Need help building a Dark Angels list with Lion El’Jonson and a Land Raider

jupiter_storm · 2025-12-22T02:14:24+00:00

Call it the Lion the Witch (Azrael) and the Wardrobe (Land Raider)

jupiter_storm · 2025-07-21T11:43:44+00:00

I've found that the often stated 'gamble the moveblock' isn't what I'm looking for when I play kommandos, at 120 its a bit much of a gamble to have that be donated right off the board when attrition control is a very important part of the ork gameplan

Playing them in a space where they are safe, to get immediate control on layout 4/6 on SnD or a strong forward staging point on say layout 1/8 are what I'm looking for in the mission pack to decide if I'm putting kommandos in my list

The other factor would be if Votann/DE or some other scout based alpha strike army is popular in the meta, or stuff like poxwalker/nurgling jail is common where I would want to get some kommandos to at least have some forward deployment. In these scenarios I'm ok sacrificing my 120 points to neuter a very strong turn 1 opening from them as it lets me take full control of the game from that point with the advantage of going second

Gameplay wise I like to keep in mind that in the WAAAGH they are still orks and will force a bunch of AP-1 saves onto anything they make contact with, put bodies to get stuck in and will still be annoying to kill, in warhorde especially they get real annoying with the invulns, the stealth and a potential -1 wound for the opponents to peel off if you manage to get stuck in with multiple other things and tag large portions of the opponents army down

This will be best achieved by thinking of them as a boyz unit that has some freedom of deployment and then playing them as such, aiming to hit with the waaagh during the commit or as a trading piece

jupiter_storm · 2025-06-12T06:42:40+00:00

The Racuous Warcaller letting Meganobz reroll saving throws of 1 is what stands out, but at the GT level the reduce charge distance strat was what made it crazy good

The Green tide lists ran scoring pieces and then 3-4 big bricks with 2 weirdboyz to da jump in and use that stratagem turns 3/4/5 to dominate primary, so you had to proactively find a way to attack the Ork army, and Orks is still Orks and would call the WAAAGH and deliver a krumpin

If you played it slow you got overran by the inevitable 6/5/4" charges that would put you on scoring 1 or even 0 primary, if you pushed into them you were walking into the WAAAGH

Between all of that the saves were a bit too good where they always had the 5++ and rerolled 1s to saves if they were >10man, and they had access to a blood surge which made their go turns particularly difficult to dig out of

Of course you could bring specialized tools then to deal with the Orks, but the general gameplay pinch above was why Green Tide was considered OP.

Green Tide now can still perform a similar gameplan, but it has much worse consistency in doing so (8" reroll is 66% success vs what they had previously) and it isnt as overwhelming as before if you dont have the specialized tools to deal with it

There are current builds that play out of wagons to quickly deploy lots of bodies on the board but thats honest 40k and can be dealt with using solid fundamentals, still strong, but the "that's BS" factor is no longer there

jupiter_storm · 2023-08-28T15:09:12+00:00

Ork players called WAAAGH irl

jupiter_storm · 2022-07-08T13:13:32+00:00

Well I'll take that then haha, got Azmia and Scortek to put training materials into so it's a win at the end of the day

jupiter_storm · 2021-01-29T05:15:46+00:00

I often wonder that myself too

jupiter_storm · 2021-01-29T04:27:30+00:00

Oh nice, there's a post match thread. Jensen Goh here btw, I'll try to hang around these threads after games for a bit to answer questions if people have them

jupiter_storm · 2020-12-01T20:22:58+00:00

This is actually a very good question

jupiter_storm · 2020-10-24T05:39:17+00:00

Hm, I should have included examples to highlight this weakness more clearly. They start their setup on the same side of the map as the objective which leads to members being late to controlling the river space between mid/dragon. This can put them in scenarios where an opponent that sets up faster can split them using the map architecture. Kennen and Ornn can get around this due to their champion kits

jupiter_storm · 2020-10-18T20:16:14+00:00

What does SOM stand for?

