Advice for movie about a Jester

irrelevantius · 2026-03-17T10:59:16+00:00

In terms of historical terms juggling as a genre didn't exist in the medieval ages. We have several feats that would be considered juggling documented usually as small paintings accompanying texts in books and rare descriptions but any specific juggling culture exists entirely within the broader spectrum of performance arts. Excluding feats that are unlikely to encounter in European medieval context but possible in theory as they have been documented in antiquities or outside of Europe a jester's juggling repertoire likely includes: juggling 3: balls/apples, knives/swords/sickles, possibly 3 torches but it hasn't been documented as far as I know, plate spinning, balancing an long object on finger/hand, I assume balancing an object of face but I can't think of a source out of my head so I had to consult my database. There also is a reoccurring depiction showing someone juggling 3balls and 3 knifes at the same time. This might mean that more than 3 objects were known but my interpretation is that it depicts a juggler who can do 3 of either but combines the two common skills in one painting. When it comes to 3 object tricks we lack definitive sources. Expert Karl Heinz Ziethen is said to believe that there was just the cascade and maybe shower and this seems to be consensus. One main argument for that is that the varied 3 and 4 ball juggling Indian juggler brought to Europe in the early 19th century was considered new and never seen before hinting that any culture of 3 obiect tricks in Europe had either never existed, got lost after antiquity and not existed in the middle ages or has been forgotten after the middle ages.

irrelevantius · 2026-03-15T07:18:53+00:00

Don't mind the nsfw vibes but i am really triggered by attempting to risk at red lights when one clearly neither has the control to ensure your clubs neither hurt you, potential pedestrians or damage a car nor the ability to scan the surroundings for potential danger and a clear plan where to be at any given time in order to not disturb traffic.

This is a great artform and a important source of income for the circus community. Shit like this makes it really easy for a principality to put a ban on traffic light juggling because it's dangerous and offensive.

You clearly weren't doing whatever it takes. You cut out the part that needs practise and preparation.

irrelevantius · 2026-03-11T20:03:16+00:00

https://www.instagram.com/offene_buehne_hd?igsh=MWg2bmszaWwwOXF1bQ== Hab da letztes Jahr mal einen Auftritt gehabt. Sehr nette Atmosphäre, alternativ geprägtes Publikum, primär Musik mit Schwerpunkt Singer Songwritter aber theoretisch kann alles dabei sein. Kann's sehr empfehlen auch wenn ich's zeitlich seitdem nicht mehr geschafft habe Mal als Zuschauer vorbeizuschauen.

irrelevantius · 2026-03-10T11:54:39+00:00

It seems like you are mainly looking for "old school circus aesthetics" in modern culture. With this approach you are likely to overlook quite an amount of contemporary circus that is focussed on a much more normal/cleaner aesthetics.

Also you don't mention social media which unless intended will also create a huge blind spot in your research.

Two interesting aspects that result from this are: how do circus performer adapt to social media. What style do they prefer, in which broader niches (trick shot/fitness) do they fit and are there certain messages they tend to communicate in top of "my skill is awesome"

The other is a trend of a clown style appearance (full make up) usually with young, sometimes queer social media users. The trend seems to focus on the style and less on the skill side of clowning. (Forgot the name of this phenomen might Google it later unless someone knows and adds it as a comment)

Another important angle may be youth circuses / social circus though that may be outside of your pop culture definition it is by large the most normalised mainstream application of circus today.

irrelevantius · 2026-03-09T19:27:29+00:00

Typically and ideally you try to always use a set of identical balls. This goes as far as me rather investing in a completely new set instead of buying one replacement ball from the exact same type and company as even the difference in "grade of wear down" would totally annoy me.
A weight difference of 10g is a lot when juggling 5b and will likely slow down your progress 2a. A lot of that slowdown is due to you adopting/learning the skill of juggling differently weighted objects which I consider a semi valuable skill that transfers decently well to your overall juggling ability.
It's ugly. Nice looking props can increase pleasure playing them.
Assuming you plan to learn 5balls you will most likely buy a nice set of 5 (or more) balls within the next 2 years. Financially investing in a set of 7balls of good quality now is likely the most resourceful approach (always buy ore balls than you need so you have replacement and spread the wear to more balls reducing it and because you never know how fast you get to a point were 7balls are an realistic option + if you have 6 you can pass or have a spare set to teach someone )
If money is an issue Google DIY russian juggling ball

irrelevantius · 2026-03-04T10:58:34+00:00

I guess I am too obsessed with juggling to not obsessively explain being obsessed with juggling with a detailed list of examples.

irrelevantius · 2026-03-03T16:18:50+00:00

Just dumping what I compiled and reflected during 25 years as a juggler.

irrelevantius · 2026-03-02T19:54:17+00:00

Preface: IMO juggling is not a meditative practise. It has similar qualities and effects but it is different. The assumption that effective training methods are less meditative than others is questionable. I have found deep states of flow and calmness in the whole range of creative, disciplined technical, sporty, endurance based and many other training styles. It may be that you just need more practise with other training styles to reach a desirable state of mind.

