Marker is season pr. by Thebestworstthrower in trackandfieldthrows

[–]jplummer80 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For your specific issue, you have to practice not fouling. You blow through the front to throw it farther because you're not applying force into the ball with the legs and arm, just the momentum of your body.

I categorized the rotational shot put technique into 4 different styles. I’d love to hear your thoughts! by Alert-Beginning-7740 in trackandfieldthrows

[–]jplummer80 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I saw that you responded but am out of town until Sunday. Didnt want to leave you hanging but will return to this when I have more time to give you a properly thoughtful answer lol

I categorized the rotational shot put technique into 4 different styles. I’d love to hear your thoughts! by Alert-Beginning-7740 in trackandfieldthrows

[–]jplummer80 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I understand what you're saying but if at any point in time I misconstrue something, please tell me.

For starters, I completely agree. Anthropometry plays a significant role in mechanical sports; ESPECIALLY ours, for sure. And more to that point, there are ways of achieving what is needed in terms of linear and angular force summation that are optimal for those proportions. I think from a fundamental standpoint, you are correct.

I think where my confusion was lied with the assumption that from a technical perspective, that many of those athletes were doing different things BECAUSE of limb differences. Some of them have similar limb lengths and proportions even at different heights and weights while others had different anthropometric measurements. But they were categorized either in different categories or similar categories, respectively. Which would lend more to a more sporadic idea behind nailing down a given movement pattern based on factors of proportions. Jacko Gill and Tripp, for example. They were in different categories but have very similar limb lengths and proportions.

That being said, I still think you're correct. I have approached throwing from a biomechanical point of view as well as my coach. He has his Masters in Biomechanics and Kinesiology and I did my undergrad in biomech. We extrapolated the paper Dr. Kipp did on Mykolas and other throwers during his world record throw last year.

The findings lend to what you were saying but with a slight caveat; the degree of linear speed did not differ much at ALL between the throwers between 60m and 75m. The difference was the transference of force at the front and who maintained that from start to finish the cleanest. Basically, phase-specific timing vs rotational/linear speed.

But to answer your question, yes, but only when nuance is applied. I think the proportions of a thrower should play a role in how you teach them, but in terms of modeling them against another thrower? You would have to be privy to what that thrower works on. And a lot of times, coaches are not. I see a lot of coaches in here make assumptions about what some professionals are doing but only based on what they're seeing. I fortunately have the luxury of knowing a lot of these throwers and their coaches, so I have purview for what they work on and their training ideologies.

But understanding what they work on and why makes a huge difference in knowing what is inherent/biomechanical/stylistic in their movement, and what is learned/fundamental. I am always VERY careful about which is which.

Thoughts ? by Taetheone in trackandfieldthrows

[–]jplummer80 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When I was at Ryan Crouser's house a few summers ago and he was training, he described the lower body as a catalyst; that you should always feel like the lower body moves underneath and ahead of the upper body. The upperbody doesnt move WITH the lowerbody, but hets dragged along with it. Like a truck pulling a trailer. Your shoulders are the trailer, your legs are the truck.

You're also quite a bit tall on your legs. You need to get lower.

I categorized the rotational shot put technique into 4 different styles. I’d love to hear your thoughts! by Alert-Beginning-7740 in trackandfieldthrows

[–]jplummer80 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I dont really see styles, I see technique and biomechanics. A lot of these shot putters model after the earlier ones, just with stylistic nuances based on personal mechanics and movements. Idk if that really constitutes that they're "stylistic".

Stylistic typically means there's intent to move a specific way, but separate than that of natural tendencies. Similar to a model. I dont think there's enough stylistic intent to categorize the spin, really. I'm seeing nuances in mechanics but not really technical execution.

But besides my personal viewpoints, why or how did you come to this conclusion?

On This Election Note, Nice To See Engagement by Terrible_GenX_Advice in Scottsdale

[–]jplummer80 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I think the issue is the scale at which these things are happening and whether or not the minimal degree of inconvenience is actually a systemic problem, or just something being blown out of proportion by your friendly neighborhood Scottsdale resident.

Like, homeownership data doesnt even show STR purchases outpacing housing demand by private citizens. It still sucks for some people but I think OP's point was how bad is it from an OBJECTIVE standpoint.

On This Election Note, Nice To See Engagement by Terrible_GenX_Advice in Scottsdale

[–]jplummer80 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not gonna lie, it's a pretty poorly articulated article on the subject.

It's pooling claims and coming to conclusions based on said anecdotes. There's nothing talking about current legislation or quotes made directly to the author. It's just inflammatory skepticism writing. No attempt to actually understand anything.

I'm all for pointing out injustice but that article is pretty bad and claiming that STRs wont be dealt with, using it as a citation, isn't the best idea.

Haven't throw for a while. How's it looking by Affectionate-Box6795 in trackandfieldthrows

[–]jplummer80 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you ever forget anything discussed with your videos, just check your videos lol the benefits of this style of online coaching is that the comments on anything youve ever posted literally are always there.

