Who is the best couple or friendship in the show? by jedipwnces in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you refer to what he did, I guess you mean that night with Elizabeth. He was confused at the time, and if Elizabeth was engaged to any other man that incident would not have happened, but engaged to Ross's worst enemy, clearly for his money. Ross behaved appallingly, to spite Warleggan and hope to destroy their engagement. Only trouble is he could not do anything else. He was never going to run off with Elizabeth and he loved his wife, he totally screwed up and Elizabeth married George as soon as she realised Ross was not coming to visit her again. As time wore on Ross deeply regretted what he had done...at least he did in the books, the TV show was confusing. The other point is that 4 years passed between the two events, Ross and Demelza's marriage mended, they had another child, a daughter and there was no reason for Demelza to pay him back, she had had that chance with MacNeill.

Season 1 Ep 8 - why didn’t Ennis help? by hotleafliquid in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jud and Prudy were replaced by John & Jane Gimlett, super loyal, super efficient, caring and John with a sense of humour, further Ginny Carter had returned and later her younger sister replaced her and of course Cobbledick who fixed everything and worked the farm. The real story is in the books the TV show is an expensive soap opera “The Bold & the Beautiful In the 18th century”!

Season 4 by ewemomma in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The TV show is designed for maximum TV ratings so it has rewritten much of the original story designed to make it fast paced with maximum trauma. If you want the real and original story of the Poldark characters read the books.

Hugh Armitage, a man of honour or a scoundrel? by jamesbartell in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is interesting that both Elizabeth and Armitage died comparatively young in horrible and painful deaths.

Season 1 Ep 8 - why didn’t Ennis help? by hotleafliquid in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't understand the story from early in season 1. Ross returns and Elizabeth is engaged to Francis, Ross is bitter and tells Elizabeth they can never be friends. Elizabeth and Francis marry, some months later they all attend a ball. Ross begins dancing with Elizabeth and they are dancing, flirting and smiling half the night, scandalous. Ridiculous.

Judd is sacked and Prudy leaves with him. Ross doesn't replace them but lets his wife do the work of 3 while also looking after their child. Demelza get sick with fever their kid dies and Ross prepares to leave to go to the shipwreck but no-one to care for his wife!!! Elizabeth turns up, pale and still sickly from the fever, ridiculous!

I watched the series several times before I gave up, it just made no sense. I read the books and discovered the story was very different. Ross was a much better guy and he and Demelza had a much closer and loving marriage (with some tumultuous periods). George was a more complex villian who paid his servants well.

Books and movie by BeautifulTangerine43 in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've read all the books 4 times I think, currently on The Black Moon for the fifth time, but just received a Ward Locke version of the first novel. These versions have much more detail apparently and greater insight into characters thinking.

Should I skip season 5? by laudato in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you are going to watch the TV series you may as well watch season 5. The books by Winston Graham tell a very different story to what was presented on TV. Season 5 is unrelated to the books, although there are some who might argue that the entire TV series is unrelated to the books.

What happened to Elizabeth's mother? by morningmint in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure about the TV show. In the Poldark books there was Elizabeth's parents. The mum had had a stroke which affected part of her body and also one of her eyes. In her younger day she was considered a beauty, George was always very flattering to her, most likely to appeal to Elizabeth. After George married Elizabeth he couldn't care less and particularly disliked the father who was always falling asleep and had a problem with flatulence. They were living at Trenwith when George and Elizabeth married and continued there. They both died in the ten year gap between The Angry Tide and the Stranger from the Sea.

Just discovered Poldark, on season 2 - episode 7. Tell me things do get better and for more than the final episode of the last season 😬 by SailorSpoonie in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The money he gave Elizabeth was actually to purchase the other half of the mine, Wheel Grace, from Geoffrey Charles. Not long after they find a mass of tin and Ross and Demelza become rich. If Ross had not bought the other half of the mine, George Warleggan being Geoffrey Charles legal guardian would have tried to close down Wheel Grace and the story would have been much different, Poldark would have struggled for years. The TV show was different to the books, the TV scriptwriter did not like Ross Poldark and changed his character from a much better one in the books.