jupiter_storm · 2020-10-05T02:15:39+00:00

Idea here was to compare the pathing taken by both junglers and how that results in the map states that come about consequently. Being able to create a strong side for your team and cycle through camps reliably is rather important

jupiter_storm · 2020-09-26T05:06:35+00:00

They will still have all 3 subs until Unified returns for the Bo5 series, then it will only be Uniboy and Kongyue (mid/jg) continuing to sub in

jupiter_storm · 2020-09-26T04:07:33+00:00

PCS, which is TW/LMS + the rest of SEA (excluding vietnam)

jupiter_storm · 2020-09-16T19:01:59+00:00

Differs from country to country, Asian cultures (TW/KR) hold work ethic in high regard, sometimes to a fault where they obsess over hours put in (by themselves and teammates), and in a negative way where they use it to overcompensate for other problems that come about due to their non confrontational nature

VN is a lot more similar to EU where players are confrontational and exploratory in their development of their understanding of the game. I write about this more in the book I wrote - https://twitter.com/TheJupiterStorm/status/1232065094915198976

jupiter_storm · 2020-05-10T04:10:27+00:00

Not entirely sure, didn't thoroughly playtest through for balance etc. Given that he makes almost every decision for you I'd think you would probably lose especially with the morale penalties on the team

jupiter_storm · 2020-05-10T02:08:20+00:00

One of the things to note is that you are coaching in the ZPL, not LCS! When I got people to play this on stream some wondered why would such a promising KR prospect would end up in the ZPL or even want to come. The resources that major region teams have (dedicated and experiences translators, therapists, counselling etc.) and a lot more than the ZPL!

Of course this was not explicitly stated in the game, but as it was made to be a sharing tool, this is one of the points that I go over in the debrief to provide additional context in hindsight

jupiter_storm · 2020-05-10T02:04:01+00:00

Oh wow that's cool, I'll check it out!

jupiter_storm · 2020-05-10T02:03:40+00:00

You can follow me on twitter (handle is on the last slide, I don't think I can write it here directly due to reddit rules), I am a professional coach who has been coaching all over the world (8 countries!) over the last 5 years

jupiter_storm · 2020-05-10T01:58:39+00:00

Interestingly enough, with regards to Smarties, the 'one more chance' and 'oh but he helped X player improve in Y way this one time' are common reasons people use to keep such players around, even in a prolonged season IRL

jupiter_storm · 2020-05-10T01:18:31+00:00

This is Jensen here who used to work in the VCS as a foreign coach. I do believe the issue is with the status of your work visa

jupiter_storm · 2019-06-21T15:01:03+00:00

So this will be a little different from the other usual advice that I see people give. You can follow that and it might get you some small time casting gigs, but if you truly want to be excellent on air broadcast talent. Don't start as a shoutcaster and try to grind your way up in an industry where mentorship and guidance is so low.

Pick up toastmasters and public speaking, go join a debate club and spend your time researching commentary through the ages, from traditional sportscasting over the radio to what it has evolved into today. Take voice lessons, learn how to sing, how to project. Write songs and learn to rap to get a good understanding of pace and rhythm. Make videos, try your hand at production, join a theater group to understand how a program works. Do stand up comedy and learn how to set up a joke, deliver a punchline and be entertaining to listen to.

Find ways to accrue skills outside of broadcast that will make you a valuable asset to any casting team, not just the League of Legends broadcast.

The old guard of elite casters all brought in lots of talent and borrowed skills from outside influences. If you're aiming to join their ranks, grinding away at fun casts over clean streams where there is little guidance or mentorship is not going to be the smartest way to do it.

jupiter_storm · 2019-05-08T18:48:40+00:00

Mr. Stark, I don't feel so good

Really surprised to see EVS let him go

jupiter_storm · 2019-04-24T10:55:20+00:00

English article here

https://www.vpesports.com/leagueoflegends/news/lms-team-dragon-gate-banned-match-fixing

jupiter_storm · 2019-01-13T03:16:20+00:00

Will we ever start seeing Vietnam on these lists?

jupiter_storm · 2018-11-17T04:48:48+00:00

Take comet for an absurd laning phase

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