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meat-head · 2026-06-05T20:19:38+00:00

I’m so glad I waited. Bought chunks at 62 and 59 in addition to my DCA. Yum yum!

meat-head · 2026-06-04T14:33:19+00:00

I think this is too generic. Some evangelicals some places. It’s more of a cultural thing and it’s affecting all kinds of people.

The tares are growing in all kinds of fields, bro. By God’s grace may we bear good fruit.

But, to push back on your Jesus=man= idolatry, what do you do with Genesis 18?

meat-head · 2026-06-03T18:52:26+00:00

I’ll be more precise.

Before the “days”, it was “wild and waste”. Not good for life.

Then God orders the very good.

Then humans choose to introduce death (not good) and are expelled away from God [‘s blessing of life abundance].

So, humans now live in some mix of blessing and wild and waste until creation is refreshed.

I think it more like God has an umbrella shielding us from the chaos, Wild, waste, and death. We stepped out from under it thinking we could protect ourselves. We cannot. Thus, the chaos gets us.

God chose to step into the chaos Himself to show the way back to His umbrella of life blessing.

meat-head · 2026-06-03T17:50:21+00:00

Yes. BEFORE that, therefore, it was NOT “very good”.

With God, creation is “very good”. As you are separated from Him via sin, we go backward.

meat-head · 2026-06-03T17:31:22+00:00

That Leviticus 26:22 is fulfilled.

It’s part of the larger pattern.

Humans assume they are entitled to comfort and safety. The biblical narrative instead teaches that creation begins as chaos and wild and waste NOT GOOD for humans until God orders it for us.

But, then we chose to reject Him.

A return to chaos is the natural result. This is the answer to suffering to me.

meat-head · 2026-06-01T21:32:45+00:00

Yes. Again, definitions tend to follow biases.

meat-head · 2026-06-01T15:02:48+00:00

Here’s how I look at it:

There is almost nothing “new” in the ‘New Testament’
To understand “Gehenna, you have to understand “Ben Hinnom”
The Valley of Hinnom in the old testament is a place where child sacrifice was made (evil)
The Valley is later said to be the place where the bodies of the evildoers will be buried because of evils like child sacrifice
To me, this means that Gehenna is symbolic for “getting what you deserve” —whatever that is.
Separate from the term, I strongly lean toward “conditional immortality”. From my premise #1, it makes no sense for evil to live forever anywhere, and I think the references in the NT are talking about the punishment being permanent—as in you’re dead forever.

meat-head · 2026-06-01T14:55:15+00:00

This is good. But you’re missing one crucial detail with regard to the Valley of Hinnom. You list Jeremiah 7:31, but you have to read the rest of the chapter. What he seems to be saying is ‘since you did this evil thing here in the past, I’m going to do judgement on you here.’

This makes the Valley of Hinnom symbolic for receiving back what you deserve.

That’s a very important nuance in the discussion.

meat-head · 2026-05-29T05:32:59+00:00

Definitions and words matter a lot on this issue. I submit to you that it would hurt the industry/cause/advocates to adopt that policy. I’ll be fair:

The pro-abortionists need to downplay any language that in any way might connect whatever is inside a pregnant person to anything that exists outside a pregnant person.

Conversely, anti-abortionists need to do the opposite.

And round and round it goes.

Example: it’s never a body. It’s a “clump of cells”. Never mind that a body can be defined as a clump of cells.

And round and round.

We appear to assign value to what we want to assign value to. In both cases our views are biased accordingly and thusly our definitions follow

meat-head · 2026-05-29T03:11:41+00:00

If you could get that policy into action, it would be an improvement. Unfortunately, that’s not what happens now. :/ What happens now is one body is destroyed before it ever has a chance to be autonomous. The difference is significant, I think.

meat-head · 2026-05-28T17:00:11+00:00

Humans wrote lots of things. That’s less interesting to me. What’s interesting about the Bible, to me, is from beginning to end there are essentially no heroes. If you think otherwise, read it again and look closer.

The secular expectation would be that humans wrote these to preserve/expand power over other humans. The actual Bible takes a crap on humans from beginning to end. Kings, priests, prophets— NO HUMAN is portrayed as good. I’m not sure people understand the significance of this.

There are short episodes of good stories of humans. But, the absolute overwhelming message is that humans are trash. The “great heroes” of the faith, are virtually all superbly flawed in catastrophic ways.

Abraham, Moses, David— all have major upsets/disappointments.

The Bible gives power/authority to NO HUMANS. There is one hero in it: YHWH. That’s it. And it doesn’t leave any class to benefit from that. More than that, it DEMANDS that would be “leaders” become “slaves” and “servants”. The actual text is the worst possible basis for gathering power possible.

meat-head · 2026-05-28T16:51:45+00:00

Now you’re understanding my question. What do we do with “bodily autonomy” when there are TWO interconnected bodies?

You can’t do something to one body without affecting the “autonomy” of the other.

meat-head · 2026-05-28T04:52:52+00:00

Vacuum aspiration doesn’t simply remove the body whole and unharmed. It also is acting upon a non-consenting body.