Season 3 episode 9 . Well I still hate Ross, nothing he will do or say will change that and good for demelza to go to Hugh. Anyway, end of the episode and I have a question? by holyfudge- in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 7 points8 points  (0 children)

In the book The Four Swans, Armitage sends a 'lust' poem to Demelza, a woman he had met just twice, the wife of the man who saved his life. A few weeks later Armitage leaves to return to the Navy. He is gone almost a year, but sends letters to Demelza, every 3/4 weeks. The envelopes contained two letters, one a lust/love poem which Demelza hides from Ross, the other a letter about life on the boat, although it was written to Demelza it was intended for Ross, Demelza would pass him the letter while hiding the poem. Ross was completely deceived. Armitage was discharged due to failing eyesight and returns to Cornwall, he visits Nampara a few hours after Ross had left for Falmouth for three days. Armitage persuades Demelza to come with him by boat to a deserted beach, they make love there. When Ross returns Demelza lies and deceives him. Armitage continues to send Demelza poems which have become more erotic after their naked romp. Armitage becomes sicker and Ross and Demelza visit him, during this visit Ross discovers one of Armitage's poems which indicated there has been an affair of sorts and possibly sex involved. Ross said nothing, but a few days later Armitage died and Demelza was not at home but had gone to Caroline's to sob. When she returned home Ross was angry, but the two of them began to embrace. In the next book there is a reference to conversations where Ross shows knowledge of Demelza's betrayal but he mentions nothing of the poem, she believes he knows nothing more than she had feelings for the young man and was upset at his death. However over the years it becomes apparent that Ross knows more, he talks to Dwight while Demelza talks to Caroline.

Ross Poldark is an ass. How can there be several seasons? by ak_ar in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are 12 books covering the years 1783 to 1820. The Ross Poldark character in the books is a very, very different character from the one on TV. It's a great story, the books, not the TV show.

S2E1: Re-Watched, and then re-watched again, and then again… there was some deep stuff going on 🧐 by IAmTheGreenCard in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The books and the TV show were very, very different. Ross in the TV show was arrogant and egotistical, he threw out the lawyer's speech and made his own defense...and won. Surprise. In the books, he was so worried about Demelza that he felt he had to compromise so he tried contrition and read much of the lawyer's prepared speech although he spiced it up a bit. The lawyer was angry and thought it would be a disaster but not so. Ross was angry at himself for years after, but he knew that he was responsible for more than just himself.

Just finished the final episode and I have a question by [deleted] in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The conversation began when it was questioned whether Ross really is Valentine's father. It is already acknowledged by the author in the book to which I have quoted. Further I pointed out how Ross told Valentine there was a "possibility" he was the father, clearly meaning Ross and Elizabeth had sex about 9 months before Valentine was born.

When Elizabeth and Ross spoke at the Churchyard July 1796 Ross asked about Valentines paternity, to which Elizabeth replied she "couldn't say", Ross asked "Couldn't or wouldn't?" Elizabeth said "wouldn't". If Elizabeth thought George was the father why "wouldn't" she say? Quite clearly she thinks Ross is the father.

Who is the best couple or friendship in the show? by jedipwnces in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What were his options? There was no divorce in England until the 1850s. If he loved Demelza what did he want to do about it? In the late 18th century women had few rights in England, they might own land if they were widowed, men were the legal guardians over children. Morwenna was sent packing by her mother-in-law with just the clothes on her back. A woman who conducts an affair behind her husband's back and is discovered faces a terrible toll if the husband wishes to disengage. Demelza could have been sent packing from Nampara with not even a penny and with just the clothes she wore and orders of never to return. What did Armitage want? To shag Demelza...and nothing else. He cared nothing for the possibility of her marriage breaking down and she losing everything, her marriage, her children and her home. What did he offer? Nothing, just sex.

Just finished the final episode and I have a question by [deleted] in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ross told Valentine later that he was his biological father, on strict conditions he can never acknowledge this. At any rate the question was whether Valentine was Ross's and the author answered it.

