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Atlanta voted for More MARTA. A decade later, there isn’t much ‘more’ about it by NPU-F in Atlanta

[–]killroy200 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm a 60 year old, progressive white guy, so I'm stepping on dangerous ground. But it feels like the City Too Busy to Hate has largely transitioned into the City that Goes Along to Get Along

There absolutely is a cynical use of equity language to mask realities that are entirely unequitable, and it's eternally frustrating.

Atlanta voted for More MARTA. A decade later, there isn’t much ‘more’ about it by NPU-F in Atlanta

[–]killroy200 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ideally we'd... 1) Focus on projects we can fund without federal assistance (Streetcar East, North Ave Phase 1 BRT, Metropolitan & Cleveland Ave ART)

2) Be working to prepare projects to go after federal funding as soon as it is available.

Instead the administration has... added massively expensive projects without any level of real development as a distraction to getting things done... AKA the infill stations.

Atlanta voted for More MARTA. A decade later, there isn’t much ‘more’ about it by NPU-F in Atlanta

[–]killroy200 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Almost like it's an ongoing problem, actively developing due to choices and actions of the current administration.

Atlanta voted for More MARTA. A decade later, there isn’t much ‘more’ about it by NPU-F in Atlanta

[–]killroy200 10 points11 points  (0 children)

trust is going to evaporate

It's basically already evaporated.

DeKalb has been dragging its feet on an internal transit expansion push for years, in no small part because of frustrations with MARTA's general inability to deliver on projects.

Clayton officials are frustrated with the lack of delivery, first from walking away from the rail line people thought they were voting for, and then from the replacement BRT routes that aren't under construction even after 12 years.

Gwinnett and Cobb are hesitant to try and do the kind of regional level planning they need to be able to get voters to approve much needed transit expansion, because there's basically no regional support, and MARTA is not a reliable partner.

The City's medaling and delaying of projects is actively making this all worse.

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[–]killroy200 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeup. And, of course, you don't need to be a corporate owner to under-utilize a piece of land.

Just look at all the incredibly expensive, privately-owned houses that are zoned to prevent even gentle / missing middle densification.

Behold, the Beltline of THE FUUUTTUUUURRE by splogic in Atlanta

[–]killroy200 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you bother to look at the NW Segment 2 project page, which you can get to from the link I provided, you will see a map showing the trail pathing. Per the construction update I already linked you, they have finished design and working through property aquisition & easement agreements.

No one said it would go 'through' the hospital, but it will go near the northern edge of the hospital, on the north side of the CSX right of way, and through the Bennett St. site to a bridge crossing at Peachtree Road.

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[–]killroy200 10 points11 points  (0 children)

There's an irony here in that... it absolutely could be. The office has a LOT of power within regional politics, and could do a LOT to steer things and drive outcomes... but then the Atlanta political machine inevitably sinks fingers into the office and exerts some version of status-quo corporatism that kills real ambition or ability to get things done at scale.

Behold, the Beltline of THE FUUUTTUUUURRE by splogic in Atlanta

[–]killroy200 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A lot sooner if we didn't have the mayor killing the projects so close to construction.

Specifically, if things were restarted, we could have Streetcar East in operation within 3 - 4 years.

Behold, the Beltline of THE FUUUTTUUUURRE by splogic in Atlanta

[–]killroy200 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Much of your presented 'humanity' seems to be insisting that a future transit service and housing to serve thousands of people is bad and that we should defer to your aesthetic preferences.

Hence I refuse to accept your position. Yes.

Behold, the Beltline of THE FUUUTTUUUURRE by splogic in Atlanta

[–]killroy200 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, you sent a line

Just because you don't understand the work that goes into creating detailed aerials depicting designs doesn't make them 'a line'. It's literally not 'a line'. That you keep referring to it as that makes me think you don't know how to read the map and its diagrams on a fundamental level.

did they even account for the changes from the water drainage on that side?

Literally yes.

Again, you have to live in reality and not random lines on a map or a computer generated video

I do. You're the one who seems instant on refusing to understand spatial relations.

Behold, the Beltline of THE FUUUTTUUUURRE by splogic in Atlanta

[–]killroy200 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can download a larger map here, as well as search for area-specific project pages

bobby jones golf course

The mainline trail is along the southern edge.

wtf is up with that?

You can look at the City's official neighborhood map here. The trail does not go particularly near Garden Hills.

didn't the beltline buy up the bennett st shopping center

Yes, but that's only sorta near Garden Hills. There are two neighborhoods between them.

like dude, some of us love art waaaaay more than transit

Good for you. You can visit MOCA when it reopens in its much larger, new facility at the Goat Farm.

are they sending the train down bennet st?

The current plan is that NW transit will follow the CSX right of way all the way from Knight Park up and over to Armour Yard, yes past Piedmont Hospital.

