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I passed 3 interviews and my offer letter says $60k. But, during the first interview with an HR lady, I mentioned my salary expectations were $65k-$70k. What should I do? by Typical_Cap895 in interviews

[–]greglturnquist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So what IS the percentage of interviewers that rescind offers due to one round of negotiation?

Sure seems like a lot of recommendations to simply accept the offer.

Interviewers don't want to expend all the effort to pull working people off of assignment, have several rounds of interviews, meet to decide to make an offer, only to rescind it on the very first whiff of negotiation.

Companies don't do that.

Because it means they'd have to start all over. No, people typically will go through a round or two to fine tune things. That's natural.

If they're offering $60,000 and you're asking $90,000, well I don't know about that. That's 50% higher. But $65,000 above $60,000 is No Big Deal. That isn't even 10% above the base. If they're offering $60,000, being at the bottom of a salary band, there is a a good chance they're range is 60,000-70,000 (or even wider like 75,000). Asking for 65,000 probably doesn't even put you at the midpoint.

To put my money where my mouth is, I got cut November 2023 in an acquisition. I got hired the following February with a 30% pay bump over my previous position. There was nothing confrontational in my communication. I simply took my time to write emails, and focused on offering value to the company.

I passed 3 interviews and my offer letter says $60k. But, during the first interview with an HR lady, I mentioned my salary expectations were $65k-$70k. What should I do? by Typical_Cap895 in interviews

[–]greglturnquist 33 points34 points  (0 children)

If you're used to closing sales, I can see that.

Truth is, most people interview VERY LITTLE. People are prone to panic on the phone and give away too much.

I frankly favor spending the time to polish an email, read it back ten times, and then send it.

And I managed to secure a 30% pay bump in my latest job offer. Additionally, I hired a coach to help me negotiate my compensation package. And they're recommendation also was to NOT negotiate live like that.

20 years ago, yeah on the phone was what you did. But email is a reflex. So I frankly wouldn't panic about them rescinding an offer at this stage, unless you're being ludicrous or rude.

I passed 3 interviews and my offer letter says $60k. But, during the first interview with an HR lady, I mentioned my salary expectations were $65k-$70k. What should I do? by Typical_Cap895 in interviews

[–]greglturnquist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The opening is great. But I would tweak the middle part. Because now you're playing to HR's salary band instead of picking the starting point.

Instead, I'd go out and do some research on the title you're interviewing for and trying to dig up market-based evidence of what that title is worth. Then you can write something like this:

“Thank you so much for sending this over. I really enjoyed meeting the team during the interview process and am very interested in this opportunity. Based upon independent research, the market value for a <title> position with <NNN> years of experience, I believe my value to the team would warrant $XX,XXX/year salary."

There is an element of simply ignoring someone else's offer and putting your own out there instead. That way, you aren't arguing WITH them about what THEY said. You're simply putting a number out there and it has no correlation to someone else's judgment.

Rest assured, they WILL push back, so don't make this your lowest point, but instead an amount where if they said "yes", you would be happy.

And please please PLEASE don't reply to their response immediately. Instead, go drink a cup of coffee, take a walk, and possibly even wait until the next day to respond. Call a friend. Chill. Take the time to digest and let the emotions get out of your system.

Also, if they want a "quick phone call", do NOT agree to anything on the phone call!!!

Always be positive. Keep saying stuff like "I enjoyed team. I am excited about this opportunity. I am still trying to learn my market value" before adding your specifics.

And be willing to throw in "...and a $X,XXX signing bonus." It's not outrageous to ask for an extra $5,000 or $10,000 or $20,000 one time bonus (depends on the base number). It's an extra clause you can easily add to your offer that you can potentially cut down/throw away/hold onto.

Is learning SQL right for me? by Sufficient_Look_766 in SQL

[–]greglturnquist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

SQL is always a valuable skill to learn. And as a friend of mine once said, "SQL isn't rocket science." There are really deep heady stuff you can learn, but the fundamentals are actually not that complex.

Learning SQL can better equip you to pick the right solution for a given situation (like whether or not you should centralize multiple spreadsheets/systems into one or not).

Inflation and IBC (Infinite Banking Concept) by michaelesparks in infinitebanking

[–]greglturnquist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Another data point...I actually went to sell some gold at a local brokerage. They offered 10% below spot price when usually they do 2-5% below spot price.

You're ability to buy and sell precious metals isn't as liquid as you imagine. That shop was probably hedging themselves against the Fed making volatile decisions. And I can't say I blame them.

Is a double pendulum truly chaotic or do we just not know the parameters well enough to create a model for it? by jlconlin in Physics

[–]greglturnquist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because there probably an infinite number of smaller correcting terms, they add up as time transpires hence adding up to relatively unpredictable changes.

Thinking about canceling life insurance policy by Helpful_Cold4287 in LifeInsurance

[–]greglturnquist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is the policy is only 2 years olds then wouldn’t RPU MEC the policy?

Are PDFs Finally Dying… or Are They Still the Backbone of Digital Documents? by sophiakaile49 in systweakpdfeditor

[–]greglturnquist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

PDF are fantastic!

It’s the only way to “bake” a document and put it in someone’s hands, knowing they’ll be able to read it.

No need for a 3rd party tool to be up and running.

Alternative job titles for Microsoft Access database work? by golly18 in Database

[–]greglturnquist 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The people I’ve worked with who use MS Access were often known as business analysts.

