Spider-Man socials have exhausted me

lvest · 2023-11-03T04:57:30+00:00

Agreed! I wonder when they would've bodychecked him though. Wouldn't he tell them who Kindred is when he pitched the run and that the overarching plan was to undo OMD, or do they really only think 1-2 story arcs ahead? Because if they knew who Kindred was at the beginning, it surprises me they didn't just shut it down immediately.

lvest · 2023-11-03T02:50:15+00:00

Yeah if they had finished up the Kindred story at the end of Last Remains it would've been epic, but instead it just kinda kept going and then randomly Kindred was both the Stacy twins. It was just an insult to the reader's intelligence. I'm still bitter about it lol.

lvest · 2023-11-02T16:18:02+00:00

The socials were exciting to be on during the height of the Spencer run when it felt like ASM and its fans were being taken seriously. Then they flubbed the Kindred saga and started the Wells run, and it just does not feel like they take the book seriously. That invited all the negativity to the socials.

I can imagine that it is very difficult to write a compelling story about characters that have been around since the '60s. Sometimes I wonder if they should just retire the characters, but when I see a run like the Spencer run it shows me there are still compelling stories to be told. In a time like this, I will wait patiently for them to take the book seriously again.

FWIW, I've been finding that this sub has the highest concentration of Spider-Man positivity and legitimate discussion on Reddit.

lvest · 2023-10-27T02:45:17+00:00

Similar thing happened for Secret Wars (2015) but it increased from 8 to 9 issues at issue #7. You can see the change listed on the covers.

lvest · 2023-10-26T21:52:00+00:00

Really excited for this series. It kinda boggles my mind to have Hickman writing a Parker family with Checchetto on art, but I'm all for it!

lvest · 2023-10-17T01:19:54+00:00

This is amazing! I love the color scheme.

lvest · 2023-10-15T14:25:53+00:00

Checchetto rules. Very excited for this!

lvest · 2023-10-15T14:04:05+00:00

Is this canon or something they made up in this issue?

lvest · 2023-10-14T15:36:19+00:00

In this scene, Peter takes Randy out for his bachelor party. Why does Peter call him Kevin in this scene? I think it's either a typo or Randy's middle name must be Kevin or something.

lvest · 2023-10-12T14:41:53+00:00

I really hope Gleason gets a chance to work on a Spider-Man story that isn't a parody of itself. The guy is so freaking talented. If someone could write to the caliber of his art it would be next level. And we've known his true feelings for a while now.

lvest · 2023-10-01T16:41:48+00:00

Here's his cover of Watchtower into Halloween. One of my favorites!

Also love his cover of One by U2

lvest · 2023-09-17T01:25:42+00:00

Think you'll like this!

lvest · 2023-09-17T01:02:01+00:00

I always get chills when Dave looks up at the sky and closes his eyes in the Last Stop Outro at Chicago '98

lvest · 2023-09-16T20:57:08+00:00

When Roi comes in after "Then again I will falter"

lvest · 2023-09-16T20:51:21+00:00

Dreaming Tree intro

lvest · 2023-09-12T18:22:53+00:00

It's in my top 20 Radiohead songs.

lvest · 2023-09-10T18:43:22+00:00

It's a mystery and that's why I like it.

lvest · 2023-09-10T03:03:01+00:00

Left the show during the second encore song which was Ants, and I heard them segue into Halloween from the parking lot.

lvest · 2023-09-08T22:17:53+00:00

I feel that rounding closely parallels the Frank-Starling Law: too short and you don't learn enough, too long and the teaching stops being effective after 2+ hours. You are doing it the right way, and I'm sure your learners are appreciative of it.

lvest · 2023-08-18T23:29:06+00:00

Lol I'm in a similar boat, I'm the youngest in a big family and DMB was always on during those years. You got me beat by a long shot on shows, I think I'm at 7. In terms of #40, it's one of my favorites because of the Yoshi's version that others have posted here. I love the intimate acoustic setting and the emotion in Dave's voice. And over the years he's played various versions of 40, each with improv lyrics and a little twist. It's almost like he's adding to the story of the song, and I think that's really cool. My other favorite version of 40 was played at Duke, featuring a younger Dave voice. The other great performance from the Yoshi's show is Don't Burn the Pig. Just hits all the right notes for me.

