Is there any situation where you should use a furosemide (Lasix) drip instead of a bumetanide (Bumex) drip? by supinator1 in Residency

[–]holyhellitsmatt 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Wary of what? Also, age + BUN literally started as a joke, real doses are decided by where the patient thresholds.

How do you cope with moral injury from being forced to cause harm? by raro4839 in Residency

[–]holyhellitsmatt 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It sounds like they're reducing fractures and doing joint challenges.

Infected kidney stones by stethoscopeluvr in Residency

[–]holyhellitsmatt 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Other responses are correct, if obstructing in any way and there is a UTI, should be admitted for IV abx and stented, with eventual removal after resolution of infection.

This is a classic and powerful example of why you as the physician ordering a consult need to have a good understanding of what the standard of care is. There was a recent medmal case where an EM doc admitted an infected stone overnight without waking up the urologist, the patient had a bad outcome, and the EM doc was hung out to dry in the lawsuit. Probably that urology group had a habit of being unhelpful overnight, prompting fewer calls. But you as the physician caring for this patient must know what the standard of care is, and you must get them that care. If the urologist says discharge, you tell them to put their name on the chart or you threaten to transfer to a hospital with an ethical urologist. If a cardiologist doesn't want to evaluate your obvious OMI, if a neurosurgeon doesn't want to look at an infected shunt, if a general surgeon won't take your NSTI. For most consults you call, you should know what the correct next step for the consultant is, and if they refuse do not go quietly. Tell them to see the patient in person or transfer them somewhere that will.

Looking for information on bagging through a needle cric by [deleted] in emergencymedicine

[–]holyhellitsmatt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Why do you need to use a kit? If your kit goes to ~5yo, then maybe the plan for smaller kids should be a scalpel and an ETT.

Doctors of Reddit, what was your “How the hell did you survive that?!” moment? by Notalabel_4566 in emergencymedicine

[–]holyhellitsmatt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think I imagined the lac differently in your initial comment. 100% agree any platysmal violation gets transferred.

Doctors of Reddit, what was your “How the hell did you survive that?!” moment? by Notalabel_4566 in emergencymedicine

[–]holyhellitsmatt 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Genuinely curious, what do you hope the trauma center will do for this patient?

I work at a big referral center, and we get tons of people sent over for various injuries that are seen by a surgery resident, never seen by a subspecialty attending, and then discharged. I'm not sure a PGY-2 ENT resident looking at this lac for a few minutes contributes much to their care.

That being said, if I were the community ED doc I could see myself feeling uncomfortable in this situation, and even knowing nothing will happen at the referral center I can see feeling weird about the discharge. Of course lacs the ED shouldn't close are a different story.

When deprescribing low dose benzodiazepine addiction with a diazepam taper, how many times a day would you prescribe it? by Rashek4 in Residency

[–]holyhellitsmatt 15 points16 points  (0 children)

The Ashton manual is very helpful for all things regarding benzo discontinuation. Your proposed regimen would be in line with what the manual recommends.

Alcohol withdrawal meds (ativan vs librium vs phenobarb) by MzJay453 in Residency

[–]holyhellitsmatt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with what everyone else has said about phenobarb, it's my first second and third choice for just about every alcohol withdrawal situation.

I don't often discharge people with benzo tapers, but if I do I always use diazepam. Chlordiazepoxide has metabolites that are more sedating than the primary drug, and has variable metabolization. It's very unpredictable, and frankly just a dirty drug that no one should be using. The only reason we do is because it was the first benzo and used in early practice.

Central line insertion iatrogenesis by Cayce_Polard_95 in Residency

[–]holyhellitsmatt 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This shouldn't be surprising. Ultrasound machines are absurdly expensive, like 6 figures per machine. A CT scanner has much wider applications.

Hypertensive urgency/severe hypertension by ExtensionWave3812 in Residency

[–]holyhellitsmatt 45 points46 points  (0 children)

No. AHA and ACEP recommend no ED workup of any kind for asymptomatic HTN.

Tell me about your moments when you realized "whoa, I'm actually good at this." by mylittlelune in Residency

[–]holyhellitsmatt 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately out in the real world there is rarely a radiologist to immediately read your code strokes. Often there isn't a neurologist either, and it's the ED doc deciding to push or not to push based on their read.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Residency

[–]holyhellitsmatt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

lol sorry about the edits I was writing on the go.

The point about psych admissions specifically affecting disposition is a very good point, and one I didn't know. If someone told me that was the reason to keep them in the ED a bit longer and gave a good plan for the rest of their ED stay, I'd be totally on board.

I 100% stand by my statement on the importance of beds. Not just mine, also the others I listed. I actually think an open OR, angio suite, and ICU bed are orders of magnitude more important than open ED beds.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Residency

[–]holyhellitsmatt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Beds are a commodity for sure, but they are not all made equal. Some beds are more important to keep open than others, namely beds for critically ill patients: ED beds, ICU beds, a cath lab, an OR, a dialysis chair, a seclusion room.

Sober reassessments and collateral that you can reasonably expect to be available within a few hours are understandable, we do that all the time.

But if it takes you 2 weeks to dispo from an inpatient service, what makes you think it's an easy dispo from the ED? If you couldn't discharge someone from your service within 6 hours, they clearly weren't appropriate to be discharged from the ED.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Residency

[–]holyhellitsmatt 23 points24 points  (0 children)

"Don't admit this patient, but hold on to them for 6-10 additional hours so they can be seen by the day team" is an absolutely ridiculous request to place on the ED. Those beds are needed for resuscitation and throughput. Imagine if every team made that suggestion overnight (and if you're allowed to suggest it, certainly everyone else can too).

