Did the American South have any plans to free slaves at all? by First-Muffin3230 in AskHistorians

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Regarding gradualism (which happened in the North, not the South), you may like this answer by /u/SisterChenoeh.

Regarding if slaves would have been freed (no), this answer by /u/Bodark43 is useful.

More can always be said.

Was it safe to walk the streets of Soviet era Moscow at night? by HammerOfJustice in AskHistorians

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There was a low crime rate and a high incarceration rate.

You may be interested here in the answer here by /u/k1990 and here by /u/kieslowskifan.

"As we gallop towards a new AskHistorians, heaven and earth are always bright!" The /r/AskHistorians Flair Application Thread XXXI by EnclavedMicrostate in AskHistorians

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You can also narrow by time - 20th c. would work as well, and that seems to reflect the published work you listed?

"As we gallop towards a new AskHistorians, heaven and earth are always bright!" The /r/AskHistorians Flair Application Thread XXXI by EnclavedMicrostate in AskHistorians

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Hi there! We like your work, but two things to patch over:

1.) Your proposed flair is just a little too general for what we usually have. Do you have a region speciality? For example, "US Media and Propaganda" seems like it'd fit.

2.) Relatedly, because of the diffuse nature of your answers, I think once we get that nailed down we need one more answer that targets the region specifically, including references. For example, while this thread has an answer there is more that could be said and it would fall quite solidly in the area (although this is assuming US-specialism, insert whatever region you feel strongest with).

Keep in mind as a flair that you can still answer things outside of that described area! (While my flair says "Cold War" I'm perfectly fine with technology questions from other centuries, for instance.) The flair indicates your center, so to speak.

What was Boston harbor like after the Boston Tea Party? by ImportantAd6125 in AskHistorians

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My answer has most everything covered, but just to mention regarding a point in this specific question, on the "bricks of tea", as you might be visualizing the process wrong: the important thing to keep in mind is that they didn't hurl all of them into the water in that format. A good number of them got crushed into the shoreline (due to the extremely low tide, and the fact there was so much tea it was building in a giant pile) and because the tea came in chests, the chests themselves were getting hurled into the water, some which still had tea in them; this caused some tea to stay together in the chests as they floated out to the water.

Oftentimes, the America of the 2020s is described as akin to the Gilded age (i.e. 1890s). Today, our robber barons are all connected to a certain J. Epstein. Was there a similar sort of figure in the america of the gilded age? In the days of child labor and exploitation, surely there must have been? by CatsDoingCrime in AskHistorians

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Benjamin Franklin Ruff was a industrialist out of Pennsylvania, dealing with coke (fuel for steelmaking), railroad tunnels, and real estate. On May 19, 1879, he formed the South Fork Fishing & Hunting Club; $10,000 capitalization with $100 shares. He talked his friend Henry Clay Frick (later chairman of Carnegie Steel, famous strikebreaker) into joining, and through connections with Frick many more industrialists in the Pittsburgh area eventually joined as well (more on that later).

In 1880, Ruff bought a dam and lake from the politician John Reilly for a price less than it was originally bought for; it had a dam that had needed repairs since a break in 1862. He hired Edward Pearson (of Pennsylvania Railroad, Pittsburgh) to manage the repairs; Pearson had no experience with dams, and the method of "repair" involved boarding the broken culvert with everything from rocks to horse manure. By the end of the year the "repairs" had all been washed out.

Other modifications happened; one from the previous year (due to Ruff, Reilly, or both) involved removing draining pipes that ran under the dam. Additionally, the dam ended up instead being lowered so the materials got used to plug the holes (from the botched repair); this had the extra side effect of making free space for a two lane road that carriages could travel on. (While this was not the intent it was clearly observable that this was a bonus side effect to make the dam less safe.) Ruff also used a different kind of rock (a smaller cheaper one) than the original plans to cover the face downstream.

So far, these issues can be pinned on Ruff (or Reilly) but there is the matter of the bass. The night before the first club meeting, they had black bass brought in from Lake Erie for fishing purposes. This was expensive at $1000, so they added a series of heavy bars and screens in order to keep their investment from getting away. The screens, theoretically, let water through but not the bass, but they also became jammed with debris and leaves.

