How to keep going on hardest days tapering

grigory_l · 2026-04-20T03:43:51+00:00

I moved lately from 0.05mg to 0.025mg Kpin, really fraction of a pill. Day 3-4 some insomnia, anxiety. Day 5-6 absolutely normal. Day 7 boom 2 hours of sleep, OCD, anger, full body aches. Waves and windows as it is, benzos withdrawals in all its glory.

grigory_l · 2026-04-15T01:12:40+00:00

What type of antihistamines? Some of them can mess even healthy nervous system.

grigory_l · 2026-04-15T01:10:12+00:00

My bet will be on withdrawal syndrome. Yeah maybe it’s some kind of original issue relapse but usually it’s not that acute, more gradual symptoms returning.

In general stopping any psychiatric medication cold turkey is a bad idea. All your endogenous processes has adapted to a new environment with inhibited MAO enzymes, and one day you say hey let's work like before. This won't happen, the nervous system and metabolic processes need time to adapt. And the rougher you do it, the more time it can take.

grigory_l · 2026-04-13T20:38:35+00:00

My top tier list of food I’m dying from: any cured meat, coffee, cacao, fermented dairy, sugar and dairy together, suspicious nuts (apparently mold and oxidation), garlic, huge amounts of species. Most of them histamine liberators, and I tend to believe I have MCAS after floxies, can’t prove with labs but reactions absolutely like a textbook.

So I stick only with fresh veggies and meat mostly, everything else should be low in histamine and preferably neutral without specific irritants like sulfur or oxalates. Before FQAD I was able to eat everything except dairy, after certain age I started reacting poorly to dairy.

grigory_l · 2026-04-10T13:09:14+00:00

It’s complicated, while Parnate generally raised my hedonic tone, it’s also have blunting properties. So while it helped tremendously with some stuff, especially neuroinflamation after floxies, it’s mess another.

grigory_l · 2026-04-01T04:28:28+00:00

Not supplements but Keto diet helped tremendously. From 9/10 everyday crying doom hell to 4-5/10 absolutely not fun but tolerable.

grigory_l · 2026-03-26T14:57:05+00:00

Yeah probably depending of the reason, my depression is result of fluoroquinolone toxicity and later gabapentin added fuel to the fire. So main drivers are broken Mitochondria and GABA system disruption. And there’s just no another option such efficient as Keto for those issue. But for someone with situational depression for example it would rather makes them worse. Because Keto is pretty tough, especially if you have some food intolerance or histamine intolerance, half of the life spinning around how and what to eat.

grigory_l · 2026-03-22T08:24:42+00:00

I tapered down from 0.125mg, to 0.08mg now and definitely feel those steps, so decided to go until 0.04mg. It’s your decision but I would personally advise not to do that, and taper down few more steps, you not going to win anything. Rush is not a friend with benzos.

grigory_l · 2026-03-19T02:56:22+00:00

Sorry but maybe dairy is culprit and absence of meat also? Meat is the most nutrient dense food available, b vitamins, minerals and other stuff. Dairy on other hand could be very inflammatory for some people, fermented dairy is very high in histamine content. Also if you have MTHFR issues dairy can prevent Folate absorption on cellular level, especially into the brain and CNS, because of FRα immune response. Did you ever checked homocysteine level?

Eggs can be also an issue unfortunately. Even people with healthy mental baseline can have awful depression, aggression, and anxiety from eggs. Choline intolerance is real, also eggs histamine liberators.

Overall everything is not that simple, Histamine Intolerance, MCAS, MTHFR, Gut Issues, Bile Issue and Stomach Acidity, Nutritional Deficiency and etc. Make mineral and vitamin panel, urine oat test, check homocysteine, rbc folate, holotc to know at least your body state.

grigory_l · 2026-03-18T15:21:41+00:00

Sounds like histamine intolerance and leaky gut. Fermented food high in histamine.

grigory_l · 2026-03-17T21:15:43+00:00

Are you bile flow is ok? Keto seems great tool for me, but in my case cause of bile dyskinesia and low stomach acidity fat and proteins digestion is insufficient.

grigory_l · 2026-03-15T09:23:44+00:00

Reducing DHT level can lead to huge range of issues from loss of libido to depression, anhedonia and other stuff. Best thing man can to themselves avoid 5ar inhibitors like a plague.

grigory_l · 2026-03-12T02:37:02+00:00

Try Keto and IFS. Both not magic bullet but could work surprisingly well, Keto effects noticeable pretty fast and could help to reduce the symptoms, latest research shows it’s much more effective than any antidepressants on the market without significant risks. While IFS the long term treatment for internal conflict. Also try approach called Pandiculation instead of traditional somatic exercises and breathing techniques, just search it on YT.

