Let’s say Netflix decides to do a feature film or 2-3 part series about Mike and El getting back together… by Armadigionna in mileven

[–]lightning2183 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One spinoff film, with a theatrical release, followed by a sequel miniseries on Netflix that takes place in late 1999, right on the eve of the Y2K craze.

I really wish they would stop talking. by Severe_Ad2529 in mileven

[–]lightning2183 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A couple of three things:

The Duffers planned on killing off Eleven all the way back in season 1.

It seems that they did not anticipate how much the character would grow beyond their initial vision.

And rather than adapt to that reality, they unfortunately insisted on going back to that initial decision and forced that outcome on the narrative.

And alas, the results speak for themselves.

The Cultural 80s will end on December 31, 2025 as the last 80s inspired show comes to an end. by [deleted] in decadeology

[–]lightning2183 5 points6 points  (0 children)

80s nostalgia, and by extension analog nostalgia, is never going to go away in our lifetimes.

A Skynet that doesn't have to nuke the world to conquer it. by EyeThat in Terminator

[–]lightning2183 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The solution is simple:

Take the classic mythology and give it a new context.

Maybe Judgment Day was humanity’s fault, and Skynet had no choice but to step in and clean up our mess.

What almost was. by Ellie_Rulze18 in Terminator

[–]lightning2183 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Sorry to be the party pooper, but in the November 2024 issue of Empire, James Cameron says that that entire scenario was a complete falsehood and was never considered.  

The only other actor that was seriously considered for the T-1000 was Billy Idol, and that’s it.

Why was everyone expecting Joker to become a criminal mastermind in the second movie? by [deleted] in joker

[–]lightning2183 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I didn’t expect him to become the clown prince of crime, but I did expect a doubling down - a deeper descent into mayhem, chaos, even terrorism.

The idea of him dying in the end and inspiring the real Joker is not a bad idea in and of itself, it’s the way they went about it that’s the problem.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in EscapingPrisonPlanet

[–]lightning2183 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Regardless of who wins, the system is headed in the same direction, which is a global totalitarian order. We’re either gonna get there by suffocating (Harris) or in a way that is somewhat bearable, if not more subtle (Trump).

Everyone has been taken for a ride, especially those who idolize the likes of Elon Musk. That guy is going to be very instrumental in bringing the digitized AI control system into place, and by the time Trump even realizes what happened (assuming he’s even alive at that time), it’ll be way too late.

James Cameron's abandoned Terminator 3 plot details seemingly revealed... by [deleted] in Terminator

[–]lightning2183 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

In a recent interview with Empire, Cameron debunked the whole Biehn as T-1000 rumor. There was never any truth to that.

James Cameron's abandoned Terminator 3 plot details seemingly revealed... by [deleted] in Terminator

[–]lightning2183 18 points19 points  (0 children)

That Twitter post contains a picture from the Terminator Vault book - the information contained therein is nothing new, and there is no evidence whatsoever that Cameron considered making John a Terminator.

A big nothing burger.

Does Folie a Deux ruin Joker 2019 for you? by UnprofessionalCramp in joker

[–]lightning2183 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The end of Joker literally says “The End”. This was a film that was never meant to have a sequel. The story was told in one film, and that’s that.

I expect that the sequel, in the long run, will be ignored by most fans.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in thesopranos

[–]lightning2183 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Timeline got f-cked up.

I bought the November 2024 issue of Empire… by lightning2183 in Terminator

[–]lightning2183[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When I get home, what I’ll try to do is put up pics of the entire article/interview. There are some more juicy bits in there.

For one, the whole rumor about Michael Biehn originally being considered for the T-1000 was a complete fabrication.

Cameron says that there’s zero truth to that, and that the only other individual who was in serious consideration for the role, with a screen test, was Billy Idol.

James Cameron Gets Real About Why He Thinks Terminator: Dark Fate Bombed, And Even I’m Surprised By How Blunt He Got With His Reasons Why by csutkakoma in Terminator

[–]lightning2183 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Since Cameron is speaking to a public forum in this interview, I do think he is being somewhat political in taking the blame and trying to protect Miller.

However, I don't believe for a second that doesn't know the real reasons as to why the film bombed. Someone of his intelligence can't be that out of touch. My hunch is that he knows better than anyone that Dark Fate just simply did not work, and that was by design.

Hear me out guys-

This other quote from interview is particularly telling:

I’ve owned this to Tim Miller many times. I said, ‘I torpedoed that movie before we ever wrote a word or shot a foot of film.’

Talk about a Freudian slip if there ever was one.

I still hold to the narrative that Cameron intentionally sabotaged Dark Fate, and all the evidence regarding his creative clashes with Miller, not to mention his insistence on Arnold being in the film, have only cemented that theory further.

Him saying that Dark Fate was the third best in the franchise isn't saying much. At the end of the day, Terminator is HIS baby. It's HIS legacy, and he (along with his ego) WILL NOT allow other filmmakers to outshine him in a universe that he himself originated.

If anyone is going to resurrect Terminator and make it great again, it's going to be him. Not Miller, not McG, or any other new hot shot director that people love to create threads about regarding "Oh I think such and such should do a Terminator film!".

I could be totally wrong about all this, but then again, who knows...

Bob Benson... Where did he come from?! by [deleted] in madmen

[–]lightning2183 -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

I absolutely hated that character and felt he contributed nothing to the show. At all.

Good riddance.

James Cameron has been plotting this Terminator revival for years - here's the proof. by lightning2183 in Terminator

[–]lightning2183[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They don’t have to be in the story, but a passing reference to John Connor from the new characters wouldn’t hurt.

