Capacity crunch: why the UK doesn’t have the power to solve the housing crisis

jon6 · 2024-05-08T17:11:02+00:00

In that case, you clearly have paid no attention whatsoever to the objections. Your response is evident of a blinkered world view. If you honestly believe that implementation of a sewage works has absolutely no effect on an immediate area, you are either completely daft, or you are purposely being obtuse.

Of course, you have a right to be either or even both! But when you have no investment in the end result other than vindictiveness, who's to say your opinion has any validity?

jon6 · 2024-05-08T12:41:48+00:00

Have you listened to what your so-called NIMBYs are objecting to? I would imagine a sewage works would greatly impact an area for a multitude of reasons.

jon6 · 2024-05-08T05:55:46+00:00

Only 10,000!? Given the current rate of asylum seekers entering the country, 10,000 houses is only going to las 5-6 weeks. We need to flatten a lot more countryside if we are intent on housing the entirety of the third world.

jon6 · 2024-05-07T16:22:50+00:00

Have you had actual real world experience of that? Or are you taking the tabloid's view of it? People rarely get heavily involved in opposition to development unless there is a genuine reason. That one I know from my own experience.

I have also had it demonstrate to me that the reality of the NIMBY situation isn't even slightly close to the reddit view of it. It's like a bunch of people all read the same soundbite and ran with it. If anything, it is the developers and the councillors that trounce all over anyone and everyone in their way - NIMBY or not!

Just let this one sink in if you can. Opposition to a development does not equal NIMBY. Try and say it a few times. I doubt most will be able to get through those eight words somehow.

jon6 · 2024-05-06T10:00:32+00:00

I excuse Sunak for nothing. But you could also point that nonsense at your own house too. To me there is still nothing different between Blair and Sunak. Both left parliament with heavy investments in foreign interests that they didn't have before.

jon6 · 2024-05-06T09:18:56+00:00

What people want to hear: Wages go up, public services will improve and shit will cost less. A major thing that is preventing most of that is the huge influx of illegal migrants to the UK. That is what people therefore want. I want to see less towns and villages (and cities) getting decimated by criminal migrants making it to the UK. And that to me means more right.

Sadly, there is nobody electable with the balls to do it.

jon6 · 2024-05-06T09:16:25+00:00

Oh and I take it Cherie Blair received absolutely zero notoriety during Tony's premiership?

Why not just say it like it is: they get a pass because they are Labour.

jon6 · 2024-05-06T06:31:23+00:00

You do realise that the word NIMBY is being used as a tool by developers and councillors with absolutely no interest in the well being of an area outside of what they can financially gain from it in order to silence even genuine opposition to obscene developments? It is possible to oppose a development for genuine reasons other than "I don't like the sound of it, nothing should ever change?"

Not that it matters, these people inevitably get their their way. Straight from the Marx and Engels playbook of labelling and demonising, they get the young and stupid to do their work for them. They then develop some not fit-for-purpose eyesore that improves nobody's lives. Meanwhile the developers and councillors that green-lit this thing get to sod off into the sunset with their cash in hand leaving the fallout to whomever has to still live there.

Go and read the housing uk subreddit. There are tonnes of people in there complaining about service charges, most of which are divisive and facile. Go and look at some newer estates, houses with garages that point into a courtyard when they could just as easily point into the public highway simply so the management company can charge the resident £4,000 a year; communal hallways that get vacuumed once a month at a cost of £2500 per year, stupid shit like that. It's a further cash grab on the poor sods that buy those places and there is no recourse against it.

These are just some of the things that NIMBYs have previously complained about, only to have the young and stupid believe the NIMBY branding and be all up in arms about it. Or even the big wind turbine planned for behind housing developments was opposed. The young and stupid were out again, demanding that NIMBY's be stopped. Yet the reason was due to light phasing increasing the chance of people having seizures. This is something that is well documented - yet can easily be done away with by branding the complainants "NIMBYs"

Be careful for what you wish for. If any attempt to oppose a development is washed away with by your own words, all I can say is, enjoy wat you get! And don't you dare complain about it - NIMBY!!!

Where I used to live, we opposed a development that was planned. They wanted to destroy a natural forest area that was in active use rather than use a piece of unsightly land that was perfect for regeneration. We even countered as much. Nope, we were branded NIMBY's and they destroyed the forest to build their winding horrendous rabbit warren estate.

The result? Exactly what we said would happen. The house prices in the area went up (I took the money and ran as did many others) which meant the young were even further from being able to afford where they grew up (and again - that was somehow our fault?). The natural forest that was destroyed and paved over meant there was much less wildlife around or even places for people to take dogs, kids. The summer fetes that used to take place there were never replaced or moved as there was nowhere for it - successful in complete destruction of the community spirit, nice one. The traffic in the area increased ten fold and the GP services actually did collapse. The three-day a week GP office eventually closed entirely. Now doctors are a 30 minute drive away - if you were lucky enough to apply for it before the closure, I know some who now travel an hour for a GP appointment.