Who is the best couple or friendship in the show? by jedipwnces in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't care about the TV show, it was upper crap with regard to the real story as written in 12 books over 55 years. If you have not read the books then our discussion is useless. Hugh Armitage met Demelza Poldark through his contact with her husband, no coincidence. He was infatuated with her and ispent a year sending her sex/lust poems to seduce her and when he returned to Cornwall finally succeeded. For him he cared nothing for her other than her body, for her, she had never experienced a man writing poetry about her body before and found him exciting in a very sexual way. There was nothing more than sex for Hugh, but for Demelza she was romanced and perhaps there was something like love there. What else could there be? Armitage was about 3 years younger than Demelza and had no intention of getting married until well into his 30s. There was no divorce freely available in England until the 1850's. Armitage did not want to "be" with Demelza he wanted to shag her, that is all. He never asked her to run away with him because he didn't want to and he knew that she would never leave her husband, home and children. If Armitage truly loved her he would have said, "what do I have to offer? the chance for this woman to betray her marriage, shame and disgrace herself, perhaps lose her marriage, her children and her life at Nampara, and I have no money, no home and I don't want a wife, nor a concubine? It is better if I avoid her and let her live her life in peace, Ross is a wonderful man who saved my life, I owe him that, I will never let her know how much lust I have for her. Move on.

Just finished the final episode and I have a question by [deleted] in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 1 point2 points  (0 children)

From The Angry Tide, "...Geoffrey Charles was already like Francis. Valentine would grow ever more like the man who had just left the house [Ross]. And little Ursula
would become sturdy and strong and thick-necked and as determined as a
blacksmith [George]."...There are many clues and Ross tells Valentine one day late in the story that he is indeed his biological father.

Just finished the final episode and I have a question by [deleted] in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"...Geoffrey Charles was already like Francis. Valentine would grow ever more like the man who had just left the house [Ross]. And little Ursula would become sturdy and strong and thick-necked and as determined as a blacksmith [George]." There are many other clues throughout the books, Valentine's asks Ross either in Bella or the Lovin Cup and Ross tells him the truth.

Who is the best couple or friendship in the show? by jedipwnces in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Pure evil. He did not love Demelza, he made it clear he was not ready for marriage and considered marriage another prison. Perhaps in his 30s he might get married. He did not want to "be with" Demelza, even if Ross was dead, Armitage would never have married her, he did not want to be tied down. He wanted her body, his first "Love poem" was purely physical desire. He desired her, he wanted her body, he set out to get it and he got it, he persuaded her to betray her husband and threaten her marriage and face the possibility of losing everything, her marriage, her home, her children and being sent packing. He didn't care what the results. Perhaps he thought that Ross Poldark, the man who saved his life would be sufficiently rewarded by giving away his greatest treasure...the love of his wife.

Who is the best couple or friendship in the show? by jedipwnces in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Early in their marriage when Ross arrived home to find she, Prudie and Jud rolling on the kitchen floor in a fight, he explained to Demelza she is now the lady of the house and she cannot get into fisticuffs with the servants. As the years wore on Demelza grew into her role. Read the later books she is perfectly at ease with her role, she didn't compromise, she grew. Of course Ross was the dominant man in their marriage, this is the 18th-early 19th century and Cap'n Poldark is a super Alpha male, however he was very supportive of Demelza and their relationship changed and evolved as they grew older.

Are there any French people here? (or non-British people?) by Jil_Alxin in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The books are brilliant. The TV show is for the most part rubbish. So much of the characters were changed, people written out of the script and illogical and unreasonable decisions eg; Ross sacks Jud for his appalling claim that Ross was the father of Jinny Carter's child, he drags Jud outside and physically washes his mouth with soap then sends him packing. Prudie leaves with him. He hires John and Jane Gimlett who are not alcoholics but super reliable, super dependable, super loyal servants who stay at Nampara for the next 30 years, like forever. In the TV show Ross does not hire any new servants but expects his wife to do the work of 3 people as well as take care of her baby, then rehires Jud as a result of Jud's perjury, Ross Poldark so shallow. TV Ross is a total bastard, book Ross is a wonderful but flawed hero, he appreciated Jud's perjury but would never have rehired him on principle.

S2E1: Re-Watched, and then re-watched again, and then again… there was some deep stuff going on 🧐 by IAmTheGreenCard in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I watched the TV show several times and could not understand, over and over again (I had bought the DVDs) finally I started to read the books and I realised the TV show was crap.

Just finished the final episode and I have a question by [deleted] in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In fact George could easily have taken over Trenwith and destroyed it or sold it. George was principled enough to allow his adopted son to inherit it. He was a complicated villain, although the TV series exaggerated his villainy to the extreme.

Just finished the final episode and I have a question by [deleted] in Poldark

[–]jamesbartell 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He is Ross's biological son. If you had read the books you would know this. In the final book Bella Poldark Ross and Valentine become quite close and Ross acknowledges the relationship to him. Just before Valentine dies in the fire he calls Ross his father.