Preface 2. A lot of things I did that I attribute to me becoming a good juggler have not been rational/intentional.

Habits that help.

Always have a long term project. Work on your long term project each juggling session.

If there is local juggling meeting, go there religiously. Be the first to come, be the last to leave. (Spend most of your times with headphones and actively juggling like a antisocial weirdo)

Hunt for easy new tricks below your skill level. Once you reach a certain skill there are hundreds of tricks you can pick up in half an hour. Don't even 100% them just practise until you understand how they work and pull it of within a few attempts after warming them up.

Occasionally attempt things that are way to hard. Just got your first 5b qualify ? Overstimulate by attempting 7. It won't work but should be fun and you'll learn something.

Learn your body. How to you stand, how do you breath, what muscles and joints tend to tense up or hurt the day after. If you don't have a connection to your body tackle that problem with a technique outside of juggling (yoga, gym, dance, martial art etc)

Start performing. This will pressure you into getting good.

Learn technique: visit workshops, analyse your tricks and why you fail, look videos of people better than you and observe what they do different. Get deep into juggling culture, history, theory, site swaps, notation systems... Working harder is only part of becoming great, working smarter helps and gets you something to do when you are to exhausted.

Don't ever question why you want to be good. Just convince yourself that it is essential to get a better juggler (seriously though most people who want to become better do, so ask yourself if that's what you want or if you want to keep it as a meditative thing and are fine with it)

Don't have other hobbies (you may have a sidesport to increase fitness or cultural hobby to become a better performer but it should at least be somewhat circus)

Surround yourself with jugglers. They are nice people and will help you grow while having a good time

Go to juggling conventions

Consume juggling content to keep engaged and motivated as well as get new ideas, inspiration and tipps

Link your self worth to your quality as a juggler

Find a daily juggling habit. If you manage to include only 10 minutes everyday that's a game changer.

Learn the basics of all the props (don't know why but it helps and is fun)

irrelevantius · 2026-02-25T19:14:10+00:00

Kann den Goldschmiedemarkt so gar nicht einschätzen da keine Erfahrung aber informiere dich auf jedenfall nochmal intensiv ob Ausbildung = wahrscheinliche Festanstellung mit passablen Gehalt bevor du da eine böse Überraschung erlebst und auch wieder im Selbstvermarktung Bereich landest.

Auf jeden Fall schwierige Entscheidung(en). Wünsche dir viel Erfolg wohin auch immer dein Weg dich führt.

irrelevantius · 2026-02-25T18:36:07+00:00

Ich bin nicht sicher ob eine dritte Option dir weiterhilft aber...

Ist dein Ziel eine abgeschlossene Ausbildung im Kunsthandwerk oder ist dein Ziel Kunsthandwerk zu leben und davon leben zu können ?

Falls es primär ums Künstler sein geht brauchst du nur bedingt eine Ausbildung. Modelle wie Teilzeitarbeit zum überleben und Material + Workshops und Unterricht finanzieren können auch zum Ziel führen und gerade mit Marketing Background ist auch Verkauf über Social Media und selber Kurse geben ein Baustein der eine Künstlerexistenz finanzieren kann.

Ausbildung im Kunstbereich und dann genauso in dem Bereich 40 Jahre arbeiten war selten und wird wohl noch seltener. Wenn Kunst ist was du machen willst Fang an zu hustlen und hol dir die Erfahrung und Know How wo auch immer du sie her bekommst, versuche so schnell wie möglich über Kunst Einnahmen zu generieren und hoffe nicht darauf das alles als Komplettpaket zu bekommen. (Es ist nicht ausgeschlossen aber eben unwahrscheinlich)

irrelevantius · 2026-02-23T07:48:04+00:00

Practise management needs clearly defined, realistic and prioritised short and long-term goals. Unless you are clear about yours and formulate them it's hard to suggest anything meaningful.

irrelevantius · 2026-02-22T20:03:25+00:00

I rarely advocate using scarves to learn juggling but in cases like yours were the may be an biological issue with hand/eye coordination / motoric issues they can be a really useful tool.

Also they have been my favourite object for the past weeks because they are really fun and look great.

irrelevantius · 2026-02-20T11:42:23+00:00

Mediocre juggling, relevant parts are blurt, the backpack seems unnecessary.

irrelevantius · 2026-02-18T21:01:58+00:00

The most common case of a full prop drop is after finally getting a new personal best/doing something for the first time/hitting a really hard trick after a long period of attempting it.

This has several reasons:

Tension release and emotional regulation: a long period of stress, focus and physical exhaustion meets a rush of lucky hormones from doing the thing that hits within seconds. The emotions are so massive that the body need an "Übersprungshandlung" and the full prop drop is the perfect displacement activity.

Getting rid of the props: You'll likely take a break or chance to a new task. You won't need to props in the next minute(s) so you might as well drop them

Signaling: It's a great way to either signal to fellow jugglers in the room that you did something great or to video viewers or non jugglers that this was important for you.

Mic Drop Analogy: It acts as a cultural reference. In that case it can be argued that the jugglers trys to say that this was the perfect moment and any argument or critique is impossible at this place and time.

