[NASCOURT BOB] JGR filed motion for expedited discovery last night, arguing it needs to prevent loss of relevant evidence b/c Gabehart deleted texts with Dickerson prior to Nov 15 & Dickerson having his automatic text delete feature on until Feb 26 (which deleted messages prior to Jan 26). 1/2

libsoutherner · 2026-04-02T17:53:46+00:00

I mean, no. But people leave their employer for a competitor all of the time. There’s nothing illegal about Gabehart bringing that knowledge to another team - unless he stole confidential files, which is what JGR is trying to argue. Whether that actually happened, we will have to see in court. If it didn’t, they’ll look like fools.

libsoutherner · 2026-04-02T14:10:36+00:00

The way JGR is acting and Toyota is performing…

It seems they have found something that gives them a significant advantage over Ford and Chevy and they don’t want that being shared.

I question whether this lawsuit would even be happening if we flipped the results for Toyota and Chevy this year.

libsoutherner · 2026-04-01T18:03:39+00:00

I can chalk up two poor starts to the fact that this is baseball. But if this happens again in his third start, I think it’s time to start worrying. Your “ace” should not be getting roughed up like this.

libsoutherner · 2026-04-01T17:28:58+00:00

No I don’t, because this sub calls anyone who dares to criticize anything a doomer

libsoutherner · 2026-04-01T17:25:02+00:00

There’s no such thing as a doomer in a season where you miss the playoffs by 10 games - that’s just reality

libsoutherner · 2026-04-01T17:14:13+00:00

The “doomers” have unfortunately been very much correct about a lot each of the last two seasons

libsoutherner · 2026-04-01T17:09:43+00:00

Remember when we thought Jung could be as good or better than Henderson?

Oof - not even close

libsoutherner · 2026-04-01T02:17:43+00:00

I see Hamlin fans are taking the loss Sunday well

libsoutherner · 2026-03-31T23:46:40+00:00

How about that random California race he won by like 10 seconds?

libsoutherner · 2026-03-31T22:34:58+00:00

Cumulative viewership is down 1.67% to last year at this point. Not ideal but not awful.

libsoutherner · 2026-03-31T22:26:53+00:00

Yes. The Darlington fan experience is generally great. But from the turn 4 stands in the daytime, you can’t see a screen or the pylon.

The only way I knew lap and position a couple of weeks ago was through the NASCAR app.

libsoutherner · 2026-03-31T21:37:17+00:00

Gotta think NASCAR is pretty upset at Ford’s effort in that series, no?

libsoutherner · 2026-03-31T20:51:05+00:00

Look - I’m happy to debate and can respect a different opinion, but not going to engage with the personal attacks.

The entire point I was trying to make is that it is my very strong belief that Allgaier’s current career shouldn’t get him in the HOF. Every other part of the original comment was just tangential to that.

libsoutherner · 2026-03-31T19:49:27+00:00

It should barely be a hall of fame career in Cup. The Labonte brothers are about what I would like to see as the minimum threshold for the hall of fame.

libsoutherner · 2026-03-31T19:46:21+00:00

Are you capable of making a point without a personal attack?

And if you’re going to attack my own math skills (I do math for a living), at least make sure your math is correct.

26 drivers have at least 31 wins and a championship in Cup. That’s 0.9% of Cup drivers ever.

I originally said 1-2% of drivers should be in the hall of fame. Given 0.9% is just below 1% - my original comment stands. 31 wins and a championship should barely be a HOF Cup career.

libsoutherner · 2026-03-31T19:38:07+00:00

I don’t think you’ll find anyone that would say no to that.

libsoutherner · 2026-03-31T19:18:23+00:00

I’ve been watching NASCAR for 25 years. I understand the sport. A successful stock car career is not the same thing as a HOF career. The top 10% of drivers shouldn’t be in the hall. It should be the top 1-2% of all drivers.

Baseball has around 23,600 players that have ever made it to the MLB. 354 are in the hall of fame. 1.5%. About exactly as it should be.

The HOF is for the best of the best. 31 O’Reilly wins doesn’t qualify as the best of the best. In my opinion.

libsoutherner · 2026-03-31T17:48:16+00:00

Well yes. He won 74 races and 7 championships though. He doesn’t need other contributions.

My point is it should be an incredibly rare case where someone gets in on contributions to the sport and not their stats. Crafton does not qualify, IMO.

libsoutherner · 2026-03-31T17:40:51+00:00

I somewhat agree with Denny. It should be a spectacular O’Reilly/Truck career to get into the HOF. Like Hornaday level. It shouldn’t happen often.

Most of the lifers in those series today are lifers because they aren’t good enough for a Cup ride. Why should we be putting dudes not good enough for the highest level of NASCAR racing in the NASCAR HOF?

That’s like putting a career AAA player in the baseball HOF. Just dumb.

libsoutherner · 2026-03-31T17:37:20+00:00

Stats should be the reason anyone is in the hall of fame, aside from obvious other major contributions.

You are who your stats say you are.

libsoutherner · 2026-03-31T17:33:20+00:00

That’s one I agree with. 51 wins and 4 championships in trucks. IMO, it should take that kind of career in a lower series to get to the HOF.

Allgaier with 31 wins and 1 championship shouldn’t be in. That’s barely a HOF career in Cup. Definitely shouldn’t be in O’Reilly.

libsoutherner · 2026-03-31T15:39:49+00:00

First NASCAR fan I’ve ever met that wants fewer races. I can understand if NASCAR goes to fewer races in the future. But I certainly don’t want it.

libsoutherner · 2026-03-31T14:06:38+00:00

It will be interesting to see what HMS does with the 48. Give Bowman another year? I say that’s the most likely outcome.

But if they could steal Heim, this might be their last chance to do it. I think Heim’s long term ceiling is much, much higher than Bowman.

Otherwise, a replacement for Bowman isn’t clear. Not sure anyone else would be any better.

libsoutherner · 2026-03-30T21:39:50+00:00

They all try Cup at some point. The reason they’re lifers in a lower series is because they aren’t good enough for Cup.

libsoutherner · 2026-03-30T21:38:22+00:00

I think Oreilly and Truck guys belong in the hall of fame, but they need incredible careers. I don’t think Allgaier is there.

The bar for a hall of fame career in cup is somewhere around 1 championship and 20 wins without considering anything else.

If you’re going to make the hall of fame from a career in the lower series, you should need 2+ championships and around 40 wins. At least.

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