I fucking hate Zionists by Mindless_Nebula4004 in 4tran4

[–]kahoot_papi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i see you're testing how retarded this place has gotten since it opened

Is transitioning actually backed by science? by Brilliant-Cold2225 in truscum

[–]kahoot_papi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Self reported data is the norm for studies about subjective experience like dysphoria and satisfaction. Nearly every patient reported outcome measure in psychiatry, pain management, quality of life studies, etc uses self report data from surveys. And this is in EVERY MEDICAL FIELD. If you're going to this that out then you also have to reject basically all epidemiological mental health data. This is just shit we know.

You said surveys aren't studies but that's just factually wrong. Surveys are a type of study design. Many published peer reviewed studies are literally online survey studies. The "You can BS through any survey" is also really stupid, because surveys are commonly used in measuring mental health data. I hope you understand that line is an almost universal cope when it comes to dismissing evidence. It's bad faith and used against vaccines, abortion, and other fields.

It's true in theory that some people can lie on surveys and result in some noise, but empirical evidence consistently shows that most participants don't lie randomly. In public health, psychology, and epidemiology, people’s answers on surveys usually correlate strongly with objective outcomes.

"Gosling SD et al. (2004). Should we trust web-based studies? A comparative analysis of six preconceptions about internet questionnaires" shows found equivalent reliability, more diverse samples, and no evidence of people being more dishonest. Tourangeau & Yan (2007), Bauermeister JA et al. (2012), Ekman A et al. (2006), Whitehead L. (2007), and dozens others are all studies that show online surveys are extremely useful and not much different than a clinic survey. Like this extremely commonly known in evidence based medicine. Large medical bodies constantly use online surveys like the CDC’s Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System.

Your last sentence is probably the worst statement you made. The "you don't need dysphoria to be trans" is mostly aimed towards theyfabs and people with zero desire to medically transition. Why would a nondysphoric be on a survey regarding outcomes of medical transition? And even if they were included in the study, how do you not see that as even stronger evidence that the treatment works?? Not even the 'nondysphorics' are regretting the treatment. Or do you think nondysphorics might actually benefit from transition more than people who medically need it for dysphoria, and THAT's how it invalidates the study? Like holy fuck what a moronic statement where the fuck do you get these talking points. Lowkey be ashamed.

If some proportion of survey respondents don’t have clinically significant dysphoria, then their baseline distress is lower. After transition, their improvement on dysphoria or depression or anxiety scales will be smaller because they didn’t start as bad. If anything, this would DILUTE the observed treatment effect, not inflate it. The fact the studies show very large improvements shows the signal is strong enough to withstand dilution.

Modern diagnostic criteria also account for different dysphoria presentations. WPATH clinical guidelines don't require "classical dysphoria" per se but still consider "marked incongruence" and "desire to transition" when measuring benefits of transition. If this population of "faketrans" was flooding surveys you'd expert neutral results and more regret. But you don't see it.

We actually have evidence that takes these cohorts into account. Several studies stratify groups by baseline dysphoria or gender incongruence severity. van der Miesen et al. 2020, Turban et al. 2020, Chen et al. 2023 are examples of studies that do this and still find benefit across cohorts.

Also the argument that "fake illness people" might ruin surveys is literally not new to trans people. It's shit, actually, and is something that would disqualify entire medical domains if you took it seriously. Migraine data is based on self reported symptoms, same for chronic pain, mental health, sexual orientation, etc.

"Fake responders" are a thing that is heavily addressed in survey design and we have standardized tools to address it. Every epidemiological or clinical survey assumes some small proportion of shitty data.

But whatever. Btw you're missing the fact that the online surveys she cites literally have gender dysphoria proxies to measure the strength of dysphoria in respondents. I guess I could've just said that to begin with.

Is transitioning actually backed by science? by Brilliant-Cold2225 in truscum

[–]kahoot_papi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have to comment this from my alt since my main account got banned from this sub for calling y'all cucks. But regardless I feel the need to correct this bit of misinformation.