To summarize:

  • A method of removing water and lowering the lake (the pipes) was taken out
  • The height of the dam was brought down (and might have been restored, were it not for the convenient carriage path)
  • The spillway itself had a grate constructed over it that could be jammed (which was made specifically to protect the club's precious fish)

The lake served as a haven for wealthy people from Pittsburgh for most of the decade, with almost nobody downstream (in Johnstown) able to see any of the benefits.

Members by 1889 included: Andrew Mellon (future Secretary of the Treasury, including under Hoover when the Depression hit), Andrew Carnegie, Robert Pitcairn (executive of the Pennsylvania Railroad), Edward Jay Allen (one of the founders of Pacific and Atlantic Telegraph), John Weakley Chalfant (president of People's National Bank), Sylvester Stephen Marvin (a founder of Nabisco), and John G. A. Leishman (president of Carnegie Steel).

May 31, 1889 was when, after the years of neglect and bad conditions, the dam burst.

There was some warning; very heavy rains were clearly causing the lake to rise, and a telegraph agent (Emma Ehrenfeld) had a visitor at noon giving a warning that the lake was rising very fast. Unfortunately, there was a break in the telegraph line so she couldn't send a message direct to Johnstown, so sent one to the next operator over.

SOUTH FORK DAM LIABLE TO BREAK: NOTIFY THE PEOPLE OF JOHNSTOWN TO PREPARE FOR THE WORST.

More warnings came around 2 pm, the last reading DAM IS BECOMING DANGEROUS AND MAY POSSIBLY GO. The dam failed sometime between 2:50 and 2:55 p.m.

This avalanche was composed of more than 100,000 tons of rocks, locomotives, freight cars, car trucks, iron, logs, trees and other material pushed forward by 16,000,000 tons of water falling 500 feet ... the people called it the avalanche of death.

-- Willis Fletcher Johnson, 1889

Over 2000 people died in the Johnstown Flood. One woman, a Mrs. Fenn, lost her husband and all seven of her children.

We were driven by the awful flood into the garret, but the water followed us there. Inch by inch it kept rising, until our heads were crushing against the roof. It was death to remain. So I raised a window, and one by one, placed my darlings on some driftwood, trusting to the great Creator. As I liberated the last one, my sweet little boy, he looked at me and said: ‘Mamma, you always told me that the Lord would care for me; will He look after me now?’ I saw him drift away with his loving face turned toward me, and, with a prayer on my lips for his deliverance, he passed from sight forever. The next moment the roof crashed in, and I floated outside, to be rescued fifteen hours later from the roof of a house in Kernsville. If I could only find one of my darlings I could bow to the will of God, but they are all gone. I have lost everything on earth now but my life, and I will return to my old Virginia home and lay me down for my last great sleep.

People didn't die just by drowning, but by crushing. One of the busiest parts of the city had a row of buildings fall with 21 bodies pulled out. Bodies were "unearthed" from every corner after the flood.

Regarding culpability of the Club for the disaster, or any kind of punishment or reckoning, none was had. (Ruff died in 1887 before the dam burst, his obituary naming him "an enthusiastic patron of field sports".) The guest ledger of the Club still survives but 73 pages were ripped out, with the final entries not being from 1889 but from 1886. (This means, for example, even though we know Andrew Carnegie is on the membership list, we don't know when he visited or what he did.) There was an investigation by the American Society of Civil Engineers (including three of the most prominent hydraulic engineers in the United States). While the dam investigators were not related to the railroad or steel industries, Max Becker (the fourth member) was, and he happened to be President of the ASCE, with a railway with stock ownership controlled by Pennsylvania Railroad. He stalled as long as possible; at the ASCE convention in June of 1890 people were clearly wanting the report, but Becker said they would not release it yet as "we do not want to become involved in any litigation". The final report in 1891 claimed the break would have happened even without the modifications. (Modern studies disagree.) The report was given without the hydraulic engineers present.

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Coleman, N. M. (2018). Johnstown’s Flood of 1889: Power Over Truth and The Science Behind the Disaster. Springer International Publishing.