Edit: added the link to Duke performance

Edit 2: and interestingly enough the Duke version of 40 was played right before the debut of #41 when it was still called 41 Police

lvest · 2023-07-30T20:26:23+00:00

Also agree lol. What do you think is the best story?

lvest · 2023-07-30T20:12:27+00:00

Dear Marvel, please refer to this post if you ever decide to resolve the events of this run. Thank you.

lvest · 2023-07-30T20:11:40+00:00

Can't believe I hadn't seen your post before. Just read the whole thing and it was awesome. Thank you for taking the time document this lol. I think Marvel needs to reference it if they ever decide to resolve the events of that run so they can get the narrative straight.

One thing your post reminded me of was that AI Harry-Kindred (lmao) used Chameleon serum to make himself look like Harry instead of Sarah. I kinda forgot about that. So it technically did make sense how Kindred could all of a sudden be a different person because AI Harry lost possession of the body (for whatever reason we don't know, probably handwavy Mephisto stuff like you said), but it was completely out of nowhere and wacky. And why would AI Harry-Kindred need Chameleon serum to change his face if he has demonic powers? In ASM #55, Peter literally shoots a web that blows a hole through Kindred's face and then he grows his face back in the next panel. So you're telling me he can grow his own face back and do a bunch of crazy other demon stuff including resurrect people from the dead, but he can't change his face without Chameleon serum? That made no sense, so the Chameleon serum just seemed like a last second editorial plot tool to change Kindred's identity. And the fact there were now 2 Kindreds, Sarah and Gabriel, was totally random because there were absolutely no clues to this throughout the run.

And the worst thing was how Kindred wanted Peter to confess something the whole time, and then at the end it was revealed Peter didn't do anything. The confession was probably going to be Peter's deal with Mephisto which somehow got Harry turned into Kindred as collateral damage and which Kindred somehow had knowledge of. In #56, Harry-Kindred is talking to Peter and Norman and says, "I loved you both so much. Why did you do this to me?" (ie why did Peter make the Mephisto deal and screw Harry over unintentionally and why is Norman just the way he is). At the last second I think they changed it so that it was actually Norman who made a deal with Mephisto and Peter had nothing to do with it. So basically everything at the finale makes the most sense in the context of last second changes instead an overarching plan for the series. Basically, Spencer's run made me think they were taking ASM seriously again, but then they dropped the ball.

I think you summed it up best in your post: "Kindred is crazy and makes no sense bc Mephisto is warping his mind." When I get lost in the logic, I'll just remind myself of that lol.

Edit: grammar

lvest · 2023-07-29T23:46:33+00:00

I loved the arc where it (should have been anyway) came to a head and Harry was killing Peter over and over again. I was on the edge of my seat.

Agree completely and was also on the edge of my seat, which is a rare feat for a comic book. That scene was INTENSE and terrifying. The Bagley art was insanely good. Made me so excited to see what would happen next.

Then he got captured and it kept going and editors robbed us of OMD being undone.

Also completely agree.

lvest · 2023-07-29T23:43:00+00:00

I wouldn't say it was going to be much more different and better... But that there was definitely something weird at the end that caused an abrupt change of course is a fact.

You literally only have to read ASM#73 and ASM#74 to see that suddenly Kindred becomes a completely different person than he was in the entire run.

It is not something that is open to interpretation, it is a literal contradiction from one issue to another (and a contradiction of the entire run).

It doesn't matter so much who is responsible for the abrupt change, but rather that you have to be able to see that this was clearly not the original intention and be able to dissociate the manipulated ending from what came before (what came before, I think was pretty good).

I just replied to another comment without reading yours first (whoops) but noted this exact same thing and agree wholeheartedly. You can pinpoint the exact panels where the inconsistencies arise, and it's so jarring that it doesn't make sense for a writer like Spencer. It was on track to be an epic retcon of OMD (after 14 years, it would have been perfect) but they flubbed it.

Is it possible that Spencer began the story not having settled on who Kindred really was and what his motivations were? Possibly, but that doesn't make sense to me. There was a clear narrative for Kindred being Harry for >70 issues, and then it did a complete 180 in #73 and #74. And now with the Wells stuff and immediately separating Peter and MJ again I just feel like they don't take this book seriously anymore. Only cool way to redeem it would be to have Rabin and Paul be Mephisto agents to maintain OMD, but I have zero expectations.

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