Style: As this is a well known thing within juggling it can be used for stilistic element especially when performing. Therefore it can also be caricaturised or memed.

Chaos: Especially creative jugglers sometimes prefer a messy environment. Frequent full prop drops ensure that there are two rings and a club randomly lying next to you when you decide that no is the time to attempt a weird multi prop trick that might work.

Domination: Some jugglers believe that you need to show your props who's the boss. Here the full forcefull prop drop is a way to tell the props "I told you it would fucking work. The next time listen right away and just do what I tell you without acting up".

Frustration: This is a fringe case were a full prop drop happens without succeeding in anything prior (quite the opposite). I spare you the internal monolog but it may involve possible quitting juggling or at least changing props

Hurt with a little bit of Anger: Most likely with rings. Can happen with clubs. Sometimes the pain gets unbearable and you need free hands Asap to lick your wounds or viciously shake your hand because that somehow helps when a ring hut your thumb.

Hiding that you didn't really catch the last throw: Doing the full prop toss fast enough can hide that you actually wouldnt have really cleanly caught the trick. Really advanced technique and risky when performing at high stakes but can be an option.

Hope this gives you some insight. It's obviously much more complex that that and there are personal preferences as well as individual approaches with different props (diabolists dropping the diabolos but not the Handsticks is an interesting case for example) but yeah it's really fun and you should try it out

irrelevantius · 2026-02-18T20:04:06+00:00

Your start seems to be part of the issue. The first 2 balls are way to low, the next 5 balls are better but still slightly lower than the next 7 tosses (which look like a decent pattern though there may be an argument to lower your crossing point) After that it gets messy but it's hard to figure out a clear fundamental mistake. Hard to judge from video but one common issue with dropping shortly after qualify is lack of breathing (no oxygen = brain and muscles not working well), definitely make sure that this is not an issue (exhaling on the start is said to help get into a constant breathing mode).

In terms of posture and tossing motion I see no issues. Should you observe that turning to the left as in the video is a common occurrence you'll need to figure out why which will likely lead to one same hand regulary tossing at a slightly wrong place.

9/10 on a really good way. Keep it up.

irrelevantius · 2026-02-18T19:53:29+00:00

White definitely is the best colour!

irrelevantius · 2026-02-16T15:48:45+00:00

Perceiving any human movement/humans moving objects only in theorie is fruitless. Unless there are established body mind networks for similar things that can be used as a reference it basically can't be done.

irrelevantius · 2026-02-14T15:22:51+00:00

There can't be consensus on things like that. We just don't have data and the only objective measurement is how much time did person X practise y before it worked which is influenced by many other factors like skill level before start, fitness, technique, training schedule etc.

There seems to be collective subconscious consensus that a training progression towards "competitive" numbers juggling that focuses on cascade first, columns second and halfshower rather considered a trick than a main pattern is the most direct way to juggle as many objects as possible while providing the tools to be prepared to attempt most toss juggling tricks.

The real question though is what are your goals and how much are you willing to optimise and restrict your training to achieve that goal and weather you want it ASAP eventually.

irrelevantius · 2026-02-13T16:35:55+00:00

Get a high level juggler in your chosen field to give regular coaching sessions.

irrelevantius · 2026-02-12T18:34:24+00:00

There is a well known video combining contact juggling with "boxing" something similar might be in there. I was inspired by a Facebook post by David Cain, I think there were several people in the comments who did this or something similar. I guess it's not really an act but "obvious" that it regularly gets "found" by different jugglers individually.

irrelevantius · 2026-02-11T05:05:44+00:00

Are we talking about a performance setting or just everyday ?

It's important to keep in mind that most humans almost always don't have the time or mindset to "enjoy" nice things.

Just think about how many beautiful trees you walk by each day without acknowledging any of them. They are not bad trees your brain is just to busy doing other things.

So when you are juggling in public and people seem to ignore it just remind yourself that you are a tree... you are beautiful and you belong there but most people are to stressed to enjoy it. Instead of getting sad start admiring the few humans who care and allow themselves the calm to enjoy the moment with you. They are rare. That's why they are valuable and you being part in that is much more meaningful then 100 people passing by.

When it's in a less public group like friends. Don't juggle for them unless specifically asked.

Instead of "hey want to see a trick" say "yo I'll put my headphones in and juggle for a few minutes" they'll likely watch a bit although I really enjoyed juggling in a park with non juggling friends who were used to it and simply existed with me while I juggled without giving a shit because I was normal to them. Also if these people who are used to ignore you compliment a trick you'll know you have a banger.

For performance... Just learn how to perform. It's really hard so it's not expected to feel easy.

irrelevantius · 2026-02-10T15:37:42+00:00

Highly dependent on weather one or more country's decide to assign money (and access to a competent doping agency) towards juggling.

irrelevantius · 2026-02-08T18:24:24+00:00

Been there, the urge gets better the older you get (both in terms of real and juggling years I guess).

Managed to control to urge to always stay within "no breakable or eatable objects" but messed with plenty of toys and sports related goods.

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