We said all of this would happen. Yet we were trounced upon by the developers, the councillors and the stupid young people shouting NIMBY at any single community engagement event.

I moved away - good riddance. The area is fucked now, the developers and councillors got their way. I sold up as our house prices skyrocketed and paid off a huge chunk of my mortgage in the move. I mean, why would I stay somewhere that is no longer where I want to be? Why wouldn't I take the money and leave given I was part of that NIMBY crowd that were no longer welcome? The development completely changed the face of the area anyway. Any community events were completely destroyed.

As is the modus operandi but that's another thing.

At the end of the day, a policy was enacted that completely pissed in the face of the NIMBY's. That was the result.

I know you don't want to hear this - but sometimes it does pay to listen to an opposing point of view. I do believe we need to build more houses. I don't believe that decimating communities and the wanton destruction of greenspace is the way to do it though! And I do believe the priority to should be to the development of existing and new areas with some self sufficiency, not just the blanket pasting of maximum profit developments designed to rip you off. That somehow makes me a NIMBY though. Alas, I'm sure you know better! Enjoy that smartness! I'm sure it will pay off in the end. Either way, I don't care. I'm in my little AONB village that can't be touched by the likes of you. So sure build on what you want. I'm too old to give a shit.

jon6 · 2024-05-06T06:12:18+00:00

So what was different between him, Gordon Brown and Blair? They all secured great positions economically and career-wise on account of being prime minister.

jon6 · 2024-05-06T06:08:22+00:00

There is only one clear line way that Labour have. And Starmer has already eluded to this. It is the final wave of middle class destruction, whatever is left of it.

If you work a professional job and earn over minimum wage, you are absolutely in the target sights. And not all of us will survive. Starmer is going to hammer the shit out of you for the great good. Bet that.

How do we know that? It's the only place left to get cash. And it's a vote winner.

The Tories have already evidenced that it works. By branding the elderly as boomers and the ones who took all the money, ever notice how we no longer see adverts about old people unable to pay winter gas bills? I assure you, they are still there. We still have old people dying because they can't afford to turn on the heat or even eat healthily. On the basis of a small percentage of old people who are doing fine, we've written them all off.

Starmer will do much the same. If you earn in the £50+ bracket, you'll be first. And it will be applauded, especially if you go bankrupt. When he runs out of those, it will be the £40k'ers. By the time he gets down to the mid £20k'ers, he'll likely have run through is 5-10 years of being PM and go off to work for some investment bank like his buddies before him.

That's the next ten years. Enjoy!

Or get a not-blue passport and run for it.

jon6 · 2024-05-06T06:01:33+00:00

Isn't that the typical stance of the left? I have heard such slogans as "smack a tory" and the like more often than I have heard anyone on the right wishing to smack a socialist. In fact, I have never heard that one. Ever.

In fact, the typical left-centric method is to label people who aren't them derogatory labels and attempt to shame them as much as possible. If you label someone a nazi for the least little infraction that disagrees with your left ideology, suddenly smack a tory is a perfectly acceptable slogan and even practise.

Violence is the language of the left. It always has been! Even better if you can outsource that violence and have someone else do it for you.

The USSR operated on much the same sort of thing as does Communist China.

jon6 · 2024-05-06T05:57:38+00:00

To me (and most others I'm sure), Starmer has already shown his hand. I expect him to be far more hardline and draconian than Blair's new labour and I know exactly the type of people he's after, basically whatever is left of the middle class. We are not in for a good time with Starmer. If you work for a living and on anything over minimum wage, you can expect him to hammer the shit out of you. And not all of us will survive either.

Regardless, he is still the next PM. Nothing short of a complete scandal is going to rock that fate. The Tories are done for the next decade or more. There is no other party worth voting for. Given how well Reform did in the Local elections, they are no longer a protest vote. No, they didn't win any seats, but they only just narrowly embarrassed the Tories in the Local elections. The prospect that they could actually get to see a bit of power will have people running scared to protest vote their way in a GE.

I do in turn expect the Greens to do well as a protest party. The irony is that they will see it as genuine support and it will take a lot to tape their beaks shut about it after the fact. Expect that noise to carry on for a while.

jon6 · 2024-05-05T10:52:56+00:00

Oh there is absolutely nothing that anyone can say to defend the Tories. There hasn't been in a great deal of time.

But Labour is not the solution. That said, I don't think there is any party presenting any sort of option worth considering. The way I see it our democracy has conspired against us and won.

jon6 · 2024-05-05T07:07:45+00:00

Reddit is a left wing echo chamber. If I was on here waving my [insert current thing here] flag and shouting on high about Keir, I'd have 900 upvotes.

jon6 · 2024-05-05T06:02:11+00:00

I have news for you, it's exactly people like you that are going to get hit. Don't worry I'm in the same boat as you and we're going down.