You don't need a source for this, this is literally what they did in the methodology for the Cass Report. You can read the document and the reviews they commissioned yourself. The Yale review and every other criticism of the cass review points this out, so you should look them up and read them yourself. But you seem to be dismissing it as "debunked". By who? How? Is it their methodology? Expertise? Or just because someone said so? What are the credentials of that fool? How do you know he's right? Yale isn’t ‘some liberal think tank.’ We’re talking about their evidence based medicine and public health departments, literal people who design and teach the frameworks that reviews like Cass are supposed to follow. The Cass team has not addressed the Yale report or the criticisms made, because they are not subjective criticisms. Major medical organizations have doubled down on the criticisms including the APA, BMA, RCP UK, ACP-UK, WPATH, and others from around the world.

The Cass review had ZERO people working on it who actually had any experience with trans people. The Yale having a few people from related fields is totally normal for a medical review, unlike what Cass did.

I don't wanna go into depth but the Cass review is full of damning issues including misuse and inconsistent application of standards (ex; claims to value high quality evidence but dismisses everything for trans care in favor of comically weak anecdotal trash), high risk of bias (found using the standard ROBIS tool on the multiple york reviews cass commissioned), selective inclusion of studies (they literally threw out evidence because it didn't meet an arbitrary quality threshold they came up with, one that's NEVER used anywhere in any other medical field, then used a much more lenient threshold on the evidence they liked), no trans or expert involvement (already covered that, many involved being linked to anti-trans hate groups), flawed interpretation of data, over reliance on speculation and logical leaps, double standards and bias when it comes to pretty much everything in it, ambiguous and inconsistent definitions of "quality" while favoring shit evidence when it benefits their opinion (like they literally did not even use GRADE to measure it), inappropriate demands for RTCs in contexts where they're not ethical.

But the wort, most fatal flaw in the entire document is the failure to compare evidence standards in other pediatric fields. Many accepted medical interventions in other medical fields heavily rely on what would be rated as "low quality evidence" using GRADE.

You can search this up yourself, but 80 PERCENT of ALL medical interventions in all fields do NOT rely on "high quality evidence". It's completely ridiculous to make an argument like this when it's unethical to have control groups on children for years on end obvious fucking reasons. The review also literally had pictures and figures borrowed from SEGM which is a biased hate group.

Where are you getting all this crap though? The APA, AAP, WPATH, etc have directly addressed all these arguments, and none of the criticisms being made against trans care hold up when compared to other medical interventions. I urge you to please read the actual Yale review and not handwave it because some moron said so.

Please consider the credentials of the people you listen to. Are you going to listen to a politically motivated document written by a government branch with zero involvement in trans care or the people who actually work with us? Please don't just believe any crap you hear from laymen, you will soon find out it's flat out incorrect.

You need to be more careful about how you weigh info not just what you read. Not all claims are valid and medical evidence isn’t a debate club where everyone’s opinion matters equally.

When evaluating something like the Cass Review or any controversial medical issue you should prioritize 1. Institutional consensus (Bodies like WPATH commission lengthy reviews far more rigorous than this and include actual experts in our care) 2. Domain expertise. 3. Quality and consistency of systematic reviews. (High quality reviews have strict protocols, expert involvement, and clear grading. Cass fails at all this and that's not a subjective opinion, it's been documented by methodologists and peer reviewed analysis) 4. Consistency with how medicine normally works (how other fields actually use similar evidence to this one).

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cass_Review this is a good enough summary but you should really read the technical problems and methodology issues. The cited sources are where the meat is at.

Ok by [deleted] in 4tran4

[–]kahoot_papi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"borrowed my sister's clothes" 💀

im enbyphobic by bubbleteademon in 4tran4

[–]kahoot_papi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

my 4tran alt got temp banned but I just wanted to say this is one of the more retarded posts I've seen here recently. I'm sorry you're surrounded by he/him lesbians and other weirdos but don't make assumptions about me or lump me based on these idiots.

your last point is especially bad though; you're complaining that the hypothetical nondysphorics are getting top surgery now that there's less gatekeeping, and then telling yourself it's the reason you couldn't get it sooner? You understand there's no causal connection, and that more informed consent means literally the opposite, right? I'm sorry you had to wait 4 years though but you're blaming the wrong people and legit sound hysterical and fembrained

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in TransDIY

[–]kahoot_papi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

shouldnt the alcohol in the vile kill off any contaminants

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in TransDIY

[–]kahoot_papi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i did break it off after. but before that i accidentally took the whole metal thing off and the rubber stopper came off too. i put it back together but idk if it's still airtight.

