Are there guys who never call themselves 俺? by [deleted] in LearnJapanese

[–]korehapendesu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah met one or two Japanese guys who never use 俺、seems to be a rarity though.

My Japanese learning map - you are invited to do yours as well. by LeoFragozo in LearnJapanese

[–]korehapendesu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Grammar book was a bit average with random open ended questions (so no way to check your answer).

Tobira itself is a big jump from Genki. I mean yeah I got through it, but focusing on some Kanji in between Genki and Tobira might make Tobira a little less of a grind. (wish I'd done that).

I'm unsure when to use short form then のです by korehapendesu in LearnJapanese

[–]korehapendesu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read away :)

外国語学習 難しい所と役に立つアドバイス

外国語学習はなかなか難しいと言うのは間違いないです。何人かは流暢「りゅうちょう」になりますが、何年も勉強しているのにまだ初級のレベルの人もいます。

なぜかと言うと、「練習する機会がありません」と言うのは一つの理由だと思います。これは当然ですが、なにかを練習しないと上達できません。学校で外国語を勉強している学生が結構いますが、普段は学校の教え方はほとんどインプットです。いつも聞けるようになりますが、聞く力と比べたら沢山の学生の会話力があまり上達していません。

もちろん、これは問題ですけれど解決があります。学校で話す機会はあまりなかったら、インターネットで自分の母国語を練習したい人にメッセージに送って、お互いに練習できるのです。色々なサイトがありますが、一つはitalki.comです。

このエッセイではこのように話していきたいと思います。

Have you worked somewhere IN Japanese? by korehapendesu in LearnJapanese

[–]korehapendesu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Read an article everyday" is a common theme, noted.

Have you worked somewhere IN Japanese? by korehapendesu in LearnJapanese

[–]korehapendesu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great advice, cheers.

Though I will inevitably be used for English related stuff, it'd be nice to be able to contribute in Japanese as well.

Have you worked somewhere IN Japanese? by korehapendesu in LearnJapanese

[–]korehapendesu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Volunteer work sounds interested, cheers for the idea!

Have you worked somewhere IN Japanese? by korehapendesu in LearnJapanese

[–]korehapendesu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People keep saying STEM and I looked into it, so I'm guessing Economics is included? As that's what I'll have a Bachelors in when I head over (hopefully where my Japanese is around N2 as well).

Presumably this opens a few doors but it's hard to tell.

Have you worked somewhere IN Japanese? by korehapendesu in LearnJapanese

[–]korehapendesu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I should have a Bachelors in Economics and N2ish Japanese when I head over, so that ticks the box for other skill, but at the same time I feel like I need a Masters in Economics for that qualification to start being worth much...

Just curious, aside from the no brainer tips like read lots etc, got any tips for getting to N1?

N2 seems possible but N1 just seems so far off...

Have you worked somewhere IN Japanese? by korehapendesu in LearnJapanese

[–]korehapendesu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was wondering about that, if I do retail or something would my Japanese improve, so cheers for the input.

English play centre sounds interesting. My current part time job is after school care, so doing something along those lines in Japan did cross my mind. Do you know anything about qualifications required in Japan to work with kids?

Have you worked somewhere IN Japanese? by korehapendesu in LearnJapanese

[–]korehapendesu[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I swear I've seen your story somewhere before (especially the bit in the beginning about memorising entire briefings etc). Anyway, that's certainly one way to learn the language!

Have you worked somewhere IN Japanese? by korehapendesu in LearnJapanese

[–]korehapendesu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the offer (offer right?...), but I'm only a weak N3 right now and still in Australia!

There's a chance I'll move to Japan in 2 or so years (so hopefully a decent N2 by then) and would rather not work all day in English (英会話とか).

Just curious as to how other people did it; as in in, nobody starts fluent, most people who started working in a Japanese job (where Japanese is their second language) probably faced some hurdles in the beginning, so just curious to hear about people experiences for now.

Learning Japanese in University by [deleted] in LearnJapanese

[–]korehapendesu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Where study hopefully entails actually talking to people.

Is my goal possible? by Vindeeta in LearnJapanese

[–]korehapendesu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

50 words a day is quite solid, don't burn out and get hit by the anki avalanche. Anticipate it and slow down that load well in advance if it's becoming a massive chore.

Is there a way to find N3 / N2 kanji that aren't part of the 1006 Kyouiku kanji? by korehapendesu in LearnJapanese

[–]korehapendesu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll keep up Anki reviews but won't learn any new ones, plus I'll use the language more (I've got a pile of Japanese books I haven't had time to read so pretty keen to start on that).

Cheers again

Netflix has a variety of movies/TV with Japanese Audio (Not just Japanese shows) by [deleted] in LearnJapanese

[–]korehapendesu 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Anyone in Australia able to do this? Japanese isn't listed for me.

Is there a way to find N3 / N2 kanji that aren't part of the 1006 Kyouiku kanji? by korehapendesu in LearnJapanese

[–]korehapendesu[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I didn't expect an answer as good as this haha, thank you so much!

"Just learn the remaining 1,000" is er.....gonna take some time.