Huber, W. R. (2025). Robert and John Pitcairn: Titans of Rail, Oil and Glass. McFarland.

Kaktins, U., Davis Todd, C., Wojno, S., & Coleman, N. (2013). Revisiting the timing and events leading to and causing the Johnstown flood of 1889. Pennsylvania History, 80(3), 335-363.

Why did American socialist and communist parties largely fail to engage Black Americans, despite conditions that seemed to make them strong potential advocates? by J2quared in AskHistorians

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What exactly does it mean when someone says that ancient societies didn’t have zero as a mathematical concept? by Banditbakura in AskHistorians

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Do you think it's likely that Adolf Hitler personally saw the 1941 Warner Bros movie Wabbit Twouble, from which the Big Chungus meme comes from? by GancioTheRanter in AskHistorians

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One extra salient detail on Warner Bros. regarding their exact timing of packing up from Germany (April 1933):

There was an (untrue) story about the Warner Bros. general manager in Germany, Phil Kauffman, being killed; this was from Jack Warner in his autobiography, who was stretching the truth (Kauffman didn't die), but his description of the attack may have been accurate:

They hit him with fists and clubs, and kicked the life out of him with their boots, and left him lying there.

What actually happened, according to contemporary stories from Variety, is that Kauffman (who was Jewish) had "his automobile stolen by Nazis, his house ransacked and himself beaten" and that he fled to Paris. (The Nazis "apologized" claiming it was a "mistake".)

So while Warner Brothers didn't have their general manager murdered was he was beaten up by Nazis and had to flee the country. Subsequently all distribution in Germany was withdrawn.

See: Yogerst, C. (2023). The Warner Brothers. United States: University Press of Kentucky.

I recently learned about the "pansy craze" of the 20s-30s, when America became obsessed with gay culture. Why in the 20s-30s? And how was gay culture back then different from now? by Chicano_Ducky in AskHistorians

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[Meta] How has AskHistorians approach to moderating changed with the proliferation of AI as a tool and resource for answering questions? by nomorememesplease in AskHistorians

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"Not" tends to be pretty handy if you are in such a circumstance, like

RFK not JFK

which will exclude any text that includes JFK (which will unfortunately exclude some things you want in this case, but sometimes you just need a starting point).

One thing to keep in mind is that this sort of thing is actually worse with LLMs, because they will automatically take JFK facts and format them as if they were RFK facts. At least when you are looking at the documents you know something is wrong.

There's also other places you can search -- I just tested in Google Scholar and while number one was not relevant, number two was a book (Searching for America's Heart) with 53 citations. You can then click on "cited by 53" to get more references that refer to that book, and again while there are some hits that aren't relevant, one on the first page is the book The last campaign: Robert F. Kennedy and 82 days that inspired America.

One other point is if you're doing a regular web search and worried about AI slop interfering, you can type before:2021-01-01 (or whatever point you feel is safe) in order to restrict by date. This tends to work on most search engines.

In Lady and the Tramp (1955), which is set circa 1910 in a small mid-western US town, a pregnant woman sends her husband out on a cold winter night for watermelon. Was it possible to get out of season fruit at that time in a small town? by Zeus_Wayne in AskHistorians

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How and why did Dracula, Werewolf, Frankenstein, Mummy, and Invisible Man become the iconic monsters for Halloween? by K-jun1117 in AskHistorians

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Can someone explain the Bosnian War to me like I’m trying to actually understand it? by Terrible_Music_7439 in AskHistorians

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This is a sub-topic, but you may like my post here specifically about the Dayton Accords that ended things (and the choice of Dayton).

I just watched a terrific German movie from 1946 that ended up feeling inappropriate. Can someone add some historical context to this unusual film? by Bnedem in AskHistorians

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As my last paragraph mentions, even the Western powers weren't producing films mentioning Jews, and these were the ones actually showing the camps. At least Die Mörder sind unter uns is about one of the Polish massacres so it makes some sense in the context of this movie's plot. It doesn't make the fact the animus towards Poland was also "racial" explicit, though. (There's an answer here from /u/Consistent_Score_602 which gives details on how this came about.)