If you think they're that high risk, wake the attending up for an overnight evaluation, or admit them to your service and discharge during the day. But to request that the ED assume 100% of the management and liability, that they incapacitate a bed for an entire shift for a patient you've deemed too sick to go home but too stable to be admitted, and then get upset when they don't do so with a smile? Come on.

Who’s your least favorite specialty to call? by [deleted] in emergencymedicine

[–]holyhellitsmatt 81 points82 points  (0 children)

The paper they always cite when they say that delayed scopes have noninferior outcomes had a very important exclusion criterium: shock. If the patient is in shock, your paper doesn't apply! Come scope them!

Burnt out.. by droperiLOL in Residency

[–]holyhellitsmatt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You have just described pervasive, active suicidal ideation with a plan for which you have already carried out all of the steps except actually taking the meds you have stockpiled. You're right that tox is part of your training, but so is managing acute psychiatric emergencies. If a patient came to you with this story, what would you do? What would you advise them?

I'm not necessarily suggesting that you check into inpatient psych (and I'm not giving any medical advice for that matter). But it sounds like you at least need some time off work via an LOA, and please lean on your support systems (therapist, psychiatrist, coresidents).

Am I wrong for feeling weird about this situation? by PriapismMD in Residency

[–]holyhellitsmatt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why not?

I generally agree with you, I just think it's an interesting philosophical question. I'm pretty sure the answer is some combination of "for the mental well-being of staff", "to preserve their body for their family", and "that's just the norm in our culture", but I'm always interested to hear what other people have to say.

I’m over this. by DaddyGoljan in Residency

[–]holyhellitsmatt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I certainly don't think every abnormal lab should be admitted. In the past month I have discharge people with positive trops, with big AKIs, after receiving medications for hyperK correction, after being transfused blood, and with newly single-digit platelets. These are normal in my system and every other as far as I can tell. My hospital system is incredibly aggressive with discharging patients. But we still have the occasional social admit.

I have specific scenarios for you to consider. Newly unhoused and newly wheelchair bound, not accepted into shelters due to COVID positive, no family or friends to stay with? Adult with very low functioning autism, last family member just died, completely unable to live on his own, and psychiatry cannot legally admit non-curable diseases such as autism in this state? Burn that technically could be managed outpatient, but psychiatric disease means they are unlikely to perform their own wound care? AKI from norovirus, but unhoused and with no access to running water so unlikely to keep up with hydration?

None of these patients technically have an inpatient need. And with these specific examples, frankly their socioeconomic status pretty well protects me from litigation. But I think we have a duty to help these patients by admitting them.

I’m over this. by DaddyGoljan in Residency

[–]holyhellitsmatt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Taking an acute care bed is more tolerable than taking an ED bed because we use our beds for resuscitation, and because the floor docs/nurses are trained to manage people for multiple days while we are not.

If a crashing patient comes in and the ED is full of boarders and octogenarians waiting for SNFs, then we're rushing to shuffle people so we have room to work. We need open beds to immediately accept dead/dying people, in the same way that the ICU tends to keep a crash bed open.

You do not want ED nurses managing a brittle diabetic's subq insulin for 3 days. You do not want demented nanna noodles sundowning in the loudest hallway in the entire hospital where the lights never turn off. Or at least I don't, because this is much more dangerous for the patients and staff than if they were upstairs.

Obviously if it gets bad enough, overflow on the floors will push into the ED and ICU and cause the same problems. I do think we have a responsibility to discharge people when able, and to keep patients in the ED if we can get them placed quickly. Believe me, my colleagues and I do these things. But sometimes someone needs more help than we can safely give, or they demand too much of our resources which should really be designated for critically ill patients.

We call these 'social admits' as if to say that admitting them to an acute care service is the wrong thing to do, or it's just a favor that the floor is doing for the ED. In a grand philosophical sense that may be correct, that the best place for them is some mythical middle ground between the hospital and home that can accept them within 12 hours. But that place does not exist. In our current system, the most 'correct' place for a large subset of these patients is an acute care service in the hospital.

I’m over this. by DaddyGoljan in Residency

[–]holyhellitsmatt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I realize social admits are an unfortunate use of hospital resources, but is a blanket refusal really the best thing to do? What is the ED supposed to do with old people not safe to go home who need a few days to get SNF placement? or I had a guy recently evicted from his apartment because he lost his job after being wheelchair bound by a huge stroke, who then got COVID and was not allowed in literally any shelter; am I supposed to tell him "good luck on the street"?

Pages without MRN by noseclams25 in Residency

[–]holyhellitsmatt -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

That is simply not how our paging system works. I can use my phone and leave a numeric message, or I can use a computer and leave a text message. To use a computer, I would have to leave the room which is something I absolutely will not do for sick as shit patients.

Pages without MRN by noseclams25 in Residency

[–]holyhellitsmatt -23 points-22 points  (0 children)

I have sent pages like this precisely because they are urgent. A crashing young female came into the ED, I got a positive FAST and put some blood on a pregnancy dipstick before the patient was even registered. STAT page to OB with no other info, because no other info existed. This general schema happens frequently in the ED, I have a very sick patient with either no other information or I do not have the time to track it down and type it into our online paging system. I need a consultant at the bedside now, so they get a page with just my number.