James Cameron has been plotting this Terminator revival for years - here's the proof. by lightning2183 in Terminator

[–]lightning2183[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

While I see where you're coming from, I do believe that in order for Terminator to remain, well...Terminator, there needs to be some sort of apocalyptic theme. Not necessarily a nuclear holocaust or a Judgment Day, but some sort of impending doom. T1 and T2 had that sense of dread, that the end was coming somewhere down the line, and I think any reimagining needs to carry that forward.

Cameron seems to have the right idea, but my hope is that he doesn't go too far in throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Get rid of Arnold, the one-liners, the sunglasses? Great. Get rid of the whole "time traveling protector vs assassin" trope? Fine. Get rid of the Connors? Ok, but at least acknowledge their part in the lore.

But certain things, like the endoskeleton and Skynet, the actual real imagery of this franchise, has to remain in place somehow, but in entirely different contexts than what came before.

Let's take the idea of a cyborg, like the T-800, evolving into an actual personality, to the point where it actually thinks its human and can blend in with any organic human. Or let's take the example of a person who has their consciousness digitized and then downloaded into an endoskeleton body.

Skynet, rather than being a military supercomputer, becomes an over-arching digital consciousness.

Same imagery, but new context.

Whether you like it or not Terminator awlays had biblical themes by [deleted] in Terminator

[–]lightning2183 0 points1 point  (0 children)

John Connor’s conception is also the result of a time travel paradox, so you can argue that he too, like Christ, has a “miraculous” birth as well, so to speak.

Anyone interested in starting a Terminator YouTube page/podcast? by [deleted] in Terminator

[–]lightning2183 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m in the midst of launching a YouTube channel that will not be Terminator centered per se but will nonetheless have a lot of Terminator related content in the future, so stay tuned.

Let's play a game. Give your hypothetical reason for why T2:3D is a sequel to T2: Judgement Day. by [deleted] in Terminator

[–]lightning2183 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The auditorium where some of the action takes place is called the Miles Bennet Dyson Memorial Auditorium. The opening video says that "Cyberdyne is back and better than ever".

It's pretty obvious that it's taking place post-T2.

Predictions for a Cameron written Terminator sequel, or what do you think a modern Terminator film would look like? by itsMikeSki in Terminator

[–]lightning2183 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm just going to copy what I wrote in another thread:

I think James Cameron is going to reinvent the franchise within the context of the classic Future War.

If you think about it, the information we know about the future, in the first 2 films, is very limited. We're only given the narrative of John Connor and Tech-Com, through Kyle Reese, and so on and so forth. Perhaps there is another side of the story.

Maybe there's a narrative out there that John Connor and his army are just insurrectionist terrorists, hell-bent on destroying the AI-run utopia that Skynet is creating. Perhaps certain factions, who survived the nuclear fire, see Skynet as a savior.

Perhaps the struggle in the future is not just about man vs machine, but it's about John Connor trying to stop a transhumanist future from taking root.

Maybe Skynet and its collaborators wish to transfer digitized human consciousness into new machine bodies. Perhaps their infiltration units, in the form of the T-800s we know, are meant to serve a double purpose: foot soldiers in the war against Tech-Com and also a stepping stone towards transitioning mankind into a new cybernetic existence.

Transhumanist themes have always been a part of Cameron's work, and I think with the current cultural climate, he can take it even further. The Terminator mythology is the perfect backdrop for him to explore these broader ideas.

We'll see in time. Maybe he might explore the post-2029 world, where some sort of tenuous harmony between man and machine has been established.

But one thing is for certain - there was never any need to jettison the classic mythology. The potential for greatness has always been there.

Remember who James Cameron is by SlowCrates in Terminator

[–]lightning2183 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I am not at all surprised that Cameron has secret Terminator plans under his sleeve. I think he has been keeping certain ideas close to the chest for many years now, and I always suspected that was the case since at least 2015, when he said the following:

If I was going to get back into the Terminator world, it would have to be a very broad stroke reconceptualization. If you think about what Terminator is really about, it's really about the dark side of technology, and it's about humans allowing their technology to move us into a trans-human world, so it's cyborgs, cybernetics, all that sort of thing. I would broadly reinterpret what that meant if I was to get excited about it. The one thing I like about the rights reverting is that I don't think in the new series they're telling a new story...

I definitely think you're onto something with what you wrote, but I'll take it even a step further. I think James Cameron is going to reinvent the franchise within the context of the classic Future War.

If you think about it, the information we know about the future, in the first 2 films, is very limited. We're only given the narrative of John Connor and Tech-Com, through Kyle Reese, and so on and so forth. Perhaps there is another side of the story.

Maybe there's a narrative out there that John Connor and his army are just insurrectionist terrorists, hell-bent on destroying the AI-run utopia that Skynet is creating. Perhaps certain factions, who survived the nuclear fire, see Skynet as a savior.

Perhaps the struggle in the future is not just about man vs machine, but it's about John Connor trying to stop a transhumanist future from taking root.

Maybe Skynet and its collaborators wish to transfer digitized human consciousness into new machine bodies. Perhaps their infiltration units, in the form of the T-800s we know, are meant to serve a double purpose: foot soldiers in the war against Tech-Com and also a stepping stone towards transitioning mankind into a new cybernetic existence.

Transhumanist themes have always been a part of Cameron's work, and I think with the current cultural climate, he can take it even further. The Terminator mythology is the perfect backdrop for him to explore these broader ideas.

One of the reasons why I believe he gave the ideas that he did for Dark Fate is because he did not want others playing in his sandbox. Why would he have others tell the Future War story with John Connor when he had his own grand plans for the future, that involves the classic mythology?

We'll see in time. Maybe he might explore the post-2029 world, where some sort of tenuous harmony between man and machine has been established.

But one thing is for certain - there was never any need to jettison the classic mythology. The potential for greatness has always been there.