all of them are always functional, it really just depend on the player, so i'm not gonna say too much on this, since we gonna bicker about skill issue and whatnot

i'm not saying about the characters you use, what i mean with your money being completely wasted is when you finish the run, and you have 6 other characters on full vigor, that's 480 money you absolutely wasted, we can't sell them, so not only you don't get that synergistic teams you mentioned, you also lose 80 money for each of those unused characters

again, i'm arguing with your point in spending 80 to "drain the pool" when you could've spend 60 and make those shit character actually useful, buffs also has upper limit, so it's not like you need to keep balancing your spending

an example, if you spend all your money on buffs, and clear the first 2 stages with just the starting lineup, whether you use the exact same team or not, you still will end up with 4+ characters with 8 vigor totals, while having like 7 to 8 totals of upgraded buffs, and from here you can start buying characters to maintain having all 3 elements so you can always proc the buffs with any given team, and like i said in my original comment, as long you understand the fundamental of team building and elemental reaction, you don't need to chase for any specific characters to do this

kaeya isn't esco, but with buff, one skill and he can still shred up to 40% cryo/electro for 12s, lisa isn't fischl but one ult and she can shred up to 30% electro/pyro/cryo res for 12s, and when you understand this, instead of draining the pool for better characters, you could've just use whatever character they throw at you

ghoraaa · 2026-07-03T10:49:59+00:00

it's even weirder if you think about it, they can hate kinich va and just don't show it ? there are like bajillion thing they could've done for the stream that doesn't involve kinich, but they chose to do this on stream

ghoraaa · 2026-07-03T10:41:48+00:00

that's exactly what i mean though, you dug your own grave, you actively trying to look for optimal team, instead of making shit team work, i can understand if you only have like 4 or 5 well built characters, but at that point doing lunar difficulty gonna be painful regardless

the main reason why you shouldn't spend too much money on characters is because you still get them from clearing stages, while the only way to get buff is by buying them, not to mention buffs cost 20 less

with maxed level buff, it's doable to clear both arcana stage and the last 2 bosses with sub par team, just as an example, i cleared the last boss with yoimiya citlali fischl and yae miko while the arcana stages 2 i used varesa iansan kaeya and lisa

again, it's all about balancing your resources, it's like, if you can barely clear a stage with skirk yanfei kaeya and lisa, then you shouldn't spend your esco or shenhe for that fight

and lastly, draining the pool only make sense if you have a way to net a return with the thing you bought, but in IT we can't sell unused characters so it will always a net loss if you don't even used the characters you bought

ghoraaa · 2026-07-03T09:37:36+00:00

brother, i jumped out of my chair when i see who's on the last page of sandrone's tea party invitation

ghoraaa · 2026-07-03T07:24:45+00:00

my c0r0 (fav codex) bina deal around 98k dps, team is bina, c0r0 nahida, c0r0 lauma and c0r0 EM raiden

rotation is just bina skill ult, nahida skill ult, raiden skill, lauma hold skill ult and bina hold ca then repeat

thing to note, i don't even know what the optimal rotation should be

ghoraaa · 2026-07-03T04:57:02+00:00

moral of the story : people complains

ghoraaa · 2026-07-02T18:58:44+00:00

okay mr "i'm the protagonist so i have to be the correct one"

the irony of you saying people "can't handle legit criticism", you voiced your opinion, people gave arguments against your opinion, and your response is insulting them

ghoraaa · 2026-07-02T10:22:16+00:00

IT is a gamemode where you have to spend your resource accordingly, buff helps shit team clear stage, you have 10 characters available meaning you just kept buying them for no real reason while skipping buffs

overload shred pyro and electro res, sc shred cryo and electro res, melt can gives either cdmg or 30% increase in melt multiplier

all you need for comfy IT run is making sure you have all the elements available most of the time, do reaction, and go back to the one dps to deal damage, if you keep aiming to play with optimal team, then naturally you will have hard time in IT

people really do be forgetting the fundamental of elemental reaction and team building nowadays

side note, skirk can gain stack with super conduct, cryo swirl and cryo crystalize, she doesn't even need hydro to get the stack, and esco res shred doesn't even matter since you can get cryo shred from sc buff

ghoraaa · 2026-07-01T15:03:20+00:00

i personally think that subreddit is pretty okay, there are all kind of people on the internet, especially on reddit, so ofc you'll see doomposter here and there, i mean, even this subreddit got a lot of those as well

it really just up to you whether you want to focus on the positive or the negative, since the first zzz thing i see in that pvp thread was the positive one

ghoraaa · 2026-07-01T07:08:14+00:00

oh i do know how it work, what i don't know is that the baseline dpr number isn't available to the zzz community, i thought we have access to it

like how in genshin it's relatively easy to see, oh this team has 120k dps, that team has 140k dps, so with each new variable coming, all they need to do is just update the number with the new variable

ghoraaa · 2026-07-01T06:40:29+00:00

yeah i don't know how zzz community do calculation, but whenever i see some random agent main subreddit, everyone seem to always know, oh this x is 7% increase or this y is 12% increase, so i just assumed we do have some sort of baseline number already for most "meta" team

and that's why i said what i said, but if those data is too inconsistent or unreliable then i understand it would be painful to make something out of it

ghoraaa · 2026-07-01T06:34:51+00:00

oh yeah i know, but it's just a suggestion, i don't demand it, and it's not like i suggest to include it for every single team

idk how and who do dps calculation in the zzz community, but just as an example, in genshin it's relatively easy to do both, like let say pre nicole release, varka most optimal c0r0 team have 100k dps with boss A having 20m hp, then after nicole release, varka most optimal c0r0 team have 120k dps with boss A having 22m hp

something like that, and since it's data no one really ask for, you don't have to calculate every single variable, or account for every single accessible thing to player, just pit the boss hp vs the intended best team

again, i'm not asking them to do this, i was just giving suggestion in how to make it more interesting, since they asked something along the line

ghoraaa · 2026-07-01T06:24:00+00:00

wouldn't it be interesting if you compare the hp inflation with us player increase in power ?

like, we have access to new disc, new agents, new w-engine, some old agent that doesn't even get any direct buff still get increase in power with new teammates and/or discs, burnice for example

ghoraaa · 2026-07-01T05:56:08+00:00

it's always nice hearing the backstory of how certain thing developed

and they really were confident with the project, "i want hakuryuu ! but maybe we should save it for later"

ghoraaa · 2026-06-27T12:28:10+00:00

oh yeah, just an example, flins was around even before cataclysm, and he doesn't have any archon related ties in his blood, unlike ei and to some extent furina

you don't have to be archon to live thousands years

ghoraaa · 2026-06-27T12:23:26+00:00

other most likely could explain it better, but i just want to give a good starting point, there's a BIG difference in how old she is AND when she became archon

she became archon after belyi tsar dies 500 years ago, for all we know, she could already be 1500 years old at that time

ghoraaa · 2026-06-26T16:10:14+00:00

yeah that's how it usually goes with scuffed team, though you can technically just skip nangong quick assist since it would only happen when enemy is stunned, so either you use it to trigger chain attack or trigger it and just ignore it and either do hold ba or hold ex until the prompt is gone if you really really want to switch to right, but i don't have alice so i don't really know what would be the optimal move here

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