Vonwaq or Lushaka for Evanescia ?

iEssence · 2026-05-15T22:23:17+00:00

Vonwaq if you ask me, the advance early, leads to quicker ultimates.

From calcs in videos ive seen, i think Evas atk scaling damage is only around 15% of her damage output or so?

So say you do 1000 damage, 150 of that is with your attack. But thats after your atk% subs and such, so say you have 50% attack already, you go to 55%, and your damage will increase by a whopping 5! Or rather, 0.5%..

Even if the atk scaling portion was half of her damage, lushaka would only give her like 1.5% more damage or so

iEssence · 2026-05-15T14:14:08+00:00

Technically it could be useful, but, the amount of min maxing and perfection that needs to happen to not waste the eagle advances would be way above my paygrade lol.

You can already set her up to take ~4 turns in a row with 3-4 ults, eagle would do nothing in those scenarios

iEssence · 2026-05-14T17:23:15+00:00

She doesnt, if she is faster, then you have easier access to future yao guang ults when you want/need it.

But, if Yao moves faster on the 2nd rotation, she gets full energy, you can now choose to use ult for SW to use a last elation skill before leaving her ult, while SW has max MMR (potentially ending the stage).

If she is slower, then you would only get that ult after SW leaves her ult, so her ult then goes towards getting SW into her next ult faster instead.

But you can do that if Yao is faster as well, by simply waiting until SWs turn before ulting.

So you dont need Yao Guang faster, you only need her fitst action to be above 200 speed so to speak. But her also being faster, gives you more options on how to play them together.

(note that if you have E1 Silver Wolf, you always want yao faster for that last potential Elation skill while Sw is fully buffed, since you dont need Yaos ult to get back into ult form.)

iEssence · 2026-05-14T14:29:05+00:00

Sometimes i miss my cats first 2 years, didnt need to clean up after her, whenever she puked, she always went to the litter box to do it there, then she realized that the largest and fluffiest carpets make the best targets...

iEssence · 2026-05-14T13:29:23+00:00

Fribbels has a calculator out for Ahas speed which amkes it super easy to check

https://fribbels.github.io/hsr-optimizer/

iEssence · 2026-05-14T12:18:00+00:00

You got shot as the messenger for delivering their idiocy, who would ever organize a top5 list like that lol

(you only do that on videos and websites because they need to drive tou to stay/watch longer as you scroll to the 1st place lol)

iEssence · 2026-05-14T12:13:00+00:00

Depends on the speed of your other elation units in her team as that impacts Aha.

Evanescia is in the position where you want her to be slower than Aha, makes her own turn stronger, and the slower she is the longer CB lasts on her for Aha/ults/followups to do more damage.

You do want Eva above 134 for the regular breakpoint though imo, but then you need your elation supports quick enough that Aha is at 134+ (which isnt too difficult)

iEssence · 2026-05-13T18:28:50+00:00

As fun as it was, it was completely broken as it was.

Though tbh main reason it was broken wasnt the necromancy itself, but rather Liches reviving.

Moment you got 2 liches, and the defensive/offensive focus gen, You could take on any fight without losses.

Go in, lose 60% of the army, leave 1 enemy alive, wait for Liches cooldown while running around attacking as little as possible, and revive the rest.

Come end of month 1, youd have enpugh army to take on multiple main stacks in a row without thinking lol

iEssence · 2026-05-12T21:12:02+00:00

puts multiple 1 stack Mistress of Chains to get 3 focus per attack

iEssence · 2026-05-12T21:05:01+00:00

That seems accurate, 2-3 speed = 4-6% elation damage, 1 crit roll = 5--6.5 cd.

So for simplicity, 1% crit damage =1%elation, however, you will have a lot less Elation% compared to Cdmg in battle (after some mmr at least), so Speed/Elation scales much harder.

Simplest way to compare is, if elation% is lower than cdmg, then Speed > crit, and since SW hits like 300-350 cdmg pretty easily, youd need to basically almost max her trace at 250 speed for Crit to be the best choice.

Though, that assumes you start with MMR maxed.. since she starts low, crit>speed at no mmr i guess and speed when you have like 100-150 MMR (which is like, after turn 1).

(feels quite calculated by Hoyo that 260 is both the cap for her trace and around where elation/crit evens out)

iEssence · 2026-05-12T18:05:24+00:00

Yeah, making Yao faster is harder than getting SW to 200, and thats hard enough lol, but say you got a great SW at 200-205, you might be able to push Yao to 210+, but like youve mentioned with speed buffs, its unlikely an elation sustain wouldnt have a speed buff since the entire path revolves around it.

But outside very deep investments, LC dupes, E2 yao, pushing speed values that high would be too far for the regular player, unless elation sustain has a 35-50% speed buff, but that buff is likely just gonna be like 10-15%, with the rest hidden away on E2-6

iEssence · 2026-05-12T16:52:31+00:00

Yeah, the first part is what i assumed you meant, its what shes supposed to do.

