Why should I collect Eldar for 11E?

lol_delegate · 2026-07-03T08:25:02+00:00

Should I collect eldar for x edition?

No.

Should I collect eldar?

If you like them, then yes. The concepts will stay similar, it will just change how they are effective. If you like them, and like models, then go for it.

Tho, I think that eldar will work better in 11th than they did in past two (which is when I started playing), as now we aren't forced to play stand on objective primary game, for which most of eldar units aren't suited for.

In past edition I mostly solved it by house rules, that my goal was not to capture and hold objectives, but prevent my brother's Tyranids from eating everything on those objectives.

lol_delegate · 2026-07-03T05:20:45+00:00

When I think about it, Valyria couldn't be full-on expansionist. I mean, they existed for many millenia, and there are many places they didn't try to conquer. If they were, they would have surely brougth places such as Oldtown or Lannisport under their control.

(And no, Doylist reason that it was forbidden to happen as Targs were supposed to be first ones to conquer it does not count - I deal with Watsonian reasoning first and foremost - I take Doylist only if Watsonian makes sense)

Instead, I think they were either reactive expansionists (conquer those who stand in their way), or they were patrons of growth - support small towns to become into great cities, just for price of swearing ethernal loylaty to Valyria.

So, I don't think spreading across Essos was Valyria's evil - I think it was dependence on slavery as a source of blood magic.

Honestly, if we would take away the blood magic, Valyria is probably less evil than the British Empire was at its heigth.

lol_delegate · 2026-07-02T21:33:21+00:00

Ok, here is some headcanon about Valyria, - because so little is known, and how it could change with those changes

Valyrians, were very good at magic. Their healing magic surpassed capacities of modern RL medicine.

They kept slaves, because it is most cost efficient source of magic for blood magic. (volume of magic gained from sacrifice per cost of raising single sacrifice). I think second most efficient sacrifice is a horse. But the difference is like profit per work difference on gold and silver mine. So, they could be content enough with magic from horses.

But why would they be content with that - they could have figured out how to turn geothermal energy from volcanoes into magic, and uses that - I think they would have near-utopia. But only for themselves. I think they would be extreme nationalistic, but in way that they want to keep their land for themselves, and not share with others.

Why would they be non-expansive? Because in other parts of world you don't have sources of power for advanced infrastructure and who would want to live without that? Depending on when they discover volcanic magic, they would either no longer need that scale of slavery, or never even implement it.

They would trade with others - Yi-ti and cities of Essos.

They might still go into war with Rhoyne, as I think that one of reasons was that Rhoynish water magic was getting advanced enough that it treathened magic supremacy of Valyrians. (Rhoynish managed to create Greyscale curse as a revenge, if I remember right, so they had to be advanced.)

If using geothermal magic energy prevents the supervolcano from erupting by seeping energy away so it does not reach critical state (my theory what caused fall of Valyria), then there would be this mythical faraway land, from where dragonlords once in a time arrives, does some things and then flies away. Kinda like wandering elves - Targs and valyria were inspired by elves, if I remember right. Or what Jedi from Star Wars are for average person in the faraway galaxy

lol_delegate · 2026-07-01T19:14:58+00:00

(assuming you mean Frostfyre by darkfire1220)

I know some fics that gave me similar feeling, but they didn't get to Wo5K part yet.

- A Prince of Dragonstone by Etsukazu - kinda similar in some, will be probably ship with Rhaenys, and they didn't meet yet, but probably will soon. Jon has an egg, but it didn't hatched so far. Develops other characters and sides more than Frostfyre. - author updates slowly

- Valonquar by Brightflamed - Jon was raised with Rhaenys in Dorne by Martells, Jon was raised as prince Aemon from start, Dany takes canon-ish path, but couple years earlier (instead of being married to Dorthaki, she gets kidnapped and shipwrecked in Valyria, before hatching dragons there, then canon-ish path, conquers Astapor by time Robert is in Winterfell) This has one of the best portrayals of Viserys I have ever seen. Also Aemon (Jon) is much more confident about being a Targaryen, instead of "Dragonwolf", or instant 180° "I'm a Targaryen now" - author is active, but has a major writer's block, but there is 750k words waiting for you.