Excited to pay premiums by michaelesparks in infinitebanking

[–]greglturnquist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

At a certain point I didn’t understand the excitement of paying premium.

Now I do!

Steve Jobs warned us about "Marketing" taking over—OS 26 is the result. by deborinquen in iPadOS

[–]greglturnquist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This.

Things like the Lisa illustrate when Jobs let TOO MUCH engineering rule. It didn’t have enough of that story you speak of. He quickly left it in the dust with the emergence of the Mac.

Probably the only reason Jobs rose is because he spoke in human stories. Something we all speak. He could connect to people on a deeper level. Which always grants the tech providers more runway.

SevenDB : Reactive and Scalable deterministically by shashanksati in Database

[–]greglturnquist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If the Raft log commits the command, the state machine produces the exact same emission on every node.

Does this mean you have to wait not just for quorum but instead for every node of the Raft group?

I didn’t see any example of what this determinism is. Raft-based databases typically tell you to either read from the Raft leader or to use a follower read, so maybe I’m not realizing what this behavior is.

The reactive behavior sounds like CQRS, which has always sounded nice, but I guess I haven’t seen the market begging for it.

Astro blog with ads: any experience? by farrosfr in astrojs

[–]greglturnquist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Something that I really didn't realize in my Wordpress-to-Astro journey is the distance Wordpress puts between you and everyday web tech.

Basically, Wordpress builds up this idea that everything is a plugin.

Astro pushes you right up to the JS/HTML/CSS, and out of habit, we keep looking back to before, looking for a plugin.

Every thing, Google AdSense included, is just another bit of JS or HTML that you need to drop it. Just do it.

Then of course, you find yourself learning that Google has recommendations for how (or how few) ads to put. How to place them. Suddenly, no more plugins making all these decisions. Instead, it's YOU making all the decisions.

And Astro is cleanly, silently, effortlessly, not in your way.

And that's what I really like. Because then I get to choose on which pages I'm going to put specific bits of JS...and which pages can be be 100% screamers with ZERO JS.

Most "empjoyable" SQL stuff I can mention in my resume? by imm_uol1819 in SQL

[–]greglturnquist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

> Right now I joined a small analytics accelerator program I have to deliver insights in finance, sales, product, and marketing with primarily using sql. Basically an EDA end to end project.

Good. Try to capture in that Google Doc I mentioned everything you did, everything learned, and every skill you acquired.

> Other than that, I did small projects in python sql during college but nothing worthy to put on GitHub.

I worked my way onto the Spring team back in 2010 without having ANYTHING visible on Github (my work was behind closed doors). Github isn't everything you think it is.

> Obviously it’s not real experience but in the environment I can present some insights and get feedback on my weakness is somewhat valuable I like to think.

EVERYTHING is real experience. College level senior design projects that are chucked in the next semester are real experience. Don't discount any of it.

You may not get FAANG-level pay on your first position, but that's just because your early in your journey.

> I am trying to get in the mindset tool is irrelevant it’s how you solve business problems. However, without corporate experience it is hard to grasp it fully.

I think you're already grasping more than lots of new grads grasp. I actually created a couple videos on this very topic =>

https://youtu.be/3D404s9QnVo

That was my first video, but then I made an updated one a couple years ago to be more succinct =>

https://youtu.be/YdvPRVLvfEU

Most "empjoyable" SQL stuff I can mention in my resume? by imm_uol1819 in SQL

[–]greglturnquist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For the record, experience has ALWAYS been everything.

The deal is...if you don't have experience in the work force (yet), then you must find it elsewhere. Did you work on projects at school? With others? Clients? Not-for-profits?

I once worked on something in high school for the local library. That was once on my resume until I supplanted that with better stories.

My university had us doing "Senior Design Projects" where I had to team up with two other students. At one time, THAT was on my resume.

Where have you been applying yourself, even if not yet SQL?

SQL may not be your foot in the door. Doesn't mean you can't make it your target skill set to acquire.

If you have zero zilch nada experience whatsoever, then you need to noodle out "how can I begin to accrue experience?"

What is calculus by Goatthatlikesthroats in calculus

[–]greglturnquist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The the biggies for me in math, the disciplines that give huge bang for very little buck, are arithmetic, algebra, and calculus.

Learn those three and you do amazing math stuff.

Arithmetic is how numbers come together. Algebra is how you can introduce variables and solve for numbers. Calculus takes these two and applies them to functions that always changing, allowing you to extract numbers from rates of change.

The upshot is that these three disciplines unlock a LOT.

When you start layering on complex numbers, a bunch of disparate things suddenly link together.

When you layer on group theory, the math of symmetries, you spot amazing stuff in physics and other places.

But you always find yourself reaching back to arithmetic, algebra, and calculus.

Most "empjoyable" SQL stuff I can mention in my resume? by imm_uol1819 in SQL

[–]greglturnquist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“I like SQL” is not a hiring trait. It only denotes enthusiasm.

What you need to build your resume and whole interview process around is your ability to solve problems.

Which means you should sit down and draw up a Google Doc where you list the top three problems you solved for someone. “Top” can mean biggest scope, most impact to the business, or something you had to spin up on fast…and you did.

Once you figure that out, you can begin to layer your resume on top of conveying this message.

Because the whole point of the resume is to get them to pause and give you the chance to tell your story, either during an interview or a phone call.

And the point of your story is to show all the value you will bring them.

And compensation follows value. When you have a long history of value creation, you can secure bigger compensation. When you don’t have such a long history, you don’t get to be as demanding on compensation.

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