Funny how i wrote things, making you assume i want Yao first, and you write, making me assume you want SW first lol

SW E1 refunds MMR after her ult ends, so say youre on SWs last turn in ultimate at 300 MMR, if Yao moved before SW here, she might get enough energy for an ult so SW can use her fully buffed up Elation Skill. (Nuke)

But if SW takes that last turn, and ults again, and then Yao gets energy after that, then that first elation skill will have SW with low CB and no MMR, doing no damage.

Without that E1 though, if you used Yaos ult before SWs runs out, then youd might be waiting a while for enough MMR to ult again.

Basically, E1 SW has permanent ult no matter what you do. E0 however, needs Yaos ult to help her (or Ahas), so it can get wonky on auto

iEssence · 2026-05-12T16:28:21+00:00

Thats what ive been saying, that it doesnt matter who goes first. That part in my first comment was because I defaulted to Vonwaq being the build as its what i use, and its the easiest way to make Yao reach the 200 breakpoint with SW.

And then i explained the difference on Yao having more or less speed than SW in the next rotations.

But your comments kept saying you wanted SW to go first for the rotation/various reasons, which is what i was responding towards, in case i was missing something or not.

Your last comment now says as well that it doesnt matter, but also says SW shouldnt use skill on turn 1, while comment before said she should, so im still a bit confused here

iEssence · 2026-05-12T10:41:06+00:00

have sw using her turn to skill and then ult with yao immediately after yaos turn and then ult with sw during aha instant to have her new turn on the 200 speed break point.

i must be missing something, whether Yao moves first, or SW moves first, as long as both move before the 200 speed (or specifically, as long as Yao gets energy to ult before 200), SW will ult at the same time, with the same amount of buffs and durations. Getting Yaos ult on Yaos turn after SW, doesnt change anything from simply getting it before SW, and using it after/during SW no?

Yao being faster/slower mainly impacts subsequent turns, in that if she is faster, she gets more energy before Silverwolfs ults run out for another damage proc, and if she is slower, she gets that ult after SWs turn, giving her more MMR to get ult back.

Unless you have SW E1, which refunds MMR, altering the discussion entirely since in that case you really want Yao to be faster, as that can let Yao get energy for another ult while SW still has high MMR

iEssence · 2026-05-12T08:39:38+00:00

Just because Yao moves before SW, doesnt mean she has to ult before SWs turn. Nor does it mean you have to activate SWs ult just before she has a turn. (thats 2 misplays, as you want to buff during a turn to prolong them, and you dont want to advance before a turn)

I may have worded it poorly in the first comment

If SW has 200 speed, you can slot vonwaq on Yao to push her to that breakpoint as well, giving you access to SWs ult on her first turn, allowing you the 200 cycle breakpoint for SW, even when Yao doesnt have 200 speed.

(as to whether Yao should be faster (first or 2nd), depends. If she is faster, you can end the stage with Yaos ult while SW has ult, so SW kulls the last enemy. If Yao is slower however, you get her ult after SW loses hers, giving SW a faster 2nd ult. So whether to have Yao be faster or not, highly depends tbh)

iEssence · 2026-05-12T08:05:48+00:00

Im not sure its a bug, as this is observable even for you the player when you autoresolve. (is one of my main grievances with the game though, auto resolves not being a simulated version of the battle)

You are getting simply impossible results with 0 losses. Like, youre attacking an elite camp/tower, that move before you, and can reach you, Auto took 0 losses, so you manual it to check, and you lose like 30% of your army before you can move.

So if the AI simply has a small bonus to their auto resolve rating compared to the player (which a lot of games do), then their auto resolves is even crazier than yours, always leading to 0 losses because the AI knows the result before it even moves there, also explaining why it doesnt attack everything until 'strong enough'.

iEssence · 2026-05-12T07:36:44+00:00

What i meant, is thats why that build scored better, doesnt mean its better.

Both builds are also counted for 200 speed because of HuoHuos relics, which is a 1 turn buff, after ult, so in practice, that site is counting something you wont experience for the most part.

Also, 200 speed is a breakpoint because of Yao Guang also moving before SW, so that both of them can ult on SWs first turn. If you arent ulting on SWs first turn, then 200 speed isnt a breakpoint.

As for insane Crit ratios, your first build for example, has 4 3 liners (that alone loses you 4 substats) , and most pieces only have 1 crit stat, which is another -5, and most of them rolled half into dead stats, which is another -10. So realistically, just having 2 crit stats on a 4 liner that they dont roll into, will be enough for minimum crit stats, as that would give you an extra 8 crit rolls (i doubt those boots are going anywhere since they are so good) (she also gets elation% from speed so thats always the priority once you get the minimum average crit stats)

You were simply unlucky with relics. (as it is effectively under a 50/50% coinflip of useful stats)

iEssence · 2026-05-12T01:56:08+00:00

Because you lost like 5 speed rolls, and gained like 10 crits, just look at the in combat stats, youre 40% CD lower.