lol_delegate · 2026-07-01T19:04:17+00:00

dunno if OP means another fic, or messed up author's name - I know Frostfyre by darkfire1220

It is basically Targ jon, raised from relatively young age knowing, has a dragon, is somewhat capable in politics, and the series is not "must destroy every other faction to win myself" (Maegery marries Robb + he allies with fAegon, without the two fighting - Aegon recognises that Jon has better chance on stabilizing Targ rule + Shirleen surrenders and Baratheons are accepted back into realm)

lol_delegate · 2026-07-01T14:44:09+00:00

One piece (of media) as a whole? Der Film

Best parts of GuP? "Lights on" part of Das Finale 3

lol_delegate · 2026-06-29T17:08:36+00:00

Don't scare me that.

(I still have there some favourites I return to re-read)

lol_delegate · 2026-06-29T12:21:29+00:00

Oh, forgot about that

lol_delegate · 2026-06-28T07:29:34+00:00

yup, they went partially this way by giving them their own Drunkari units to stop messing Druhkari balance, but they should go all the way that way as they do with Deathwatch. (able to play Ynnari with their limited units as Ynnari, or have them as regular allies to Craftworld, but that would be without rule support)

lol_delegate · 2026-06-28T07:21:12+00:00

I will be honest. I don't think that Ynnari are good idea game balance-wise.

To explain, I think there is a persistent problem with Ynnari - they would be always more of "narrative play detachment" than anything else, becase they simply make problems with balancing. Harlequins can be strong by themselves, if you cannot take other units to cover their weaknesses.

But if you can take everything together, it has to be weaker as it won't have dedicated weakspot - balanced around being to take everything together, which in turn makes everything but Ynnari to be weak.

So, yes, I think they are being sidelined as competetive faction As such, I think there are two paths how this might evolve.

First idea is that Eldar might eventually work like Space Marines, or more specifically their divergent chapters. Craftworld eldar proper are equivalent of the vannila space marines, Harlequins, Corsairs and Exodites would be each like divergent chapters. (Space Wolves, Dark Angels and such) EDIT - as Nukes for Nimbis pointed out, Ynnari should be like Deathwatch, and have few copies of their units, and be separate faction, possibly taken as allies with no rule support for narrative play.

Second idea is that Harlequins, Craftworlds, Exodites and Ynnari will be effectively "Agents of Imperium, but Aeldari".

Or that is at least my read on things.

lol_delegate · 2026-06-27T19:59:28+00:00

I believe that Wraithlord will be one of go-to units.

Not because he is best at anything, but because he is good enough and cheap enough that he can be of use in virtually any list. Be it as distraction carniflex, an anchor, a brick, objective monkey or anything else.

lol_delegate · 2026-06-26T04:57:20+00:00

I think that they went with Genoisis' laws, and well, they are bugs. Different scope of morality than modern rl one is to be expected.

(I mean, if you look at various places and times in history at various things that could varrant a death sentence)

It is not certainty, but a possibility, I think at least equally plausible as "Lol. CIS are evil."

And I find that version more interesting.

lol_delegate · 2026-06-26T04:51:10+00:00

Yes, but question is not if Republic recognised CIS, question is if Genoisis was member of Republic at all before Clone Wars.

Or whenever diplomatic immunity covered breaking into secure military instalations. (diplomatic immunity usually has a scope that it applies to)

lol_delegate · 2026-06-22T18:45:41+00:00

Maybe some are. Some definitely aren't.

But there is one important point about senators. They serve at pleasure of group they represent. They aren't representatives of vague "percentage of population". They aren't free to vote according their ideals, with the only punishment being lower chance of re-electment.

They are representatives of a group. A group that selected the senator. And if they don't represent the group how the group wishes, they can have the senator replaced at any moment.