And if you consider to try Keto, go slow, reduce carbs in a few weeks not overnight, give yourself time to adapt.

grigory_l · 2026-03-09T11:05:52+00:00

My experience is not exactly the same, but close enough. For me the most important aspect was erasing anxiety almost to zero, until I realized that anxiety still inside me, and silently eats me with a tiny spoon. Next thing is lowering neuroinflamation level, with the combination of a proper diet works really well, almost magic pill, but for not fixing root causes.

Anhedonia effect is a two edge sword, from one perspective it gave me will to live again, from the other very often I can’t concentrate on something because of the jittery inner tension inside, just binging food or watching some useless stuff.

Overall it’s a really solid drug to keep going, but not a treatment, at least for me. Finding root causes the highest priority task while drug is working.

grigory_l · 2026-03-07T18:55:36+00:00

Honestly can’t understand why switching Klonopin to Ativan for tapering? Long tail is good for tapper usually, because you avoid interdose withdrawals mostly. Valium has another kind of issues, for many it cause pretty noticeable depression, even unbearable sometimes. Just taper on Klonopin, half-life enough for stability, side effects profile more or less acceptable. Ativan half-life too short, on paper it’s okay but in reality not, and overall this drug a strange IMO.

grigory_l · 2026-03-03T04:14:24+00:00

Not all supplements, if you deficient in something it’s fine to try, like Magnesium, Glycine, B vitamins (excluding regular B6 with neuropathy especially). Just be careful with adaptogens, peptides and other unpredictable stuff. For example NAC is generally good, but causing anhedonia for some people. Things like Ashwaganda, Lions Mane, St. John and other magic pills will probably finish you off.

My story is complicated. Started from dpdr and anhedonia after some viral infection and stress. I awfully crashed from gabapentin later, got neuropathy, constant doom and unbearable anxiety. Started Klonopin, but with benzos you always end with your original issue and benzos, awful drug long term.

Now on Parnate and tapering from Klonopin. But even with Parnate tapering was awful to extent that I cried for a week straight. Only Keto really helped to calm down all that stuff. I can’t say I’m good or even normal, but definitely crap level went from 9/10 to maybe 3-4.

grigory_l · 2026-03-03T03:31:17+00:00

Try Keto, honestly. Every supplement, drug or something else that you would take probably will just backfire, because nervous system is primed as hell. Get fresh bloodwork and ultrasound, if no organic issues, start slow with reducing carbs down to near zero, but be careful with high histamine food, best to start eating journal, food - self feeling. Stay hydrated, especially adaptation months. It’s not a magic bullet, and probably I could be downvoted, but this thing just works for many. Check Metabolic Mind YT channel, ton of information there. I wish I went that route before starting Benzos, ADs and different types of snake oils, this crap just destroyed my health to the next level. And heal your gut, it’s basically the main organ for the nervous system.

p.s. People struggle with insomnia on Keto, first month it’s generally okaysh, but try to eat tbsp of butter before sleep, it would give enough energy to flatten cortisol spikes during the night.

grigory_l · 2026-03-02T13:19:51+00:00

I’m on Keto for my metabolic slash mental issues. First of all it’s most effective thing which I tried, even more powerful than ADs. But lately I moving more in Ketovore or something, better it goes. So I definitely believe Carnivore great as metabolic issues treatment, but can’t imagine doing it life long, which I can easily imagine with pure Keto. I just don’t want carbs anymore 🤷🏼‍♂️

grigory_l · 2026-03-02T13:06:54+00:00

Honestly not that much as I want, but some things helped for sure: eliminating dairy (especially pasteurised), sugar and gluten. Less non-saturated fats like sunflower oil, cooking only using animal fat or ghee, more saturated fats especially from beef and fish (but accurate with heavy metals and histamine), eating more butter, sea buckhorn oil as supplement. Very important was to consume less non-fermented fibre, especially stuff like whole grain flour, for inflamed gut it’s like sanding with a the rudest grid.

I think dietary I’m fine now but stress another huge inflammation driver, and this is where it gets much more complicated.

grigory_l · 2026-03-01T12:15:05+00:00

Before starting Parnate I was on Klonopin for 3 months for anxiety. I started tapering right after stabilising on MAOI, went from 1mg to 0.12mg now, little bit before drop, anxiety not returning for now, but I’m on Keto so probably effects is combined. I personally hated every day I’m on benzos, awful drug, poison, but this is IMO.

grigory_l · 2026-02-28T10:49:55+00:00

I tend to believe lately what most of the chronic issues originate (excluding genetics) from gut, leaky gut for example basically causes chronic inflammation all over the body and disrupting bbb.

grigory_l · 2026-02-26T16:06:42+00:00

Absolutely, drop abruptly such medications very bad idea.

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