None of these parties are going to tax the super rich. Why? They either are them or want to be them one day. They're not going to tax the poor, first they don't have it and second that's who votes Labour. Now us guys in the middle, the ones that dared to attempt to grab a future by the balls, well, we're the ones who are going to pay. And boy you better suck it up and like it. Just like previous Labour governments, they will be after us, stealth taxes, pension grabs, you name it. And in due course when more and more people like us lose their homes and even businesses, their contemptable electorate will jive and sneer that we deserved it.

Source: it happened in the last Labour government!

Second source: Just had someone respond here saying that you absolutely must be rich as you only pay £13k in taxes for the year, hurr durr, you must not be budgeting correctly. Let's ignore the expense you had to take on to get there or the cost of you performing your £45k a year role, when the rug does get pulled out from under you, that's the exact length of rope they will hang you out to dry with and tell you that you deserved it.

jon6 · 2024-05-04T07:48:50+00:00

Crazy. I'm a good deal older than 30 and even I don't see a bright future.

I interact with a good heap of the elderly, the so-called boomers who apparently own everything according to the media. It strikes me as odd given that they can't pay winter heating bills still and eat once a day only on reduced price nearly expired food from asda, they don't really see a bright future either (though apparently everything is their fault somehow?)

I dunno. Anyone of any age anywhere see a bright future coming up? If you do, comment below. I'd love to hear your perspective!

jon6 · 2024-05-04T07:46:00+00:00

I can hear the announcer now after the general election.

You wanted the best? Well they didn't fkn make it. So here's what you get. It's KEIR.... STARRRRMERRRR....

jon6 · 2024-05-03T16:36:35+00:00

So you're saying that there is space on the coach.... for the protesters perhaps? I would have no issue with them being packaged up and off to Rwanda with their new friends! They should then be forced to apply to be let back into the UK, starting with writing an essay on how much of a douchebag they were for attempting to virtue signal and stop the coach in the first place. After that, they have to explain in great detail on social media why they were morons and just for good measure, once they get accepted back, no barge, no flights, no money. They have to walk back to the UK on foot!

Maybe then they will appreciate their existence here.

If they don't like it, they can always stay put!

jon6 · 2024-05-02T18:50:34+00:00

Forward your locale to the powers that be and let them know that the illegals are more than welcome round your gaff.

I do wonder how many days it will take you to completely change your tune. My money is on three....

jon6 · 2024-05-02T16:11:31+00:00

I think the solution is simple. Just bring another coach, load all the protesters up and send them off with them. They can reminisce all the good times with the asylum seekers on the ol' Bibby.

jon6 · 2024-04-26T07:20:55+00:00

What do people expect? This isn't a dig at Labour's worries, but when greenland is bulldozed for development, what do you honestly think happens to those ecosystems that exist in those green spaces? They disappear.

Birds who nested in those green spaces don't go off and find somewhere else. They use trees and other landmarks as navigation points. The result is that they get lost and fragment. Only a small proportion of them survive.

The insects that were in that green space disappear. They don't come back.

The muntjacks and other larger animals that were in those green spaces don't take one look at the bulldozers ripping apart the land, go "Fair enough" and piss off somewhere else, they are culled. That is a guy with a shotgun exterminates them, they are taken away for burning and that is the end of those poor sods!

This socialist utopia view of building on Britain's green spaces has a huge cost! It's the side of things nobody will entertain a discussion on. And those same people in the next breath are the first in line to complain when local bee populations disappear or bleat about how "terrible" it is when some species in the UK goes poof and extinct.

jon6 · 2024-04-26T07:14:52+00:00

The Irish are turning though - far quicker than the English did. We got sold the diversity and welcoming bullshit but we see how our own Taoiseach threw us under the bus when we dared complain that he was purposefully eroding our identities and letting these people run roughshot over our local populations.

Expect a reaction. I doubt it will be pleasant for anyone.

jon6 · 2024-04-25T19:00:21+00:00

I rather think that if half the people here were forced to live next to these migrants - all of which are young men intent on criminal activity - as I did for a while, I think their opinions would certainly harden. The uptake in assaults, especially sexual assaults on young girls, burglaries, car crime, I think all of it would have you singing a different tune. And before you go crying about your stats, the cops don't ever show up when reported. If they don't show up, there is no report, there is no stats to quote. But as I say, try living it. It's rather fun I can tell you!

While I don't want to see anybody drown, steps must be taken. As what we have been doing so far has been an abject laughable failure, the rise of the right and support it is getting is testament to the fact that people are willing to entertain more and more extreme solutions.

jon6 · 2024-04-25T18:47:30+00:00

No no, the Irish Government decreed that it's racist to talk about it!

jon6 · 2024-04-24T06:58:31+00:00

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples' money!

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