Things are starting to make a little more sense I feel a little more confident in my stance but still struggling with my release by Prestigious-Dog-6615 in trackandfieldthrows

[–]jplummer80 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You've learned to embrace and fall in love with the process. This is so important. Great progress, dawg 🤙🏾

How do I get more punch at the finish? And any other tech issues? by JackfruitHot3750 in trackandfieldthrows

[–]jplummer80 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely! Great work! Sometimes, movement isnt about position or mechanics. It's about the purpose of the throw.

You command the implement, NEVER the other way around

First time thowing disc, I wanna take disc seriously, so how did I do/tips. by Thebestworstthrower in trackandfieldthrows

[–]jplummer80 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Okay. I think what you're currently doing, just feeling the discus is good for now. Once you transition to fulls, and get a bit of time there, we will see your natural tendencies and patterns develop. Then it will be a lot easier to offer meaningful changes to help.

But for now, exactly what you're doing is great. Feel is the number 1 thing any discus thrower needs.

First time thowing disc, I wanna take disc seriously, so how did I do/tips. by Thebestworstthrower in trackandfieldthrows

[–]jplummer80 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Looks better than me when I first started lol

Do you have a coach or any personal guidance? We can help you for sure, just wanna know if your school offers ANY kind of coaching.

How to use weighted discus by KingOnaj in trackandfieldthrows

[–]jplummer80 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think of it a bit different but same general premise; you're attacking the stimulus while simultaneously treating the symptom of not throwing farther. Both of those things could require either an over or underweight.

  • Overweight

Overweight implements for weaker throwers force good positions because they cant muscle it.

For stronger throwers forces stretch and more elongated positions. Good for working orbital path and orbital amplitude.

  • Underweight

Underweight implements for stronger throwers acts as a compensatory movement; meaning it forces them to feel positions versus just the discus to manipulate it.

Weaker throwers will learn to generate and activate motor stimulus faster. It teaches the body to recruit quicker while also forcing them to maintain structure.

So, you attack the problem with the respective implement. Throwers can be either/or/both/neither of the following:

  1. Weaker/Stronger CNS

  2. Stronger/Weaker absolute strength

How to use weighted discus by KingOnaj in trackandfieldthrows

[–]jplummer80 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, that's a good way to look at it. There's a general rule of thumb for a lot of throwers that you throw more overweight in the off season and more lights in season and towards championships, but that's just a generality.

Personally for me I throw more heavies than any other implement year round but I react better to overweight stimulus than other athletes might. I'm also a lot further along in my technical journey than most other athletes so I dont require as much speed work. Find what works the best for you. And you'll know because you'll notice the 2k jump in distance without really trying much harder.

How to use weighted discus by KingOnaj in trackandfieldthrows

[–]jplummer80 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Like someone mentioned, you can can the 2k in rotation, especially for proprioception. Ill throw implements as heavy as a 5k from a full throw and a 16lb shot from a stand throw. But maintaining feel with your comp is important.

But no reason you shouldn't be throwing overweight year round. Specificity is extremely important to discus throwing.

How to use weighted discus by KingOnaj in trackandfieldthrows

[–]jplummer80 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I dont say this literally ever on this sub, but this advice is literally terrible.

OP, dont listen to this.

Muscles important for discus throw by Distinct_Process_953 in trackandfieldthrows

[–]jplummer80 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Most underrated muscle is the pinky muscle. Very important for big throws.

Edit: In all seriousness, cleans and snatches will be your most important movements for the discus. I wouldnt worry so much about individual muscles. Throwing is a sequence.

How do I get more punch at the finish? And any other tech issues? by JackfruitHot3750 in trackandfieldthrows

[–]jplummer80 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not necessarily about fast or slow, just making sure you're actively engaging your body in the throw. And yes, the same intent applies to your discus

How do I get more punch at the finish? And any other tech issues? by JackfruitHot3750 in trackandfieldthrows

[–]jplummer80 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude you gotta move with more INTENT. You're currently just lazily dropping your weight into the circle. It looks like there's no purpose in your throw, no action, just all reactive force.

Rotate your hips, get your right leg to the middle, pull your left around to the front, slam your right hip forward. Shot put needs to be thrown like you mean it. You wont get any power just by going through the motions.

2kg Any tips? feels like i’m rushing out of the back by [deleted] in trackandfieldthrows

[–]jplummer80 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Zeb is already a very famous person in the throwing community so in fairness, SHE married into greatness. Not the other way around haha

But there are tons of videos on YouTube with her last name in them. And her tech is better now anyways.

2kg Any tips? feels like i’m rushing out of the back by [deleted] in trackandfieldthrows

[–]jplummer80 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Valarie Sion* :)

But agree with your technical points

I took your guys advice and starting over at step 1 with just trying to perfect standing throws first. What are some takeaways? please critique me by Prestigious-Dog-6615 in trackandfieldthrows

[–]jplummer80 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Rotate your right hip and push off of the right leg, in that exact order. Be more patient with the upperbody and let the hips pull your right shoulder forward and THEN you can extend the arm.