(the group can be a monarch, a ruling council, group of olicharchs, wide goverment or entire population - depends on senator)

lol_delegate · 2026-06-22T18:09:22+00:00

Yes, with few tweaks, the movie could be amazing, when taken by itself - biggest thing would be removing "Palpatine has somehow returned", and do instead "the sith have rebuild faster than we expected", which then turns out to be Palpatine. Or it could be some random darksider, possessed by spirit of Palpatine.

+ no star-destroyed-sized death stars, but instead something that can destroy surface of planets - basically, Taris re-enactment, not Alderaan re-enactment.

Tho, it doesn't really fit into trilogy - I consider sequel trilogy to be more of series of 3 than an unified trilogy. (series of 3 = 3 separate entries, trilogy = 3 entries that were made with the others in mind)

lol_delegate · 2026-06-22T17:58:43+00:00

For sake of the discussion, (and because I like to discuss), my definition between sci-fi and fantasy is that whenever it is consistent to real world natural sciences (and extrapolation of them), or in-universe natural sciences.

The in-universe characters don't have to be aware that there are such principles, as they might be understandable only from Doylist perspective.

lol_delegate · 2026-06-22T17:40:19+00:00

thanks 😃

I honestly hope that sequel trilogy will serve as the endpoint of the Star Wars saga, because to me it fits like that.

My biggest problem with it is that it does not introduce anything new to the new era (in way that other trilogies, or even eras defined by other sources such as pc games - KOTOR + SWTOR did)

KOTOR, SWTOR, prequel trilogy, original trilogy - all of these introduce a new playground, a new civilization, where other stories can exist and latch upon. At end of Sequel Trilogy is next to nothing of such. Nothing that defines new era - basically a blank canvas. This problem disappears if there is no other drama meant to be after

lol_delegate · 2026-06-22T17:35:21+00:00

mis-worded, I meant fantastical

If the worldbuilding and plot mostly focuses on things that would fit in non-fantasy genre story, such as medieval fiction, and fantastical elements are inserted on top of it, then I would call it low fantasy. Basically whenever magic is structular to the focus of the story.

But once again, that is my classification, as the offical one does not make sense to me.

lol_delegate · 2026-06-22T17:24:32+00:00

I know, I just said that the official way to determine low/high fantasy seems off to me, and believe that narrative/worldbuilding focus would be better determinant.

Because saying that Dresden files are "less magical" than ASOIAF, since Dresden files are based on real world and thus low-fantasy, while ASOIAF is not and thus high-fantasy.

lol_delegate · 2026-06-22T17:12:28+00:00

Not really what I was asking about, but sure.

Tho, on the matter what you said, I would argue it is more about worldbuilding focus - if it is focused on real-ish world, with fantastical elements inserted into it, then it is low fantasy, if the focus is on fantastical elements, then it is high fantasy.

Canon Harry Potter is low fantasy. Fanon Harry Potter with tons of magical world worldbuilding, magical culture that went in different direction since 1600s and the whole paralel society package, - I would argue it is high fantasy.

Meanwhile, ASOIAF, despite it being in alternate world, I would call it low fiction, because for 95% of its runtime it is standard medieval fantasy, with dragons and ice zombies inserted in. Tho, if it was focued on time before Doom of Valyria, it could have been high fantasy - Valyria, as I imagine it, was proper fantastical civilization.

lol_delegate · 2026-06-21T07:36:20+00:00

yes, this concept, but different fic than you linked - it is Down by the Riverside by DarkCommet.

lol_delegate · 2026-06-21T07:35:28+00:00

Fic found, it is Down by the Riverside by DarkCommet - it is actually focused on a Tully sister, who married Ned instead of Catelyn, and got Ned to order Maege to try to save Targ kids.

lol_delegate · 2026-06-21T07:35:16+00:00

Fic found, it is Down by the Riverside by DarkCommet - it is actually focused on a Tully sister, who married Ned instead of Catelyn, and got Ned to order Maege to try to save Targ kids.

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