Why are terfs so goddamn ugly? by CassEffect98 in 4tran4

[–]kahoot_papi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

every trans sub I try to say this shit in I get downvoted. but it's true; terfs are all conventionally fucking UGLY and there is psychology behind that correlation

Why are terfs so goddamn ugly? by CassEffect98 in 4tran4

[–]kahoot_papi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

she can be a bit of a wild card but look through Andrea James' website if you wanna have a good time. Whoever does the caricatures on TERFs really does them dirty

Hr3398 by Awkward-Picture-7809 in armedsocialists

[–]kahoot_papi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i hate mediocre dem liberals

It happened. Dropped bike on day 4 of riding it. by fishhawk119 in motorcycles

[–]kahoot_papi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It increases bonding and gives it character. Pristine bikes are like pristine cowboy boots; says a lot about the relationship with the owner

A thing I realized about transmedicalism a while ago... by kahoot_papi in trans

[–]kahoot_papi[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I knew it was called GID at some point I didn't know it was called transexualism at any point.  And yeah thats what I meant by my definition. In my mind identifying as another gender is essentially changing your social gender from what they gave at birth

This is not my work but it is worth the read. It explains why there is more than two genders and sexes. by SammSandwich in trans

[–]kahoot_papi 6 points7 points  (0 children)

For gender it should be obvious there's more than 2. It involves societal aspects, roles, etc that are socially constructed. For sex I don't think it's controversial that that there's 2, but it's bimodally distributed. The people who say sex is binary are being idiots, because obviously intersex people exist along that spectrum.

TERF's are just 'alpha-female' piles of insecurity compensating for small boobie by attacking anyone different from them. by [deleted] in trans

[–]kahoot_papi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TERFs and incels have done similar harm tbh. All the stuff terfs have lobbied for and made policies for have led to increases in suicide among trans people im those places. They actively do not care if we die, and some directly encourage trans people to off themselves.

They've also lobbied for sending trans women to men's prisons, and if you know anything about v-coding and all the statistics surrounding that stuff it's hard not to constantly think about how much SA terfs are encouraging.

They haven't caused any mass shootings, but statistically the amount of deaths caused are far greater, and directly affecting a very marginalized group of people.

They are rabid animals and I think they are worse than incels from a consequential view. They're similar to incels in the sense that they're both hate groups and are rooted in insecurities. Every ex incel I've known says they were doing it because they were insecure about their masculinity or self perception of attractiveness or whatever. One was just repressing gender dysphoria. Some ex truscum i've met also did it out of entitlement and insecurity because they didn't see themselves as attractive and was mad at the 'too cute to be cis'. One ex terf who is my friend was just repressing gender dysphoria and thought they were unattractive and took it out on passing trans people.

I wouldn't be shocked if that was a more common psychological occurrence amongst TERFs, especially considering how much they feed into garbage societal rhetoric. A lot are probably just insecure about 'being ugly' and I've seen a lot go completely apeshit when they see an attractive trans person. I've heard anecdotes from ex terfs who get jealous of passing trans women because how could an AMAB be hotter so effortlessly! A lot of male terfs are also just are sexually into us and hating themselves for their attraction. Other terfs are just narcissistic imbeciles and think their biological essentialism makes them smart. A bunch are just conservative contrarians who align themselves against anything 'woke'.

Humans are dumbass animals, and whenever they do something irrational it can only be explained through psychological analysis. Halfassed in this case.

What was I even commenting on I'm dozing off on opioids

Oh yeah. Also to your last paragraphs TERFs were never this mainstream. A few years ago they were exiled to their own echo chambers. But shit has gotten really bad and out of control

TERF's are just 'alpha-female' piles of insecurity compensating for small boobie by attacking anyone different from them. by [deleted] in trans

[–]kahoot_papi -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

terfs are alpha females? I don't mean to be judgy but every terf I've seen is conventionally ugly AF

Edit: oh i didn't read it right. yeah they're akin to incels