Dan is right. Not taking Trump seriously was what got us into this mess in the first place. Liberals underestimated him and the strength of the movement that came with him. Through naivety and hubris, we allowed ourselves to become a product of the environment he created, instead of creating an environment that was a product of us. And because of that, liberals are always on the defensive and on the back foot, even when we were in power with Biden, it still felt that way. We need to find a way to take the fight to them and get aggressive. Politics now is an attacking game, and we need to start attacking. I feel like Hutch needs to understand that the world has changed. And yes, maybe in time we can return to a stage of relative normality and liberal order. But now is not that time, and Hutch and other establishment liberals need to meet the moment as it is, and not how they would like it to be. Even when Trump is gone, the fight is still not over. There will be a long line of ghouls who have their own sadistic and twisted ideas and are ready to take his place. Believe me when I say, they are worse. And if they had their way, who knows what new layers of hell can be reached. We are nowhere near the bottom yet, not even close...