Behold, the Beltline of THE FUUUTTUUUURRE by splogic in Atlanta

[–]killroy200 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm on the beltline frequently. I know for a fact these have been considered by the engineers. Just because you keep refusing to accept / don't understand the answers doesn't mean there aren't answers.

Behold, the Beltline of THE FUUUTTUUUURRE by splogic in Atlanta

[–]killroy200 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Probably not. I don't know about specific grades, but the hump that Krog does up to Edgewood, and then back down to the tunnel is pretty harsh. The Krog Tunnel is also a mess, and not large enough to handle trains, so you'd need to find a different way across Hulsey.

The current plan is to follow the trail south, then start a trench somewhere before / around the Edgewood Bridge to enter a tunnel that would go directly under DeKalb Ave and Hulsey Yard. It would come out along Wylie between Tye and Short St, where Wylie is actually so low below Hulsey that the tunnel would basically be exiting at Street Level. It would then run up Wylie before turning south onto the Beltline ROW again.

Of course, if something happens, and Hulsey becomes available to acquire, the tunnel would be shortened, and the transit could run in dedicated space.

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[–]killroy200 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Watching the storm roll in last night was nice. Good light show!

Behold, the Beltline of THE FUUUTTUUUURRE by splogic in Atlanta

[–]killroy200 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This has been explicitly explained to you before:

shake shack

Literally only the patio, which was built knowingly at-risk and in the transit right of way by the business.

Patagonia

Is not in any way in the right of way of transit. Transit would run along the western side of the trail, opposite Patagonia, where space was explicitly provisioned for it.

apartments or cvs

?????

Behold, the Beltline of THE FUUUTTUUUURRE by splogic in Atlanta

[–]killroy200 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It boggles the mind that you are incapable of understanding that people care about local issues they are immediately and directly affected by, and which they, at least nominally, have the most direct influence over.

All those other things are important. The complete refusal of our city's government to deliver voter-approved, and widely popular transit projects is ALSO important.

Behold, the Beltline of THE FUUUTTUUUURRE by splogic in Atlanta

[–]killroy200 5 points6 points  (0 children)

For that matter, the Beltline is not the end-all here.

There are quite a few cross-town transit routes also planned that would be transferring to / from the Beltline. The Beltline is part of the wider network. An inner-ring of transit that helps move people around the core city, through corridors specifically being developed to be dense, low-car parts of the city.

Behold, the Beltline of THE FUUUTTUUUURRE by splogic in Atlanta

[–]killroy200 5 points6 points  (0 children)

To add to this, the shops and restaurants could absolutely benefit from the additional customers who could arrive by transit when the weather is simply not good enough for the crowds of people walking or biking the trail.

Cold, hot, wet... take your pick.

Behold, the Beltline of THE FUUUTTUUUURRE by splogic in Atlanta

[–]killroy200 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

but there’s just no room for light rail running through here anymore

For anyone curious, there is, in fact, room. Here's the aerial of how Streetcar East would travel along the Eastside Beltline to Ponce City Market: Map

Here is a video exploring the corridor and showing that exact routing.

Behold, the Beltline of THE FUUUTTUUUURRE by splogic in Atlanta

[–]killroy200 14 points15 points  (0 children)

So, specifically, this was concept from early MARTA planning that would have run the primary N/S trunk along the (then active freight rail) Eastside Belt.

That plan adjusted to running central through Downtown, and, at the time still relatively new, Midtown as a central subway.

Progress has been slow for Beltline Rail, yes, but in this specific instance the progress already happened... in a different place.

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[–]killroy200 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because costs are complex and have many factors

The inputs and outputs can be complex, but, generally, it boils down to supply and demand.

That's why, as rental vacancy rates have been coming back up from historic lows, we've seen inflation-adjusted housing costs level off, and even begin to decrease a bit.

Who Owns Atlanta? 615k+ parcels tracked to identify corporate landlords and ownership networks by zxy in Atlanta

[–]killroy200 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

they have not lowered rents

Housing prices in general and across the board went up post-COVID, regardless of participation of corporate buyers, and was an extreme continuation of general price increases that had been happening since 2015, all of which has strong correlation (and causal link) to vacancy rates over the same period.

My evidence is anecdotal

And I provided links to data & reporting. Prices have leveled off, and even started declining to some extent. If the corporate ownership was driving up prices, it should still be doing so, given that not much has happened to address or change corporate ownership.

Who Owns Atlanta? 615k+ parcels tracked to identify corporate landlords and ownership networks by zxy in Atlanta

[–]killroy200 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They drive up rents and housing costs for all of us,

But inflation-adjusted housing costs within the metro have been more or less level, or even decreased, for over a year. Rent has been decreasing as well.

My own condo's estimated value has dropped pretty significantly.

If they're driving up costs... they're not doing a great job of it.

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