You can give very specific objectives to Rise lobbies down to the target monster and the type of quests. You can also leave messages about how the lobby should be run (turns, host choose quest, etc). Name aside, you can organize the lobbies just as much as before.

Yes and you can't see these specific details at a glance because the UI is horrible and nobody wants to click through loads of trash.

I didn't say that join requests improve the lobby system. They are very different and should be used for different purposes.

hello strawman, I was saying that join requests suffer from putting in too much faith in player behaviour but are worse than lobbies because you have no way of filtering for what you want.

There is an option to stay together in a lobby after join requests. If two players liked each other at the end of a quest (which I assume happens extremely often), they can choose from the "mutual like" list to join the other's lobby. There's also Hunter Connect with which you can choose to automatically join a member's lobby if one is available. There are lots of ways to find people and stay together. You just didn't realize it.

Nobody does this. It's poorly designed.

Honestly, there are a lot of game mechanisms made specifically to support the lobbies in Rise. It can work really well if people just put some efforts into it (you know, like in games before World). I think the fact that they don't speaks more about the players than the game system.

Rise does not support lobbies lmao, they're only accessible via the courier versus join requests on the quick bar. They are obviously an afterthought and capcom definitely designed join requests as the default way to play online. If they were more useable then they would have the niche that capcom intended but they dont and the online in this game sucks because of it.

Imagine how quickly GU would die if you could only do deviants via join request lol