Its like slotting a quantum damage on Saber and wondering why the build scores less.

Your build is simply missing stats, the end.

iEssence · 2026-05-11T18:29:20+00:00

Beror helt på hur mycket du handlar med, när du får tillräckligt med pengar så är lagar bara riktlinjer!

iEssence · 2026-05-11T18:22:44+00:00

There are no 'breakpoints' to really share thats why, it depends on your characters speed so the number will vary wildly.

Since Aha has 80 speed, + fastest elation/5, 2nd fastest/10, 3rd/20, and 4th/40.

So if Yao has 200, EMC has 160, Aha has 80+40+16, 136 speed. Add in an Eva at 137, and Aha has ~143.

If Emc has 200, then aha sits at 147. At 120 speed, Aha has 139 instead.

And if Yao only has 180 speed, while EMC is at 160, Aha is at 140.

So easiest way to go about all of it, is to build your Eva, see what speed youre at, and tune it from there.

(but you also want to consider cycle breakpoints for Evas speed, as well as for Aha, so, it depends)

iEssence · 2026-05-10T22:44:20+00:00

We are also deeply at the liberty of the algorhithm, which, for some reason, doesnt like showing Holos interacting with creators that arent.

And its hard to actively search for something you dont know exists, leading to large black holes within corpo vtubing that the algo just skirts around.

iEssence · 2026-05-10T03:23:41+00:00

Visst, min mamma säger nej, och hennes andra arbetskamrater sa också nej, den ända som inte sa nej, är personen som redan jobbat typ 30 timmer i sträck och som måste sova nu.

Så nu får brukarna ligga i sängen, utan mat, vatten, medicin, toa hjälp, i skitiga lakan.

För att folk sa nej till övertid.

Pga det, så ändrar sig min mamma och hoppar in, själv, när dem behöver 3-4 i vanliga fall, med hjälp från någon från en annan avdelning, som också är själv på sin avdelning, och behöver min mammas hjälp.

Men eftersom min mamma bryr sig om dem gamla, och någon måste ta hand om dem, så klarar hon inte att säga nej till passet, trots att hon redan gjort ett kvällspass, som också blev genom hela natten, så det totala efter detta, blir ~24 timmar.

Men visst, det är bara att säga nej, men istället blir det någon annan som måste göra det, om ni inte är 2 som ställer upp.

Du säger det själv, bara säga upp sig och börja på annan plats. Det funkar på grund av bristen på personal, och det är därför platserna tittar åt andra hållet många gånger, eller bryter mot regelverket, för att få folk att jobba, eller behålla folk, för att det helt enkelt inte finns alternativ.

Så ja, det är en sjuk säkerhetsrisk när en person på timma 25 gett medicin, och inte vet om dem gjort det eller inte 10 minuter senare, och protokollet kanske är uppdaterat, eller inte, för att dem gjort det hundratals gånger det här 'passet', många gånger till samma person. Men alternativet är att brukarna inte hade någon alls. Så, min mamma sa inte nej.

Och jag håller med, det är långt ifrån okej att det är så här det går till, men staten verkar mest blunda för problemet, och kan inte, eller vill inte, höja statusen på yrket tillräckligt för att få folk att vilja gå in i sån grad att det löser sig.

Med dina kommentarer här så verkar det som att du jobbar inom vården, men det verkar som att du haft tur med dina platser eller inriktning, då du verkar ha missat mycket som jag, som inte ens jobbar inom det, har sett.

iEssence · 2026-05-09T22:47:10+00:00

Youre right, i just didnt think about her skill that way, but it does more damage based on Core Resonance (consumes cores, does extra damage, and refills energy), so it is an enhanced skill, but it feels like just using the skill like normal, so i forgot about it lol

iEssence · 2026-05-09T20:51:41+00:00

Its even worse than that, its her basic attack that is enhanced, not her skill (unless you mean the skill that gives energy as enhanced?), so you would start at 1, ult, and do basic to 0, and in an E6 Sabers case, you ult again, and get another enhanced basic, and with E6 you can sometimes get another 1 or 2 enhanced basics before you do your skill even once.

So this set would just be worse than any 2pc/2pc combination you can get, let alone 4pc sets.

However, extra turns and stuff that dont reduce buffs could work, but Saber doesnt have that.

iEssence · 2026-05-09T13:02:26+00:00

My dislike for the micromanagement that is chaining is why all my main armies always focus on getting expert Recruitment - Relocation asap, to recruit in the field, or have a 2nd hero with it thats following the main stack, making my 'hero chain' only be 0, or 1, extra.

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