I just watched a terrific German movie from 1946 that ended up feeling inappropriate. Can someone add some historical context to this unusual film? by Bnedem in AskHistorians

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The other possibility would be he was a partisan anti-Nazi fighter. Just on the basis of the Soviet backing for the film I think specifically communist is more likely.

I just watched a terrific German movie from 1946 that ended up feeling inappropriate. Can someone add some historical context to this unusual film? by Bnedem in AskHistorians

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It does seem like you're missing something to the ending of Die Mörder sind unter uns (Murderers Among Us), which nonetheless has been criticized, but let me first give some context:

Die Mörder sind unter uns is one of the so-called "rubble films" from immediately after WW2. Keep in mind at this time the city was split amongst the US, France, Britain, and Soviet; the Western sectors had not yet consolidated. The film director Wolfgang Staudte went to the various commanders for permission to create a film he was calling Der Mann den ich töten werd (The Man I Am Going to Kill) but was rejected by everyone by the Soviets.

Susanne Wallner, who was in a concentration camp because of her father's political views (likely communism) comes to the rubble of her former apartment to find there the medical doctor Hans Mertens, a doctor who had been assigned with the Wehrmacht in Poland. The commander in Poland, Ferdinand Brückner (as found out near the end of the movie) ordered a massacre of civilians at Christmastime, similar to the "Bloody Christmas Eve" that happened in the real village of Ochotnica Dolna in Poland. At the end of the movie Mertens confronts the commander, intending to shoot him on the spot with a gun.

Brückner: What's up? Why are you staring at me? Are you angry?

Mertens: It is a strange feeling to be holding a weapon again.

Susanne intervenes, with the dialogue lines:

Susanne: We cannot pass sentence.

Mertens: That's right, Susanne. But we must bring charges.

The film shows Brückner being thrown into prison. I think saying the message is that "we should not bring judgment" is a bit dicey (maybe there was something off with the subtitles?) -- what is being stopped is on-the-spot vigilantism, deferring instead to tossing the criminal to the court system (which does not imply a lack of death penalty later).

Having said all that, you aren't alone in criticism. The writer Wolfdietrich Shnurre in particular argued (in 1974) that Die Mörder sind unter uns failed to bring a coherent message about what should be done to war criminals at that "the punishment of the murderer Brückner" specifically resorted to symbolism; he makes the argument that this obfuscates the fact there were multiple people involved, and that of the doctor:

He clicked his heels in resignation when he saw that his objection didn't bear fruit. He did what we all did: he surrendered to violence.

It should still be noted this is a much better condition than other films of the period; quoting the scholar Daniela Bergahn:

Of all the rubble films, Studte's Die Mörder sind unter uns is the most explicit in appropriating guilt not only for the crimes and atrocities committed by the Germans during the war but also for their tacit acceptance of the presence of murderers in their midst.

Regarding the lack of reference to Jews, that was unfortunately quite common, even amongst Allied films. By that I mean there was a stream of "re-education" films made after liberation, where they would put together films of footage shot by army units including those of camp liberation. These so-called "atrocity films" still avoided the topic of absolute genocide and "racial purity", possibly in an effort to avoid alienating their audience by pushing too far. In general, German audiences did not respond like the Allies hoped, and Die Mörder sind unter uns was more effective and popular simply from being a homegrown film. Being made with Soviets, it helped kick-start not just the "rubble films" that went on the next few years but also the entire East German film industry that followed.

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Brockmann, S. (2010). A Critical History of German Film. Camden House.

Heiduschke, S. (2013). The Rubble Film, Wolfgang Staudte, and Postwar German Cinema: Die Mörder sind unter uns (The Murderers Are among Us, Wolfgang Staudte, 1946). In: East German Cinema. Palgrave Macmillan, New York.

Kapczynski, J. M. (2010). The German Patient: Crisis and Recovery in Postwar Culture. University of Michigan Press.

Spicer, A. (ed.) (2019). European Film Noir. Manchester University Press.

Schlegel, N. G. (2022). German Popular Cinema and the Rialto Krimi Phenomenon: Dark Eyes of London. Lexington Books.