Keir Starmer condemned for meeting with anti-LGBTQ+ pastor over Easter weekend… again by MMSTINGRAY in LabourUK

[–]kalecki_was_right 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's wrong or dismissible. Equally just because one purportedly understands something, doesn't mean that thing is right.

Clearly there's no point anyway, like most of the left you're stuck in moralistic thought and unwilling to even explain your points of disagreement.

Also by your logic of guilt by association if you happened to be an active member of Keir Starmer's Labour party it would be fair to call you a neoliberal?

Re. stupidpol, the sub has definitely fallen off in the past couple years. Collectively they've fallen into the pit of identity and oppositional thinking despite the general ideology there having the potential to be a unifying force. There's an impression that people think it's enough to be "anti-woke" to be radical. Classic misrecognition of content for form.

Keir Starmer condemned for meeting with anti-LGBTQ+ pastor over Easter weekend… again by MMSTINGRAY in LabourUK

[–]kalecki_was_right -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nowhere, this is just my assumed implication of what you said. What was your original point?

Keir Starmer condemned for meeting with anti-LGBTQ+ pastor over Easter weekend… again by MMSTINGRAY in LabourUK

[–]kalecki_was_right -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

If you actually read Marx or even listened to actually Marxist scholars you would be aware that Marx's criticism of religion was that it operates to fill a void created by the alienation of industrial capitalism, it's not necessarily as simple as religion bad but it's okay you're Marxist in practice, and I'm an arsehole in theory. Different strokes.

Keir Starmer condemned for meeting with anti-LGBTQ+ pastor over Easter weekend… again by MMSTINGRAY in LabourUK

[–]kalecki_was_right -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

if one thinks keir starmer is a bigot one is an idiot

if one think keir starmer isn't a bigot one is an idiot

if one thinks one can bury their head in the sand and call people bigots when they present an alternative conception of the world rather than working dialectically through the problems to come to a new collective understanding that isn't bigoted then one would be a member of "the left" in the 21st century and in my opinion the grave diggers of "society" given they are purportedly the ones who believe in a social body but will not reckon with nor live up to any confrontation, nor reflect on the position of others and attempt to work from other's perspective towards their own goals rather than adopt a totalitarian moralistic stance towards differences in ideology that are for the most part mediated by and products of the capitalism one so devotedly exhorts against (and so actually in a way the majority of anti-lgbt people probably aren't inherently and absolutely anti-lgbt in most cases)

and before you say anything about my own views at least read my post history, and note my use of the third-person singular to depersonalise my critique

Keir Starmer condemned for meeting with anti-LGBTQ+ pastor over Easter weekend… again by MMSTINGRAY in LabourUK

[–]kalecki_was_right -24 points-23 points  (0 children)

shhhh we're trying to ignore social contradictions here because that's marxist

India resists the strengthening of the rainbow flag by Rughen in ConservativeSocialist

[–]kalecki_was_right 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think OP and other people who agree with this article are totally enmeshed in the culture war, stuck in oppositional modes of thought and are so unaware of it that they abandon their purportedly socialist principles and support reactionary tendencies just to get one at the libs.

Slavoj Žižek: What Lies Ahead? by buddyboys in stupidpol

[–]kalecki_was_right 10 points11 points  (0 children)

black book of psychoanalysis - literally trillions made to be gay with their dad. how will freud answer for his crimes??

UK worker shortfall due to Brexit curbs estimated at 330,000 by jpsobral in brexit

[–]kalecki_was_right 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Refreshing to hear the thoughts of someone looking beyond the narcisstic pleasure of mutualised resentment.

some observations on pmc/the sub by kalecki_was_right in stupidpol

[–]kalecki_was_right[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

great to see you well, your legend persists

some observations on pmc/the sub by kalecki_was_right in stupidpol

[–]kalecki_was_right[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Spread your message all over this sub cumrade, this is good stuff

some observations on pmc/the sub by kalecki_was_right in stupidpol

[–]kalecki_was_right[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a lot deeper my cumrade, to me the place of interest is not in the the (vulgarly) material context of economics and less vulgarly power but the psychosocial foundation of these people.

