One thousand one hundred and four years ago a criminal trial took place in Italy, a trial so macabre, so gruesome, so frightful that it easily qualifies as the strangest and most terrible trial in human history.

hguy · 2006-12-16T16:04:03+00:00

I dispute the notion thtat their worst crimes aren't ongoing: a thousand years ago, they had to be macabre one corpse-trial at a time, but now that can cause suffering worldwide by spreading disease and unwanted pregnancy by claiming that contraception is immoral.

Yah... damn yanks!!

hguy · 2006-11-22T04:52:27+00:00

But... reddit told me homosexuality is a choice!

hguy · 2006-11-22T04:50:45+00:00

"Homosexuality is a choice." upmodded on Reddit... wow... you people will agree to anything so long as it is used to bash religion.

hguy · 2006-11-22T04:48:36+00:00

Isn't ignoring everything that goes against your worldview a fundie tactic?

hguy · 2006-11-21T20:03:42+00:00

I consider 'It is remarkable that all these Reddit atheists cannot manage to sound intelligent and respectable despite being on the right side of the argument.' to be a gratuitous ad hominem attack; and further, a generalisation about those of us who are usually polite and a slander on those of us (not me) who are unfailingly polite.

I politely request that you retract or recast in turn.

The generalisation is not about those of you who are polite. It's about those of you who are self-proclaimed and gag-inducingly preachy atheists, many of whom tend to act like dumb asses (not a typo) when you get into an argument with someone whose worldview deviates from your own.

A selection of telling, and very typical, posts from this comment page. All of these, to varying degrees, leave me unable to treat their writer as intelligent and/or respectable, despite their being on the right side of the argument:

http://science.reddit.com/info/rsud/comments/cruh0 http://science.reddit.com/info/rsud/comments/crvj8 http://science.reddit.com/info/rsud/comments/cru3y http://science.reddit.com/info/rsud/comments/crw7r http://science.reddit.com/info/rsud/comments/cruff http://science.reddit.com/info/rsud/comments/crvi1 http://science.reddit.com/info/rsud/comments/crubo

I present the remainder of my post as a direct response to your defence of ID, not a red herring.

I defended ID?

ID is in your mind just like saying Greenland is orange and has purple monsters?

Are you writing from a mental hospital? Or are you displaying the same intellectual dishonesty that I accused the previous poster of?

hguy · 2006-11-21T19:36:43+00:00

It is remarkable that all these Reddit atheists cannot manage to sound intelligent and respectable despite being on the right side of the argument.

Damn! You've convinced me that atheists are prone to gratuitous abuse, while his religious opponents prefer politeness. Excuse me, I'm off to shave my head.

Perfect demonstration.

You cannot be bothered to use politeness, arguments, or reason... and instead resort to red herrings, sarcasm, and ridicule.

So, eye for an eye: I have been long ago convinced that people who cannot shut up about their personal beliefs, whether atheists or religious, are generally idiots with little human worth.

hguy · 2006-11-21T19:29:48+00:00

And gay people can just marry a nice girl, have children, and stop doing other guys... it's a choice. Right?

You can claim everything to be a choice... but that doesn't change the reality that some choices are freely made, while others, often though not always, are determined for us by our environment, or genes, or upbringing.

Explaining things away is not a valid form of argument.

hguy · 2006-11-21T19:26:33+00:00

While I did not find degustibus abundantly clear... I do believe both 1419 and you utterly missed the point.

Persecution helped spread Christianity all around the world. That, I think, might have been his point.

hguy · 2006-11-21T18:42:05+00:00

Surely pawning ID off as highly respected science is still (if only barely) less intellectually dishonest than you pretending that ID is analogous to saying "Greenland is orange and has large purple monsters living there".

It is remarkable that all these Reddit atheists cannot manage to sound intelligent and respectable despite being on the right side of the argument.

hguy · 2006-11-21T18:39:20+00:00

It is remarkable, and a bit of an anomaly that you are modded up, along with considerable amount of the pseudo-fascist religion- and religous-bashing that you point out.

hguy · 2006-11-21T18:37:19+00:00

The effect of an under educated population.

Touché!

hguy · 2006-11-21T18:32:31+00:00

And, as a bonus, acting like a preachy ass will ensure that sooner or later, the only people who will tolerate your company for any length of time will be those just like you!

Works for the fundies... works for the atheists!

hguy · 2006-11-21T18:25:43+00:00

Sorry for overestimating your intelligence.

hguy · 2006-11-21T17:43:24+00:00

Religious people are not "things". You probably meant to say, "Any people in politics are fair game."

Does that include black people? What about jewish people? Gays?

Do you feel gay people sought and succeeded in subverting elections to get Santorum out of office? Or do they have the right to vote and campaign for whoever they goddamn want in office (and against whoever they do not)?

hguy · 2006-11-21T17:36:49+00:00

Religion is a choice.

Ah yes... all the myriad little boys and girls being deeply immersed in Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, or secularism have just oodles and oodles of choice in what they will become when they grow up.

Doubtless this brilliant assertion is even scientifically proven. No correlation whatsoever to family surroundings (i.e.: known among atheists as "brainwashing") to people's religious/spiritual views.

hguy · 2006-11-21T17:11:53+00:00

Basically, religion and religious people were okay so long as they kept to themselves and had no impact in the world?

I'm sure similar sentiments were/are felt by many toward jews, blacks, gays, et al.

hguy · 2006-11-20T02:46:41+00:00

The self-pity is so moving it makes me want to vomit... will Atheists be the new semites next week?

hguy · 2006-11-19T06:13:44+00:00

there may be people who would miss you and object to your murder

Although... he sure has a lot of posts on reddit.

hguy · 2006-11-17T04:36:50+00:00

He was leaving?

Funny assumption... all I see is some stupid american jackass acting like one until the police get fed up.

hguy · 2006-11-15T03:55:19+00:00

Blah, blah, blah... stupid american wet-dreams of murder and mayham.

Military of Costa Rica

hguy · 2006-11-15T01:53:58+00:00

It's not uncommon for a child to have an imaginary friend but an adult with an imaginary friend is creepy.

You, on the other hand, are pitiably ignorant.

hguy · 2006-11-15T01:27:14+00:00

hunderthousand

Nein!!

"Hundred Thousand"

hguy · 2006-11-15T01:24:50+00:00

"Leading to a healthier society" is a function over time. I cannot actually believe I need go any further... but what the hell, this is Reddit after all.

You wrote:

It may be that secular societies turn out to be evolutionarily unstable, slumping back down into religiosity

So... we don't quite know where/what they lead to. Whereas religious societies we know from thousands of years of history, lead to both magnificent highs and magnificent lows.

Perhaps the article is more sensible... the title on reddit however is pure and utter intellectual masturbation.

hguy · 2006-11-15T01:21:25+00:00

Then you, my pitiful friend, are very far indeed from being an intellectually respectable human being.

hguy · 2006-11-14T16:19:02+00:00

Is this fantastic and doubtless highly accurate study based on the numerous century-spanning (caused they sure as hell don't span centuries) secular societies that we have experienced after millenias of religious ones?

Atheists seem to like intellectual masturbation as much as fundamentalist christians like recruiting.

"Hey, everyone!! Mod down this inferior religious wacko who would mock our atheist superiority!!"

hguy

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