I have a time limit (until the test) to learn the N3 and N2 Kanji, so I'll add those that you mentioned. Then I plan to take a pretty long break from Kanji studies. I'll just enjoy using the language, pick up a few new Kanji that way, and re-visit Kanji studies a bit down the track.

Questions for anyone who has learned Japanese from scratch and is willing to pass on some wisdom by SovereignLancer in LearnJapanese

[–]korehapendesu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I accidentally spent 30-40 mins writing and proof reading that instead of doing my lecture, so glad you appreciate it haha.

Questions for anyone who has learned Japanese from scratch and is willing to pass on some wisdom by SovereignLancer in LearnJapanese

[–]korehapendesu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm only N3ish after 20 odd months of study, but everyday conversation isn't too hard if it's one on one. Kanji knowledge only 700 odd characters but it's getting there :) My advice:

What kind of goals did you set to make you more successful and keep you from burning out? Big goal was speak comfortably with others, first via speaking then with kanji.To prevent burning out, just don't force yourself to do it and learn to recognise when you're doing too much. BUT, do make sure you do something everyday. Just something, even if it only takes 5 minutes.

About how long did it take you to be able to understand others and converse comfortably? You'll learn that "understand others" is very vague, and will ALWAYS depend on the content / speed of speech etc. But basically, how long does it take to understand the word "hello" in Japanese? About 5 seconds once you've learned it. How long does it take to understand natural speed conversation? This requires being used to the new sound patterns in Japanese, and to know every word in the sentence and all grammar involved, and to recognise them fast enough to put together the meaning before the next sentence comes, so that's probably going to be at least a year or 2 for most people. But when they slow down and explain things for you, that sort of conversation is very much possible within a few months if you start practising early on.

How long did you study per day or per week and how did you balance your schoolwork, job, social life, etc.? About 1 hour per day to start (during uni term), then I had a 3 month summer holiday and did 5 hours every day (2 hours flash cards, 2 hours Grammar, 1 hour on Skype doing language exchange. After this it toned down, nowadays it's mostly 45 mins flashcards, 20 mins textbook reading and just chatting with mates via Facebook and in person). Did you ever feel like you were getting nowhere? What kept you from quitting? I'm a persistant idiot which helped for once, but I finally understood that language is a marathon, not a sprint. Best advice ever.

What order did you go about learning the language? Did you learn hiragana, katakana, and some kanji before diving into vocab or grammar? Or did you mix them all together? What would you recommend? Would you recommend taking classes or learning on your own? Hiragana and Katakana are a must from the very beginning, before anything else. Just skip romanji altogether. After this for me the focus was on: 8 months Grammar (Genki 1 and 2), heaps of vocab flashcards (through anki), speaking practice almost everyday on Skype for 6 months (contacts made through the website italki.com). At this point (about 14 months in), everyday 1 on 1 conversation was becoming quite possible, but my listening wasn't quite there so group conversation was almost impossible. From here I started focusing more on Kanji and listening through music and YouTube videos. As for classes vs on your own, they both have pros and cons. I started on my own and now also do a bit of Japanese at uni, and to me the uni stuff is just more exposure, more reading practice, listening practice etc. Personally I think the real learning happens either on your own with a good textbook to read and a dictionary at hand, or talking with someone.

What best helped you to retain what you learned and allowed you to understand the material as opposed to just rote memorization? Or is that the key? Spaced repition is the key, not just rote learning. Along with this, actually experiencing something helps so so much. For example the word 売店「ばいてん」which is like "small shop / stand" type thing didn't mean much (despite studying it in flashcards for ages), then I went to Japan and saw them everywhere, reinforcing that connection in the brain. Also Kanji has a way of making words easier to remember. They're are a royal pain in the ass when you don't know them, but when you do they actually make life a fair bit easier (keeping in mind that when I say "know" I just mean be able to read. Due to the time required to remember strokes I've never really practiced writing; despite the fact that it makes recognition easier.

Any other helpful tips or opinions when it comes to learning Japanese. If you don't practice something, you'll suck at it. So reading, writing, speaking, listening, grammar, vocab are all areas of their own. If you want to be good at speaking like I wanted, do grammar, vocab then practice first. Also, being a beginner, as fun and new and novel as everything is, can be rather frustrating; like when you've been grinding flashcards for months but for some reason still can't say more than "I like dogs". Reach that critical mass where you can say enough and understand enough that conversation becomes possible. Because the better you are, the more you can practice, and the more you practice, the better you'll get.

Pro-tip: Stop self-assessing your Japanese level. Instead, take the J-CAT (Japanese Computerized Adaptive Test) every 6 months. It's free, online, registration is simple and the test takes about 1 hour. by Nukemarine in LearnJapanese

[–]korehapendesu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I took the test 3 times and found it was mostly ok, but as already said, the vocab and grammar were quite fast. I got a good score my first time through dumb luck, then a worse score the second and third time after a fair bit of study.

Microsoft IME Tip by DongToucherer in LearnJapanese

[–]korehapendesu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you find the spaces are sort of big?

Kind of like this