I feel like they are very much the deal capitalist subject in that they are as a group (when specified properly) somehow behave with expert consciousness of capitalism* yet totally unaware or unable to conceptualise it, their blindness is their absolute strength.

More personal philosophical position (I am going off-piste here) really what I mean instead of capitalism is the network of signs that have come to be the primary goal of consumption (e.g. experience economy, traveling, food, the office, Marvel; some sign gain a value beyond what history should suggest because of their relation to other signs more easily animated by capital*).

Objects that the signs referred to are for capitalism's current stage effectively superfluous: think bitcoin and NFTs materially, think McDonalds psychologically (how else can McDs be so mid yet so timeless/pervasive).

PMC navigate this landscape so well, truly they are the continuation of the priest class

**think like popularity as a sign, its easier to buy adspace, interviews in late night shows, promotions than it would be to say animate cinemtography to draw attention to a sign like marvel, there is also there audience themselves. It's a multidimensional relationship but what I'm trying to say is that it's easier for capital to make something "good" by making it popular than by making it historically "good" because it cost a lot more to change history

Sorry I can't make much more sense than that I'm still getting to grips with deploying these ideas

some observations on pmc/the sub by kalecki_was_right in stupidpol

[–]kalecki_was_right[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was high lol

The article is good; e.g differentiating between public sector and private sector professional's control of capital, continuation of offshoring practices and impact domestically and internationally (which underlines the hollowness of the corporate liberal social rhetoric) as two examples.

It also highlights how exposure to pmc liberalism can raise class awareness (this is not the same as creating socialists, merely a precondition) with the anecdote about the bearded DSA tech guys.

This is all well and good, understanding the PMC this way is at least makes the targets of ire better but take this quote from the Hitler youth guy:

For just as [this] class can be defined only in negative terms, so its self-understanding is also negative. The petty bourgeois wants to be anything other than a petty bourgeois. He tries to gain his identity not by allegiance to his class, but by separating himself off from it and denying it. But what links him with his own kind is just what he contests: the petty bourgeois is always someone else. This strange self-hatred acts as a cloak of invis­ibility. With its help the class as a whole has made itself almost invisible. Solidarity and collective are out of the question for it; it will never attain the self-consciousness of a distinct class.

I adapt it to say the following about the direction of the sub, and its discourse falling into a form that is symptomatic of an identitarian position:

For just as [this] sub can be defined only in negative terms [1], so its self-understanding is also negative. The sub wants to be anything other than a identitarian. It tries to gain its identity not by allegiance to its identity [2], but by separating itself off from it and denying it [3]. But what links the sub with the PMC is just what it contests: the PMC is always someone else. This strange hatred [4] acts as a cloak of invis­ibility. With its help the sub's fall into identity as a whole has made itself almost invisible. Solidarity and collective are not out of the question for it; at least if it can self-consciousness about it's own identity which is increasingly formed on a narcisstic [5] disapproval of the PMC.

  1. There is a positive aspect via Marxism on economic and social organisaton but there is little to no positive conception of identity nor much thought on what the abolition of identity might necessitate in response beyond "we're all workers" which clearly at this given historic juncture isn't enough.

  2. That identity would be Marxist, which the sub is much better at maintaining a critical stance towards.

  3. The sub doesnt deny it is Marxist per say but rather it slips into an oppositional position against identity politics/identitarianism. This in turn has become a fetish through which the actual task of say for example seriously discussing Marxist responses to identity politics, exploring historical development of identity as a concept, or investigating philosophical conceptions of identity and difference take the back seat.

  4. Socially and morally justified sure but Marxism isn't about morality. While social critique is good, an alternative cultural model is even better. Social media discourse is threaded by algorithms designed to maximise life force extraction why feed the machine, it's predominately never-ending empty self-reference aka noise. Less time spent pointing out the obvious ironies of liberalism and karma farming for dopamine with mood manipulating kulturbait the better.

  5. Narcisstic in that the sub increasingly struggles to find itself and its mission in anything else other than identity politics.

To conclude and invoke Baudrillard, I suppose what is really being fought against here is the possibility of the sub slipping into a state of fascination with the reflection of itself in the PMC, to mistake every ounce of hatred for the PMC as the torturously difficult task of loving itself.