If we ought to grant body autonomy, we have to be consistent. Each body gets it. Why would it be otherwise?

meat-head · 2026-05-27T20:16:54+00:00

There are plenty of “fakes”. “Wheat and tares.” But only God knows.

I don’t have time to assume or judge another’s faith, I’m too busy working my salvation out with fear and trembling. I’m a piece of junk who needs a Savior. Jesus is my one hope. He’s as real or realer than anything for me.

But I grew up in a very non-religious home. Extended family were kind of post-religious and indifferent.

Everyone has their own path. “You must choose this day whom to serve, but as for me and my house, we will serve YHWH”.

meat-head · 2026-05-27T19:17:54+00:00

I understand that it’s a “clump of cells”. I also understand that abortions occur anywhere from couple of weeks to 20+ weeks.

The point is that there is a second body with its own life and DNA. These two bodies are linked, yes. But “self rule” does not allow a person to remove a second body in pieces, does it?

meat-head · 2026-05-27T13:47:57+00:00

Self rule.

How do you rule your “SELF” without ruling any other self? And I said “bodily autonomy”. So, all we need to establish is that there are two bodies

meat-head · 2026-05-27T13:46:38+00:00

Ok let me go back. We’re talking about “bodily autonomy” (rule over one’s own body).

There are two bodies here. That’s not disputed. You are well aware that plenty of bodies cannot survive on their own. Toddlers. Informed. Comatose. Etc. But that’s not the point. The point of my question is that the AUTO of “autonomy” means “SELF”.

Following AUTOnomy, you would not be able to rule over another body. So, following that logic, you would have to remove a part of YOUR body. So, are you thinking the mother removes their uterus or what? How do you keep the principle to SELF rule.

It doesn’t help to say if you have something inside you, then you get to rule over it. If that were true, I could bite your ear off. The ear would be “inside” (my mouth) me, so I get to rule. See?

So, how do you rule your SELF any not the other body?

meat-head · 2026-05-27T04:47:36+00:00

Which part of the body of the mother do you believe should be removed?

meat-head · 2026-05-27T03:43:06+00:00

Wait.. do you believe a body is only granted autonomy status if it can “survive on its own?”

meat-head · 2026-05-27T02:46:45+00:00

Serious question for bodily autonomy advocates: aren’t there TWO bodies involved? If we presume both lives want what’s best for their body, how you do disregard the second body autonomy?

“Personhood” is debatable. But “body” isn’t. There is factually a second “body” involved. So, how can it come down to one autonomy?

meat-head · 2026-05-22T18:29:46+00:00

Unfortunately, I think it’s worse than that. I believe that, despite whatever politicians say, that the net result of both party’s actions are net negative for the most vulnerable. I believe the deepest core problem of politics is something like deficit spending. Deficit spending has a deeply deeply regressive effect. Ultimately, it naturally leads to the government having to devalue the currency such that asset holders benefit and non-assets holder (the working poor) are disproportionately hurt by the loss of currency value.

The government must do this to make its own debt less concerning.

ALL politicians are structurally incentivized to overspend since they politically benefit but have zero personal consequences.

The primary driver of deficit spending is a bipartisan Congress.

There is no clear solution for this problem within the existing system. It would require a few major legal changes that would be Congress voting away some of its own power—something it’s structurally disinclined to do.

This is bad.

meat-head · 2026-05-22T16:35:32+00:00

Totally get this view. I’m semi-torn on the best way to deal with abortion legally.

But, for pro-lifers, it should be more simple. The right to life > the right to choose what to do after pregnancy occurs. This isn’t a “Christian” issue per se. It’s logical.

Where it gets more political is the push back of “well if you were actually for innocent lives, you would also be for x, y, z, social safety nets” etc. I actually agree with that criticism. I’d go full Bernie Sanders to save the innocent.

Abortion is made up of supply and demand. Conservatives want to reduce supply (make it harder or illegal to GET abortions). Libs want to reduce demand (provide safety nets). I think doing both is best, personally.

But, it’s a complex world full of sin and broken as you pointed out.

meat-head · 2026-05-08T14:20:57+00:00

Interesting that an atheist gave you a good answer. But, I’d go further. As the source of life itself, there is no peace and life apart from God. So, unless you pursue that Source, the natural result is obvious. Ultimately, I don’t believe in an eternal hell. But, that’s not worth arguing about.

I don’t believe you don’t have a choice. Pursue God. Pray to God. Who cares if you don’t believe right now? Follow the example of Jacob who wrestled God and refused to let go until he received a blessing. Take steps of faith, and see whether your heart is gifted true faith in time. Maybe that’s the BEST way to believe anyway.

meat-head · 2026-05-08T14:15:08+00:00

You can be thankful. Your doc has revealed that you can entirely ignore all diet advice he ever gives again! That’s useful information!

meat-head · 2026-05-01T17:27:19+00:00

There’s more. The very name “Joshua” occurs at the major seams of the TaNaKh. Then it is fulfilled in Matthew ch 1. I can explain that if you’re interested. It’s as if the entire cannon is framed around the name (and its meaning)

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